From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 1 13:32:17 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46815 for opro ; Wed, 01 Oct 97 13:32:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875695078:10:18071:40; Wed, 01 Oct 97 09:37:58 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ak1017411; 1 Oct 97 9:37 BST From:("Sveinung W. Tengelsen") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 08:51:58 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971001.085158.77@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:56:31 +0000 (GMT+1) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 30 Sep, Alan Muscat wrote: > In message <19970929.092843.98@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > Providing direct PS output from OPro would be fairly easy, but I'd > > need convincing there was enough demand. And of course it might not be > > the correct 'subset'. > > Well, I cast my vote for PS output from OPro, as I work with postscript > files. Easily generated by "print to file" through the Acorn PS printerdriver... 8) (Unless I've misunderstood the issue completely; you're not talking about *EPS*, are you?) -- Regards, Sveinung W. 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To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 1 13:32:20 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46816 for opro ; Wed, 01 Oct 97 13:32:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875695078:09:28557:39; Wed, 01 Oct 97 09:37:58 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ae1017411; 1 Oct 97 9:37 BST From:("Peter Daniel") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 08:52:39 +0100 Organization: University of Salford Subject: Applet idea To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971001.085239.58@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:21:49 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Would anyone like to write an applet to read and maybe even save Micro$oft Word files? To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 1 13:32:25 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46818 for opro ; Wed, 01 Oct 97 13:32:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875695140:10:18192:143; Wed, 01 Oct 97 09:39:00 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id am1017411; 1 Oct 97 9:38 BST From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 08:52:58 +0100 Organization: Subject: Gaps between buttons on button bar To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971001.085258.03@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:19:03 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c How can I put big gaps between buttons on the button bar? I'll explain. I want to have two rows of buttons, but have then grouped under each other in sensible order. So, I may have a block of five on the top and four below. The next block of buttons will have the bottom row to the left of the top, but I would like them to be in line. It's not always possible to group buttons top and bottom so that they line up sensibly - putting large gaps would make it easy. Can it be done by altering the macro file manually? Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 1 13:32:31 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46820 for opro ; Wed, 01 Oct 97 13:32:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875695166:09:29105:39; Wed, 01 Oct 97 09:39:26 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ai1017411; 1 Oct 97 9:39 BST From:(Rene Turner) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 08:53:37 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: HTML To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971001.085337.87@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 02:34:55 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 30 Sep, Colin Thompson wrote: > Just a couple of ideas for anyone dying to write Applets but without an > idea. >=20 > 1 - Is anyone working on an Applet for HTML stuff? (Ideally with links= to > HTMLEdit - is it possible?) >=20 > 2 - Is anyone working on an Applet that could be linked to Marcel so we > coyld use it instead of !Edit when composing emails?=20 >=20 >=20 > Colin Thompson >=20 > FUTURE EDEN - Coming soon to a computer near you. Hey what a great set of Applets.... Good Idea Colin...... (PS Psion link too ) Ren=E9 Turner Peace and Loving Kindness to you and Yours Give us full pentium power Scotty. Aye Capt'n, engaging reverse NOW --=20 Peace & Love to You and Yours... Ren=E9 Turner ... Mailto:renet@wave.co.nz=20 H.I.S. NZ http://www.nzdances.co.nz/hosted/brain/ =20 Writing about music is like dancing about architecture. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 1 13:32:37 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46822 for opro ; Wed, 01 Oct 97 13:32:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875695227:10:18975:39; Wed, 01 Oct 97 09:40:27 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ap1017411; 1 Oct 97 9:40 BST From:("James White (Acorns in Spain)") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 08:53:57 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: HTML To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971001.085357.12@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:27:54 +0200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 30 Sep, Colin Thompson wrote: > Just a couple of ideas for anyone dying to write Applets but without an > idea. > > 1 - Is anyone working on an Applet for HTML stuff? (Ideally with links= to > HTMLEdit - is it possible?) > > 2 - Is anyone working on an Applet that could be linked to Marcel so we > coyld use it instead of !Edit when composing emails? You really must discover Zap. I don't know how anyone can work an Acorn without it. Get the desktop Boot file to load it every switch-on, and it'll form the foundation of your everyday life in RiscOS and DOS. JW --=20 ---------------------------------------------- Sibelius en Spain: Mailto:jacorn@ibm.net En Andalucia: Mailto:pmoya@valnet.es Qui=E9n sigue? ---------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 1 13:32:43 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46824 for opro ; Wed, 01 Oct 97 13:32:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875695302:09:29827:41; Wed, 01 Oct 97 09:41:42 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ar1017411; 1 Oct 97 9:41 BST From:(Nick Kaijaks) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 08:51:38 +0100 Organization: Subject: Spot colours and imported drawfiles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971001.085138.67@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:25:58 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I've had real trouble with imported graphics in OPro lately. Does the following sound familiar to anyone, and is there a solution? My document uses two spot colours: 100% red and 100% black and tints thereof. Viewing separations this is fine. If I import drawfiles using the same two colours, they separate into process colours. Obviously the draw format doesn't allow for definition of spot colours. Can't OPro make an educated guess? Am I missing something obvious? Is there another way around this? The only idea I can come up with now I'm typing this is is to import the drawfile to ArtWorks and define the colours as spots in there. Will that work? Cheers, Nick -- nick kaijaks >> proprietor >> pinxit design >> putting the solution together the budget sensitive graphic design consultancy for internet and print media http://www.warwick.ac.uk/Nick.Kaijaks/ mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 1 13:32:46 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46825 for opro ; Wed, 01 Oct 97 13:32:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875695362:14:11961:39; Wed, 01 Oct 97 09:42:42 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id af1017411; 1 Oct 97 9:42 BST From:(Alan Esplen) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 08:52:18 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Postscript To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971001.085218.74@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:04:45 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 29 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > I suppose one theoretical solution is to find a program which can take in > any PS file, but can export using a subset - a bit like ArtWorks can do > with it's different EPS formats. > > Providing direct PS output from OPro would be fairly easy, but I'd > need convincing there was enough demand. And of course it might not be > the correct 'subset'. Is this not what the world of Acorn publishing has been waiting for years! The amount of jobs over the years I have had to do in Artworks just to be compatible with AI and Quark. To be able to do this would mean a huge boost to Acorn in the world of publishing. Yes please add me to the list. /-----------\ /---\ /-----------\ /---\ /------\ | --- | | | | --- | | /--- | | |---| | | | | |---| | | | | | | |---| | | |----\ | |---| | | | | | \---/ \---/ \--------/ \---/ \---/ \---/ \---/ A L A N E S P L E N G R A P H I C D E S I G N Check out Anne & Alans home page http://www.btinternet.com/~a.esplen email: a.esplen@btinternet.com To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 1 13:32:58 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46829 for opro ; Wed, 01 Oct 97 13:32:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875695433:14:12255:49; Wed, 01 Oct 97 09:43:53 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id as1017411; 1 Oct 97 9:43 BST From:("James White (Acorns in Spain)") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 08:54:16 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: PS output To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971001.085416.51@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:56:26 +0200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 30 Sep, Richard Craddock wrote: > On Mon 29 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > I suppose one theoretical solution is to find a program which can tak= e in > > any PS file, but can export using a subset - a bit like ArtWorks can = do > > with it's different EPS formats. > > > > Providing direct PS output from OPro would be fairly easy, but I'd > > need convincing there was enough demand. And of course it might not b= e > > the correct 'subset'. > The demand will be there if the capability is there. A chicken and egg situation. The demand doesn't exist because the failures in the past have been too embarrassing. This time, with the Pilling in charge, the PostScript output would be recognised by the particular machine that it was intended for. Not, as with the Acorn Linotronic driver, in strips that the Linotronic doesn't understand. > Add me to the list of Ayes for direct PS output. And this crowd. JW --=20 ------------------------------------------------ Sibelius en Spain: Mailto:jacorn@ibm.net En Andalucia: Mailto:pmoya@valnet.es Qui=E9n sigue? ------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 1 13:33:01 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46830 for opro ; Wed, 01 Oct 97 13:33:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875695465:10:20483:60; Wed, 01 Oct 97 09:44:25 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id au1017411; 1 Oct 97 9:44 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 08:53:17 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971001.085317.23@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 97 14:44:00 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From:(Colin Thompson) >1 - Is anyone working on an Applet for HTML stuff? (Ideally with links to >HTMLEdit - is it possible?) There are already some OPro HTML things about. A full spec. HTML importer would be a good idea though. >2 - Is anyone working on an Applet that could be linked to Marcel so we >coyld use it instead of !Edit when composing emails? Presumeably that amounts to nominating OPro as your standard editor for text files? Unless there's some sneeky way of registering just with Marcel. So what would you do? fiddle things so that running a text file ends up with it in OPro. Then provide a routine which allows the text in a document to be saved back where the original text came from... From:(Alan Muscat) >Well, I cast my vote for PS output from OPro, as I work with postscript >files. >Well, I cast my vote for PS output from OPro, as I work with postscript >files. Vote early, vote often... From:(Richard Craddock) >No more fiddling with the Acorn PoScript driver for outputting >films/proofs from Mac bureaux, and the possibility of transferring >finished layouts to Quark or back into one's own document? Do you (or does anyone) have a clear idea of what would make "good PS" files for these purposes? The problem is that OPro might generate just as pathological PS as the Acorn drivers do... David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 1 13:33:09 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46832 for opro ; Wed, 01 Oct 97 13:33:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875695540:09:01378:42; Wed, 01 Oct 97 09:45:40 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aw1017411; 1 Oct 97 9:45 BST From:(Mr J P Kerslake) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 08:54:36 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: PS output To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971001.085436.02@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 97 17:47:21 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 30 13:47:51 1997 From: Richard Craddock Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:12:55 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: PS output To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:59:05 +0100 (BST) X-Maillist: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Content-Length: 1007 On Mon 29 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > I suppose one theoretical solution is to find a program which can take in > any PS file, but can export using a subset - a bit like ArtWorks can do > with it's different EPS formats. > > Providing direct PS output from OPro would be fairly easy, but I'd > need convincing there was enough demand. And of course it might not be > the correct 'subset'. Add me to the list of Ayes for direct PS output. No more fiddling with the Acorn PoScript driver for outputting films/proofs from Mac bureaux, and the possibility of transferring finished layouts to Quark or back into one's own document? -- _____________________________________________ Acorn RiscPC StrongARM Richard Craddock r.craddock@arcadis.be 46 rue de Linthout 1030 Bruxelles Belgium Tel/Fax. +32 2 736 8783 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l ----- End Included Message ----- I would like PS INPUT into OP. I have lots of PS files at work that take ages to convert to sprites. Then I can not edit text. John Percy Kerslake, kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Pager 01426-235878, dysliexia rules k o Sorry My spell checker will not work with my mail package I am writing this at work on a sun sparc station To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 2 13:51:26 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46898 for opro ; Thu, 02 Oct 97 13:51:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875781298:06:02462:39; Thu, 02 Oct 97 09:34:58 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0601947; 2 Oct 97 9:34 BST From:(Alan Muir) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 08:58:04 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applet idea To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971002.085804.01@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 12:14:38 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In on Wed 01 Oct, Peter Daniel wrote: > Would anyone like to write an applet to read and maybe even save > Micro$oft Word files? > ** Yes please ** -- Alan Muir amuir@dircon.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 2 13:51:38 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46905 for opro ; Thu, 02 Oct 97 13:51:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875781748:10:25405:42; Thu, 02 Oct 97 09:42:28 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1025033; 2 Oct 97 9:42 BST From:(Colin Thompson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 09:00:13 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971002.090013.47@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 22:33:38 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Wed 01 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > > From:(Colin Thompson) > > >1 - Is anyone working on an Applet for HTML stuff? (Ideally with links to > >HTMLEdit - is it possible?) > > There are already some OPro HTML things about. A full spec. HTML importer would > be a good idea though. Is this stuff available and if so where from, please? Colin Thompson FUTURE EDEN - Coming soon to a computer near you. Email . . . colinet@atlantis.aust.com Homepage . http://www.atlantis.aust.com/~colinet To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 2 13:51:52 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46907 for opro ; Thu, 02 Oct 97 13:51:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875781788:10:25622:42; Thu, 02 Oct 97 09:43:08 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ad1025033; 2 Oct 97 9:42 BST From:(Keith Hopper) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 09:00:52 +0100 Organization: City Desk Subject: Re: PS output To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971002.090052.72@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 12:56:43 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Greetings, A number of peopls have indicated interest in PS output from Ovation Pro by saying something like - > Add me to the list of Ayes for direct PS output. I would only assent to that IF there were an option to have Postscript 1 or Postscript 2!! I deal with bureaux some of whom have one and some the other -- only!! Keith To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 2 13:51:58 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46909 for opro ; Thu, 02 Oct 97 13:51:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875781841:10:25961:47; Thu, 02 Oct 97 09:44:01 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id af1025033; 2 Oct 97 9:43 BST From:("James White (Acorns in Spain)") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 09:01:11 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971002.090111.88@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 01:14:57 +0200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 30 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > etc. etc. Whilst on the subject of output, does anybody know what the Printer Driver situation is re the new Epson printers, especially the new A3 jobs like the EPL-9000? I read somewhere that Epson themselves are going to supply RiscOS drivers. Is this true? JW -- ---------------------------------------------- Sibelius en Spain: Mailto:jacorn@ibm.net En Andalucia: Mailto:pmoya@valnet.es ---------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 2 13:52:03 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46911 for opro ; Thu, 02 Oct 97 13:52:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875781870:10:26113:41; Thu, 02 Oct 97 09:44:30 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ah1025033; 2 Oct 97 9:44 BST From:(Rupert Thompson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 08:58:49 +0100 Organization: Subject: EndNotes 2.70 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971002.085849.48@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 17:44:14 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Version 2.70 of !EndNotes has been posted to my website at http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk. I had originally released version 2.60 (with better delete handling) without withdrawing the previous version, because I hadn't tested it properly. Lots of people downloaded 2.60, and noone has complained about it. I've therefore withdrawn 2.50. Version 2.70 adds a feature to move a selected block of text off into an endnote. It is otherwise identical to 2.60. It should appear at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/4423 shortly. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 2 13:52:09 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46913 for opro ; Thu, 02 Oct 97 13:52:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875781923:10:26374:46; Thu, 02 Oct 97 09:45:23 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aj1025033; 2 Oct 97 9:45 BST From:(Alan Muscat) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 08:59:30 +0100 Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971002.085930.78@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 20:34:36 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971001.085158.77@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On Tue 30 Sep, Alan Muscat wrote: > > In message <19970929.092843.98@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > > > > Providing direct PS output from OPro would be fairly easy, but I'd > > > need convincing there was enough demand. And of course it might not be > > > the correct 'subset'. > > > > Well, I cast my vote for PS output from OPro, as I work with postscript > > files. > > Easily generated by "print to file" through the Acorn PS printerdriver... 8) > (Unless I've misunderstood the issue completely; you're not talking about > *EPS*, are you?) What I, and (I think) others are saying is that you frequently get problems with the PS printerdriver. I've had some bizarre results. Although I must admit I've never been able to fully ascertain whether the problem has been the printerdriver or the output device at the bureau. As Artworks does, OPro could improve on the printerdriver and offer other PS options, including EPS. Alan Muscat -- **************Grapevine Digital Arts********** To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 2 13:52:15 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46915 for opro ; Thu, 02 Oct 97 13:52:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875781949:10:26493:42; Thu, 02 Oct 97 09:45:49 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id al1025033; 2 Oct 97 9:45 BST From:(Colin Thompson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 08:59:52 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Gaps between buttons on button bar To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971002.085952.47@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 22:32:02 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Wed 01 Oct, Ray Dawson wrote: > > How can I put big gaps between buttons on the button bar? > > I'll explain. I want to have two rows of buttons, but have then grouped > under each other in sensible order. So, I may have a block of five on the > top and four below. The next block of buttons will have the bottom row to > the left of the top, but I would like them to be in line. > > It's not always possible to group buttons top and bottom so that they line > up sensibly - putting large gaps would make it easy. Can it be done by > altering the macro file manually? How about making a 'gap' sprite with an empty macro? You can't make an completely invisible sprite because it will have the 3D border but you could either make an empy one filled with the same txture as the background or one with something like a bullet in it. Well, it's the best I can think of at this time of night. Colin Thompson FUTURE EDEN - Coming soon to a computer near you. Email . . . colinet@atlantis.aust.com Homepage . http://www.atlantis.aust.com/~colinet To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 2 13:52:22 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46917 for opro ; Thu, 02 Oct 97 13:52:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875781991:10:26707:40; Thu, 02 Oct 97 09:46:31 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id an1025033; 2 Oct 97 9:46 BST From: martinv@ucs.de Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 09:00:32 +0100 Organization: Subject: PostScript(TM) printing for the adveturous To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971002.090032.64@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: 30 Sep 1997 11:59:50 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Hello, regarding the various problems with PostScript(TM) output I'd like to point out that I use (with varying degrees of success) a program called still.ps by Glenn Reid which I picked from usenet back in 1989. It is a piece of PoScript code that can be used to clean-up PoScript files; from its header: % OVERVIEW: % This is a meta-utility program that "distills" any PostScript % language program into a simpler one. The resulting program % will print exactly the same page as the original, but all % unnecessary execution overhead is eliminated and the file is % clean, uniform, and fast. its output is (if You happen to run it successfully): % KNOWN COMPATIBLE PROGRAMS % The following applications have been tested (with some version of the % driver, at least), successfully: % Lotus Manuscript % Macintosh "LaserPrep" (all documents, I think) % DEC's VaxDocument % Scribe % PageMaker % Frame Maker % Adobe Illustrator % TranScript (ditroff and enscript drivers) to use it You will need to interact with the PoScript-Interpreter directly and You will need a "full" interpreter. I myself have used this program together with RiScript and GhostScript on an Acorn machine to prepare illustrations for importing them into ArtWorks. If You can, try to use ShowPS by CC. (There must be some 2 other PS-Interpreters for RISC OS which I could not get hold of) This said I have to admit that quite a lot of ps-files will require You to employ an interpreter like NextStep's Display-PostScript to get more than just an error. Anyone interested in this piece of code might like to mail me under "mvethake@ucs.de", but be warned my version is probably completely out of date. Have fun, have PostScript... Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 2 13:52:33 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46920 for opro ; Thu, 02 Oct 97 13:52:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875782062:09:09245:40; Thu, 02 Oct 97 09:47:42 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ap1025033; 2 Oct 97 9:47 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 08:59:08 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971002.085908.75@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 97 15:17:20 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From:("Sveinung W. Tengelsen") >Easily generated by "print to file" through the Acorn PS printerdriver... 8) >(Unless I've misunderstood the issue completely; you're not talking about >*EPS*, are you?) From:("James White (Acorns in Spain)") >Not, as with the Acorn Linotronic driver, in strips that the Linotronic >doesn't understand. Presumeably the only thing which makes EPS any different to PS, is the optional preview image, other than that we're back to the dreaded 'subsets'. The second point reminds me that one reason for the ugliness of Acorns PS is the need to support RISC OS features which are not part of PS e.g. sprites with masks lead to printing out strips. This is an opportunity to note the release of David Pilling's scanning software 1.08. This will now save images as EPS files with an optional TIFF preview and optionaly JPEG'd main image. EPS files with JPEG'd data do give considerable savings in time and space. For now this is only of use for professional printing of grey scale documents (IM is limited to RGB images at the moment). It's also only of use to users of Impression. Work is under way on an OPro EPS applet which can use such files. In the meantime you can load JPEG's direct into OPro, and such images will come out of Acorns PS driver as JPEG'd data, with the above advantages. However there are the usual constraints on rotating JPEG's. Finally JPEG's are only supported in PS level 2. From:(Ray Dawson) >How can I put big gaps between buttons on the button bar? OPro only supports no gap, and the standard half a button gap. Probably the best that is on offer is a blank button. From:(Nick Kaijaks) >My document uses two spot colours: 100% red and 100% black and tints thereof. >Viewing separations this is fine. If I import drawfiles using the same >two colours, they separate into process colours. Obviously the draw format >doesn't allow for definition of spot colours. Can't OPro make an educated >guess? Am I missing something obvious? Is there another way around this? I was going to go on about the dangers of educated guesses, but I supppose that I could add a feature that made it use the closest colour. I believe that the usual trick in this situation is to use (say) Cyan as a pseudo spot colour. That way you get your educated guess. You can always redefine the colour of Cyan so that things look right. >The only idea I can come up with now I'm typing this is is to import the >drawfile to ArtWorks and define the colours as spots in there. Will that >work? Yes this will work but (weasel words) only in OPro 2.47. This is still standing on the launch pad whilst Beebug consult with the practitioners of the black arts of copy protection, about the best way to stop people using it. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 2 13:52:38 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46921 for opro ; Thu, 02 Oct 97 13:52:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875782094:09:09479:42; Thu, 02 Oct 97 09:48:14 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ar1025033; 2 Oct 97 9:47 BST From:(Alan Adams +44 1327 356463) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 08:58:26 +0100 Organization: Subject: Problems with standoff curves To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971002.085826.67@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 16:37:55 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Problems with standoff curves created from Draw files. The creation of standoff curves round draw files has some interesting characteristics. 1 Lines with a width of less than 1 point seem to be ignored. 2 Closed curves normally have a standoff curve on the outside. However if the curve gets too small the standoff curve moves to the inside, and at smaller sizes still, the standoff curve consists of a single vertex. 3 I have not found it possible to delete standoff curves. However it is possible to delete vertices individually. When, after deleting vertices until the curve has three left, an attempt is made to delete one of the remainder, either the delete command is ignored, or Ovation Pro freezes up, and requires ALT-BREAK. 4 Under some circumstances (which I have been unable to demonstrate simply) the text flow seems to be trapped inside a standoff curve. Characters are displayed inside a small region of the page, and overlapping. The characters are not always taken from lines which are nearby. I discovered this effect when I wanted to put a line drawn map on to the page. I used a section of the British coastline taken from EarthMap. This program allows the export as a Draw files. The coastline and features have a very large number of points, and the ends of some of the lines created standoff curves with several hundred vertices close together. These areas are where the trapped text effect was seen. It was in attempting to delete most of the vertices that I discovered the method of crashing Ovation Pro. A simple demonstration can be set up as follows. Create a draw file with a vertical line about 50mm long. This is to ensure that OPro scales the graphic correctly. Create a circle about an 25mm in diameter to one side of it. Make sure the line width is set to one (point). Copy the circle, and reduce the size to 10mm. Copy the circle again and reduce the size to about 3mm. Create an OPro page with a graphic frame about 50mm high, overlaying text. Create a standoff curve with 3mm standoff. (The value is not critical, but it's easier to see. Using a smaller standoff the effects show up with smaller features.) The text will flow correctly around the line and the large circle. The text will overlap the medium circle, and will not flow round any part of the small circle. A click on the edit path button will show a reasonable standoff curve for the line and the large circle, a curve inside the medium circle, and a point in the small circle. To get a really confused standoff curve, add a capital W to the draw file, using Trinity font, and size 100 points. Convert it to a path. Drop this graphic into the frame, set standoff to picture, 3mm, and examine the curve. Part of the path will be about 30mm below the lowest point of the letter, and the text flow will be very strange. Changing the error choice from the default 2 to values as high as 100 doesn't make much difference either. ---------------------------- All this is not intended to be critical of OPro - after all, if I didn't like the program, I wouldn't be bothering to send this in. However it would be nice if this useful feature could be improved. An easy way to delete a standoff curve completely would be a good start. A way to specify the "accuracy" of the curve would be another. By this, I mean a way to tell OPro that you want a smaller or larger number of points on the curve, which might avoid some of the "knots" it generated on the map sample I used. A way to change a selection of points on the standoff curve into a single segment might be an alternative. As an alternative approach, would it be possible to use Draw to do the editing? The functions are similar (and I DO like the way OPro allows use of Select, instead of requiring Adjust)but Draw is a bit more flexible. For example, when a segment is deleted in Draw, the next one becomes selected, making it easier to simplify a curve. -- Alan Adams To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 3 13:47:41 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46996 for opro ; Fri, 03 Oct 97 13:47:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875866305:06:03430:40; Fri, 03 Oct 97 09:11:45 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ae1214059; 3 Oct 97 9:11 BST From:(Carl Cepurneek) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 08:56:18 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re:PS output To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971003.085618.81@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:52:16 +0930 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c David wrote: >Providing direct PS output from OPro would be fairly easy, but I'd >need convincing ... How does the offer of a kneecap reconstruction sound? Really yes, please, for PS. cpc To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 3 13:47:54 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46998 for opro ; Fri, 03 Oct 97 13:47:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875866362:06:03839:46; Fri, 03 Oct 97 09:12:42 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ah1214059; 3 Oct 97 9:12 BST From:(Rupert Thompson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 08:54:10 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applet idea To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971003.085410.58@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 10:06:30 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Wed 01 Oct, Peter Daniel wrote: > Would anyone like to write an applet to read and maybe even save > Micro$oft Word files? That would be so useful, I'd even volunteer to have a go, if someone could explain how to get hold of the Word file formats. I've messed around with the MS Developers Network Online whatsit and not managed to get a single thing from it. TeX import/export might be useful, too. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 3 13:48:01 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46999 for opro ; Fri, 03 Oct 97 13:47:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875866365:12:14430:41; Fri, 03 Oct 97 09:12:45 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aj1214059; 3 Oct 97 9:12 BST From:(Xavier deMonneron) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 08:54:32 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applet idea To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971003.085432.35@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:06:29 +0200 (MET DST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Thu, 2 Oct 1997, Alan Muir wrote: > > > In on Wed 01 Oct, Peter Daniel wrote: > > Would anyone like to write an applet to read and maybe even save > > Micro$oft Word files? > > > > ** Yes please ** > Oh yes, please... -- Xavier de Monneron, alias AsteRISC, member of ARMada and CPV Acorn RiscPC 600 24 MO/2 GO, SCSI2, 17", CDx4, 486sx33, RiscOS 3.5 Xavier.deMonneron@dassault-elec.fr -------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 3 13:48:13 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47001 for opro ; Fri, 03 Oct 97 13:48:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875866397:06:04116:42; Fri, 03 Oct 97 09:13:17 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id al1214059; 3 Oct 97 9:13 BST From:(Carl Cepurneek) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 08:55:56 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applet idea To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971003.085556.94@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:39:04 +0930 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c >Would anyone like to write an applet to read and maybe even save >Micro$oft Word files? NO!... meaning I'd not like to >write< such an applet, but would dearly welcome its construction by some clever person. Would be handy if it had some sort of prefs file to allow fixes for different versions of Wurd. Regards, cpc To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 3 13:48:32 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47004 for opro ; Fri, 03 Oct 97 13:48:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875866426:06:04333:44; Fri, 03 Oct 97 09:13:46 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id an1214059; 3 Oct 97 9:13 BST From:(Alan Muscat) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 08:57:00 +0100 Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts Subject: RiScript Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971003.085700.73@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 22:41:53 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c ....as we are discussing postscript problems at the moment... At the last Wakefield show I had a look at Riscript Pro. It seemed excellent for viewing postscript files as well as pdf files. I would have bought it had I had the money. However, I have not seen any full reviews of this software, nor heard anyone raving about it. Is anyone here using it? Alan Muscat -- **************Grapevine Digital Arts********** To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 3 13:48:45 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47006 for opro ; Fri, 03 Oct 97 13:48:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875866473:06:04655:44; Fri, 03 Oct 97 09:14:33 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ap1214059; 3 Oct 97 9:14 BST From:(Alan Muscat) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 08:57:22 +0100 Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts Subject: Re: Applet idea To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971003.085722.26@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 22:44:36 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971002.085804.01@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > In on Wed 01 Oct, Peter Daniel wrote: > > Would anyone like to write an applet to read and maybe even save > > Micro$oft Word files? > > > > ** Yes please ** I've just been offered work which would involve taking in MSWord files. So I can only say 'I second that'. Tho' I imagine that it is easier said than done. Alan Muscat -- **************Grapevine Digital Arts********** To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 3 13:48:51 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47007 for opro ; Fri, 03 Oct 97 13:48:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875866487:05:18855:40; Fri, 03 Oct 97 09:14:47 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ar1214059; 3 Oct 97 9:14 BST From:(Mr J P Kerslake) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 08:54:53 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applet idea To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971003.085453.05@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 97 12:40:21 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c > From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 2 10:08:01 1997 > From: Alan Muir > Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk > Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 08:58:04 +0100 > Organization: > Subject: Re: Applet idea > To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L > Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk > X-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 12:14:38 +0100 (BST) > X-Maillist: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS > X-Apparently-From: > X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c > Content-Length: 372 > > > > In on Wed 01 Oct, Peter Daniel wrote: > > Would anyone like to write an applet to read and maybe even save > > Micro$oft Word files? > > > > ** Yes please ** > > > -- > Alan Muir > amuir@dircon.co.uk > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk > with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l > To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l > > yes please me to & inport excell files as well. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 3 13:49:04 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47010 for opro ; Fri, 03 Oct 97 13:49:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875866552:06:05184:48; Fri, 03 Oct 97 09:15:52 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id av1214059; 3 Oct 97 9:15 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 08:55:35 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971003.085535.26@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 14:35:14 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From:(Colin Thompson) >Is this stuff available and if so where from, please? (HTML import/export) unHTML which is useful HTML->DDF from Mike Williams (another one) - www.econym.demon.co.uk (i.e. its meant for Impression, but you can use it in conjunction with the OPro DDF importer) And an OPro DDL to HTML converter from Tim Wiser http://www.cowgate.demon.co.uk/acorn/binaries/ovp2html.zip From:(Keith Hopper) >I would only assent to that IF there were an option to have Postscript 1 or >Postscript 2!! Thus began the subset wars. From:("James White (Acorns in Spain)") >Whilst on the subject of output, does anybody know what the Printer >Driver situation is re the new Epson printers, especially the new A3 >jobs like the EPL-9000? The last I heard Peter Henry (@ Acorn) was working with Epson on testing drivers with printers. From:(Alan Adams +44 1327 356463) >The creation of standoff curves round draw files has some interesting >characteristics. >1 Lines with a width of less than 1 point seem to be ignored. Maybe, it works by rendering the Draw file to a sprite, and then tracing the outline of that. Presumeably if your lines are too fine they'll vanish. >3 I have not found it possible to delete standoff > curves. However it is possible to delete vertices individually. You apply a picture standoff curve by using the TextFlow window, to get rid of it, again use TextFlow and either set a fixed stand off, or 'None'. >A way to specify the "accuracy" of the curve would be another. By this, I >mean a way to tell OPro that you want a smaller or larger number of >points on the curve, which might avoid some of the "knots" it generated >on the map sample I used. The runaround error on picture choices should provide this. >A way to change a selection of points on the >standoff curve into a single segment might be an alternative. To some extent you specify an error level and your hands are then tied, you can't stick an arbitrarily simple curve through and arbitrarily complex set of points. In summary, yes things could be better, yes there's some room to improve curve editing. No, I've not got the time 8-( David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 3 13:49:06 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47011 for opro ; Fri, 03 Oct 97 13:49:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875866554:05:19245:40; Fri, 03 Oct 97 09:15:54 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id at1214059; 3 Oct 97 9:15 BST From:(Martin Tillman) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 08:56:39 +0100 Organization: Subject: The Black Art of Printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971003.085639.17@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 10:02:11 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c OK, this is relatively straightforward... I want to print an A5 booklet on A4 paper. 'Pamphlet printing' seems designed to do just this (and better than Publisher too - no arcane re-arranging of the paper order to print the other side :-) ). However... I know from many, many experiments that my BJC600 and Turbo Driver will print to within 10.5mm of the bottom of a sheet of A4. So why does Ovation insist that I need to scale the page by 66 percent in order to avoid the claimed-by-Ovation printing limit of 15.5mm from the bottom? If I scale the page to 69 percent the print border is shown to be 10mm, and a line 10.5mm from the bottom is certainly printed. However, to add to the confusion, the sheet of A4 has the two pages printed on it in the wrong place. The line that was shown as 10.5mm from the bottom is actually 12.5 mm, and the other line that should have been 10mm from the top (that is, the other page of the pair) is actually 9.25mm from the top (I have a frame with borders on an A4 page that extends to 10.5mm of the top and bottom). I suppose to make me even more confused all these measurements are then scaled when printed... Still, the upshot is that, if I ignore Ovation's advice about scaling, I end up with two A5 pages side by side, the left one of which needs to migrate to the left by 2-3mm, and a right hand page that needs to go in the opposite direction by 1-2mm. And that's just not possible. (Let's avoid any mention of guttering, or whatever, for the moment). So, why? And, what's the solution? -- m. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 3 13:49:16 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47014 for opro ; Fri, 03 Oct 97 13:49:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875866571:12:15284:46; Fri, 03 Oct 97 09:16:11 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ax1214059; 3 Oct 97 9:16 BST From:(Simon Jones) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 08:57:43 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Spot colours and imported drawfiles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971003.085743.95@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 09:13:12 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Nick Kaijaks wrote: > I've had real trouble with imported graphics in OPro lately. Does the > following sound familiar to anyone, and is there a solution? > My document uses two spot colours: 100% red and 100% black and tints thereof. > Viewing separations this is fine. If I import drawfiles using the same > two colours, they separate into process colours. Obviously the draw format > doesn't allow for definition of spot colours. Can't OPro make an educated > guess? Am I missing something obvious? Is there another way around this? > The only idea I can come up with now I'm typing this is is to import the > drawfile to ArtWorks and define the colours as spots in there. Will that > work? I've been bothered by the same problem. I wondered whether OP (or an applet) could analyse an imported draw file and match colours in !draw files to spot colours in OP? Or could we persuade iSV to add spot colours to the incredible value for money DrawWorks2 ? Aren't we non-programmers just full of ideas.... ;-) One practical solution, if your drawfile only one or two colours is to prepare 'separations' in !Draw. In Nick's example of a red & black graphic: 1) convert all the red (& red tint) lines & areas to white to give a black separation. 2) Place this in OP 3) convert all the black lines & areas to white (or delete the items) and then the red parts to balck/grey(for tints) 4) Place this 'red' separation in a transparent frame over the black separation - ensure frame edges, graphic scaling, xy offsets etc are identical. Now select the 'red' sep and using Picture-Process select the Duotone option and set the Lower colour to be your Red spot. Not too arduous if the graphic is fairly simple - and I mean simple. It won't cope too well with complex overlapping colours - you'll see what I mean if you try it - but is a workround for certain situations. Chee rs Simon -- Simon Jones - capelin@argonet.co.uk - Clitheroe, Lancs Freelance Sound Recordist | http://www.argonet.co.uk/capelin To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 3 13:49:22 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47016 for opro ; Fri, 03 Oct 97 13:49:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875866630:06:05673:41; Fri, 03 Oct 97 09:17:10 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id az1214059; 3 Oct 97 9:16 BST From:("Nick.Kaijaks") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 08:55:14 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971003.085514.78@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:14:22 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c David Pilling wrote: >>My document uses two spot colours: 100% red and 100% black and tints thereof. >>Viewing separations this is fine. If I import drawfiles using the same >>two colours, they separate into process colours. Obviously the draw format >>doesn't allow for definition of spot colours. Can't OPro make an educated >>guess? Am I missing something obvious? Is there another way around this? > >I was going to go on about the dangers of educated guesses, but I supppose >that I could add a feature that made it use the closest colour. Well, rather than just the closest (this could go very pear-shaped), just pick up if it uses identical RGB values. If there's a colour in the imported graphic which isn't in the OPro document, then perhaps create colours with default names (as you do with duplicate styles already). This could still cause problems if you don't print separations for all these colours, and for Draw pseudo-graduated fills, you could end up with hundreds of imported colours. Maybe if you got a dialogue to ask if you if you wanted to try to convert colours? >I believe that the usual trick in this situation is to use (say) Cyan >as a pseudo spot colour. That way you get your educated guess. >You can always redefine the colour of Cyan so that things look right. Yup, always done that with Impression and Artworks. I'd hoped I wouldn't have to carry on ;-) >>The only idea I can come up with now I'm typing this is is to import the >>drawfile to ArtWorks and define the colours as spots in there. Will that >>work? > >Yes this will work but (weasel words) only in OPro 2.47. This is still standing Bonus! This would solve the problem entirely, providing I remember not to use drawfiles by accident... This leads me onto another idea - would it be possible for someone to write a program that would read DDLs, or better still an applet that keeps an eye on your documents for certain features like drawfiles with undefined colours when you're printing separations. Sort of a FlightCheck for OPro? See http://www.markzware.com/ to find out about it (trivia: their European Operations Manager is named David Dilling...). >on the launch pad whilst Beebug consult with the practitioners of the black >arts of copy protection, about the best way to stop people using it. Not sending it out to them would be the easiest way ;-) Cheers, Nick -- nick kaijaks; proprietor, pinxit design - putting the solution together and; research student, physics, university of warwick, coventry cv4 7al http://www.warwick.ac.uk/Nick.Kaijaks/ mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 6 19:27:52 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47144 for opro ; Mon, 06 Oct 97 19:27:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876128180:14:08370:65; Mon, 06 Oct 97 09:56:20 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab0916669; 6 Oct 97 9:56 BST From:(R.I. Scott) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:09:30 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applet idea To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971006.090930.19@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 97 17:15:47 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I don't have the ability to write one, but it would be an excellent idea .. Ian Scott To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 6 19:27:58 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47147 for opro ; Mon, 06 Oct 97 19:27:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876128269:14:08768:41; Mon, 06 Oct 97 09:57:49 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ag0916669; 6 Oct 97 9:57 BST From:(R.I. Scott) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:10:42 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applet idea To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971006.091042.92@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 97 17:15:47 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I don't have the ability to write one, but it would be an excellent idea .. Ian Scott To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 6 19:28:06 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47151 for opro ; Mon, 06 Oct 97 19:28:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876128478:10:02706:40; Mon, 06 Oct 97 10:01:18 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aj0916669; 6 Oct 97 10:00 BST From:(Jonathan Overett) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:05:14 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applet idea To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971006.090514.49@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:34:13 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Peter Daniel wrote: > Would anyone like to write an applet to read and maybe even save > Micro$oft Word files? YES!! That would be incredibly useful - sign me up! To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 6 19:28:19 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47157 for opro ; Mon, 06 Oct 97 19:28:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876128684:14:10532:40; Mon, 06 Oct 97 10:04:44 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id al0916669; 6 Oct 97 10:04 BST From:(George Foot) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:04:52 +0100 Organization: Subject: Printer Drivers To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971006.090452.03@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 10:26:13 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I would like to print from OvationPro (and for that matter from Photodesk and Impression) woth sizes up to A2 using Epson Stylus Inkjet Model 3000 I am told that with the available Acorn printer drivers printing ceases after printing to a length equal to a A4 sheet. But if paper is introduced from the manual feeder at the rear of the Model 3000 the full length of an A2 sheet is printed. I should be grateful for any explanations and assistance. George -- George Foot georgefoot@oxted.demon.co.uk Web Page. http://www.oxted.demon.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 6 19:28:27 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47160 for opro ; Mon, 06 Oct 97 19:28:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876128884:09:21891:42; Mon, 06 Oct 97 10:08:04 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aw0916669; 6 Oct 97 10:07 BST From:(Graham Allan) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:07:27 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applet idea To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971006.090727.91@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 9:20:18 -0500 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Alan Muscat wrote: >I've just been offered work which would involve taking >in MSWord files. So I can only say 'I second that'. >Tho' I imagine that it is easier said than done. I believe that the Word file format is now documanted, on the MS web site somewhere. That should make writing a converter many times easier than before, at least. Graham To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 6 19:28:35 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47162 for opro ; Mon, 06 Oct 97 19:28:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876129040:09:23028:41; Mon, 06 Oct 97 10:10:40 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ax0916669; 6 Oct 97 10:10 BST From:(Roy Robinson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:07:52 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: HP4MVA3printer To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971006.090752.22@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 97 13:48:10 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c This printer was mentioned recently with reference to font printing problem, but how does it perform usually, sorry for slightly periferal post but may have to purchase one shortly for PC work but would of course like it to work with my StrongArm machine as well, what driver do you use etc. Best wishes to all Roy at Birdtech -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ birdtech@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 6 19:28:42 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47165 for opro ; Mon, 06 Oct 97 19:28:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876129179:14:12434:40; Mon, 06 Oct 97 10:12:59 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id az0916669; 6 Oct 97 10:12 BST From:(Martin Devon) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:09:04 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applet idea To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971006.090904.37@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 18:58:03 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In on Wed 01 Oct, Peter Daniel wrote: > Would anyone like to write an applet to read and maybe even save > Micro$oft Word files? > I suggest this is the single most fundamental foreign file import O-Pro could have. Word files are de-facto the standard for WP files and I am incessantly asked to extract text from Word to import into O-Pro. -- Martin Devon IT Consultant Stonar School To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 6 19:28:45 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47166 for opro ; Mon, 06 Oct 97 19:28:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876129222:09:24105:40; Mon, 06 Oct 97 10:13:42 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id an0916669; 6 Oct 97 10:13 BST From:("Howe , Chris") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:09:54 +0100 Organization: Subject: Old Impressions To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971006.090954.71@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: 3 Oct 97 20:42:00 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On the subject of migrating from Impression to Ovation Pro, when I replace my computer I'm thinking of not installing Impression. (Or turbo-drivers actually) All my key docs have been translated to Ovation, but many small business letters remain in impression. Does anybody have a cheap utility or trick to get the un-formatted text (ascii) out of the impression binaries? You can sortof make the contents out in a text editor, but not very well. Chris Howe, Bath To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 6 19:28:53 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47168 for opro ; Mon, 06 Oct 97 19:28:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876129337:09:24639:61; Mon, 06 Oct 97 10:15:37 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bg0916669; 6 Oct 97 10:15 BST From: andy.ling@quantel.com Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:05:37 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applet idea To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971006.090537.81@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:09:08 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Wed 01 Oct, Peter Daniel wrote: >> Would anyone like to write an applet to read and maybe even save >> Micro$oft Word files? > > That would be so useful, I'd even volunteer to have a go, if someone > could explain how to get hold of the Word file formats. I've messed > around with the MS Developers Network Online whatsit and not managed > to get a single thing from it. Info on how to get the word file format was posted on one of the Acorn news groups a month or two back. Sorry I didn't keep hold of it, but if you search DejaNews (http://www.dejanews.com/) you should find it. Looks like you get the job :-) Andy Ling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 6 19:28:59 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47170 for opro ; Mon, 06 Oct 97 19:28:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876129427:10:08068:53; Mon, 06 Oct 97 10:17:07 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bi0916669; 6 Oct 97 10:16 BST From:("Sveinung W. Tengelsen") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:05:58 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re:PS output To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971006.090558.94@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 11:30:40 +0000 (GMT+1) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 03 Oct, Carl Cepurneek wrote: > David wrote: > > >Providing direct PS output from OPro would be fairly easy, but I'd > >need convincing ... > > How does the offer of a kneecap reconstruction sound? Such statements *should* be modified by an emotoid ( ;), for instance) :/ > Really yes, please, for PS. PDF import/export would be a thousand times more useful. All printshops accepts PDF. -- Regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- mailto:pixeleye@sn.no | I have one illusion; http://www.sn.no/~pixeleye/Index.htm | I have no illusions. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 6 19:29:01 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47171 for opro ; Mon, 06 Oct 97 19:29:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876129494:14:13833:40; Mon, 06 Oct 97 10:18:14 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bk0916669; 6 Oct 97 10:17 BST From:(Keith Parker) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:10:19 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re:PS output To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971006.091019.03@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 97 22:32:43 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I was talking with Tony Tolver of T-J Reproductions today and he has a little experience of outputting PS files ... well, a hell of a lot really and he uses the Acorn Linotype 200 PS PDF and has done with all versions of !Printers ... with no problems. I've used the same ... though on a smaller scale with similar results. As far as Tony and I are concerned, it ain't broke so what needs fixing? As far as generating EPS files both Tony and I would like that ... a lot :-) Just 2 x 2p worth ;-) Keith -- keithp@argonet.co.uk | suep@argonet.co.uk Supporting British RISC technology :-) | A teacher using PCs and Macs :-( To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 6 19:29:10 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47174 for opro ; Mon, 06 Oct 97 19:29:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876129530:10:08730:45; Mon, 06 Oct 97 10:18:50 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bm0916669; 6 Oct 97 10:18 BST From: jevans@jevans.demon.co.uk Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:11:06 +0100 Organization: @jevans.demon.co.uk Subject: Ovation keeps crashing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971006.091106.66@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 15:32:45 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Since upgrading to 2.46 I keep on getting the following error:- Internal error, no stack for trap handler Data abort pc=600A94C4 registers at 115230 What does this mean? Obviously this is to do with memory allocation but I have a RISC PC with 16 MB RAM & 2MB VRAM. There is loads of spare memory left in the system memory and system heap/stack. How much is it expecting to allocate anyway? This sort of message is so unhelpful and seems to be the norm with so many applications. I expect it of free/shareware applications but when you buy a commercial package I expect more. Anyone able to help will be very much appreciated To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 6 19:29:17 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47176 for opro ; Mon, 06 Oct 97 19:29:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876129600:10:09086:41; Mon, 06 Oct 97 10:20:00 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bs0916669; 6 Oct 97 10:19 BST From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:06:20 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: The Black Art of Printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971006.090620.75@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 11:17:03 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Martin Tillman wrote: > If I scale the page to 69 percent the print border is shown to be > 10mm, and a line 10.5mm from the bottom is certainly printed. > However, to add to the confusion, the sheet of A4 has the two pages > printed on it in the wrong place. The line that was shown as 10.5mm > from the bottom is actually 12.5 mm, and the other line that should > have been 10mm from the top (that is, the other page of the pair) is > actually 9.25mm from the top (I have a frame with borders on an A4 > page that extends to 10.5mm of the top and bottom). I suppose to make > me even more confused all these measurements are then scaled when > printed... I'm not sure if it will help or not, but my Epson printed a couple of millimetres out. I entered an offset in the Printer window and this put it back to the correct position. The offset can be saved in the default page. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 6 19:29:21 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47177 for opro ; Mon, 06 Oct 97 19:29:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876129645:10:09399:40; Mon, 06 Oct 97 10:20:45 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bu0916669; 6 Oct 97 10:20 BST From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:07:05 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applet idea To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971006.090705.67@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 11:04:01 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Alan Muscat wrote: > In message <19971002.085804.01@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > > In on Wed 01 Oct, Peter Daniel wrote: > > > Would anyone like to write an applet to read and maybe even save > > > Micro$oft Word files? > > > > > > > ** Yes please ** > I've just been offered work which would involve taking > in MSWord files. So I can only say 'I second that'. > Tho' I imagine that it is easier said than done. What I do in the meantime is either get them in RTF format, or if I don't have a choice of output format, I keep a copy of WordPerfect on the PC card which will import Word files (and many other formats). I then save them out as RTF which drop quite nicely into Ovation Pro. No graphics of course. Not ideal, but it works. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 6 19:29:30 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47180 for opro ; Mon, 06 Oct 97 19:29:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876129729:09:26898:69; Mon, 06 Oct 97 10:22:09 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ak0916669; 6 Oct 97 10:21 BST From:(tony van der Hoff) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:08:16 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applet idea To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971006.090816.75@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:28:10 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971003.085722.26@risc.demon.co.uk>, Alan Muscat writes > >I've just been offered work which would involve taking >in MSWord files. So I can only say 'I second that'. >Tho' I imagine that it is easier said than done. > > Well, MS Word will save files in RTF, which is really only their equivalent of DDL, and you can import RTF files into OPro via the appropriate filter, so if you can persuade your client to supply the source material in RTF, you'd be well away. As for export, I really have a great need to produce Word compatible output, and I have set about writing a DDL to RTF convertor. It's not trivial, though, and not helped by DDL not being formally documented (BTW David, I wouldn't mind even some provisional documentation - Quite happy to NDA it if you want), so have no predicted release date. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Tony van der Hoff | E-Mail: tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | WWW: ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 6 19:29:37 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47182 for opro ; Mon, 06 Oct 97 19:29:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876129791:14:15113:51; Mon, 06 Oct 97 10:23:11 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ao0916669; 6 Oct 97 10:23 BST From:(Peter Bond) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:08:40 +0100 Organization: home Subject: Re: The Black Art of Printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971006.090840.30@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 19:52:51 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971003.085639.17@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > OK, this is relatively straightforward... > > I want to print an A5 booklet on A4 paper. 'Pamphlet printing' seems > designed to do just this (and better than Publisher too - no arcane > re-arranging of the paper order to print the other side :-) ). > > However... > > > I know from many, many experiments that my BJC600 and Turbo Driver > will print to within 10.5mm of the bottom of a sheet of A4. So why > does Ovation insist that I need to scale the page by 66 percent in > order to avoid the claimed-by-Ovation printing limit of 15.5mm from > the bottom? > .. . cut . . . > > So, why? And, what's the solution? > I'm not sure that you have told us enough, for instance, are your original pages A4? Because it works ok for me! I've just set up a dummy job with 4 A4 pages, printed Pamphlet-wise onto Landscape A4 and OPro set the scaling to 71% (using ArcFax to print to). A little while back I had a single sheet A4 to print as pamphlet (actually a programme) and set it up as 4 A5 pages (which is how I prefer it) to be printed onto landscape A4 and OPro was quite happy at 100%. ?? -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 6 19:29:45 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47184 for opro ; Mon, 06 Oct 97 19:29:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876129866:09:27862:42; Mon, 06 Oct 97 10:24:26 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bz0916669; 6 Oct 97 10:24 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:52:56 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Printers, RTF, Word and the butchers wife To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971006.095256.26@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:50:42 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c > From:(Roy Robinson) > Subject: Re: HP4MVA3printer > > This printer was mentioned recently with reference to font printing problem I don't know about you guys, but his seems off-topic to me. > From: tony van der Hoff > Subject: Re: Applet idea > > As for export, I really have a great need to produce Word compatible > output, and I have set about writing a DDL to RTF convertor. It's not > trivial, though, and not helped by DDL not being formally documented > (BTW David, I wouldn't mind even some provisional documentation - Quite > happy to NDA it if you want), so have no predicted release date. Erk, stop! Or rather you are duplicating effort, we are having an RTF exporter written. If you want to, by all means continue, but the guy who did the importer is doing the exporter; this means he knows a fair amount about both RTF and DDL already. > From:(R.I. Scott) > Subject: Re: Applet idea > > I don't have the ability to write one, but it would be an excellent idea .. > > Ian Scott OK, OK, enough of the me toos already, we get the point. I am in discussion with someone to do a Word import/export filter. The main problem at the moment is getting anywhere near the MS site to get the details what with the advent of IE4.0, so much for the scaleability of IIS, ha. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 6 19:29:55 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47186 for opro ; Mon, 06 Oct 97 19:29:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876129956:10:11137:43; Mon, 06 Oct 97 10:25:56 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id cc0916669; 6 Oct 97 10:25 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:06:43 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971006.090643.26@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 97 14:54:25 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From:(Martin Tillman) >I want to print an A5 booklet on A4 paper. 'Pamphlet printing' seems >designed to do just this (and better than Publisher too - no arcane >I know from many, many experiments that my BJC600 and Turbo Driver >will print to within 10.5mm of the bottom of a sheet of A4. So why >does Ovation insist that I need to scale the page by 66 percent in >order to avoid the claimed-by-Ovation printing limit of 15.5mm from >the bottom? Two ideas. Firstly the paper size for the printer has to have the correct margins. For example A4 Generic DP has a bottom margin of 20mm. If OPro is getting 15.5mm from anywhere it is from the printer drivers paper size definition. Secondly, a related and little known point. If you use Centre on the print window, your work gets centered on the physical paper area - ignoring any printer margins. Fit fits the work to the printer margins. However Fit used at the same time as Centre adjusts things to get the work inside the printable area at the same time as leaving it centred. This results in a smaller scale than fit on its own. >If I scale the page to 69 percent the print border is shown to be >10mm 10/15.5 ~ 65% >However, to add to the confusion, the sheet of A4 has the two pages >printed on it in the wrong place. The line that was shown as 10.5mm > from the bottom is actually 12.5 mm, and the other line that should All this has been about the scale, but I wonder if OPro also set up some X+Y shifts too? I think there also has to be a general get out over the absolute accuracy you can expect from RISC OS when printing scaled down and any printer. But the bottom line is, check the paper size. From:("Nick.Kaijaks") >>My document uses two spot colours: 100% red and 100% black and tints >>thereof. >Well, rather than just the closest (this could go very pear-shaped), just >pick up if it uses identical RGB values. Identical would probably be fun, given that colours in draw files are stored as 0..255, but that we all now use colour pickers that go 0..100%. I was also thinking about spot tints, you'd lose those with identical. It would be good if someone would write down a standard way of extending Draw files to cope with CMYK and Spots. Certainly this can be done in a backwards compatible way. Expecting Acorn to support it in Draw next week is too much to hope for - but at least we'd all be going in the right direction. >This leads me onto another idea - would it be possible for someone to write >a program that would read DDLs, or better still an applet that keeps an eye >on your documents for certain features like drawfiles with undefined colours I've been thinking about that, in the light of the thin lines etc. You've added another one to the list 'Draw files with colours in'. >>arts of copy protection, about the best way to stop people using it. >Not sending it out to them would be the easiest way ;-) Ah you worked it out. Are these guys good or what? David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 7 14:31:39 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47294 for opro ; Tue, 07 Oct 97 14:31:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876210816:14:00691:42; Tue, 07 Oct 97 08:53:36 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab0918896; 7 Oct 97 8:53 BST From:(Xavier deMonneron) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:46:19 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Old Impressions To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971007.084619.50@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:28:30 +0200 (MET DST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I think that if you use "Save story", you'll get your ASCII text, plus one or two paragraphs of configuration data. Hope that helps. -- Xavier de Monneron, alias AsteRISC, member of ARMada and CPV Acorn RiscPC 600 24 MO/2 GO, SCSI2, 17", CDx4, 486sx33, RiscOS 3.5 Xavier.deMonneron@dassault-elec.fr -------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 7 14:31:43 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47295 for opro ; Tue, 07 Oct 97 14:31:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876210857:14:00835:56; Tue, 07 Oct 97 08:54:17 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ah0918896; 7 Oct 97 8:54 BST From:(Argomail User bk52) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:47:01 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Printers, RTF, Word and the butchers wife To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971007.084701.37@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon Oct 6 10:21:42 1997 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c > > > From:(Roy Robinson) > > Subject: Re: HP4MVA3printer [SNIP] > Erk, stop! Or rather you are duplicating effort, we are having an > RTF exporter written. If you want to, by all means continue, but the > guy who did the importer is doing the exporter; this means he knows > a fair amount about both RTF and DDL already. Would that be Rob Clark? Ciao Paul To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 7 14:31:55 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47298 for opro ; Tue, 07 Oct 97 14:31:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876210932:14:01075:60; Tue, 07 Oct 97 08:55:32 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aj0918896; 7 Oct 97 8:55 BST From:(Matthew Hambley) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:48:19 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: PS output To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971007.084819.60@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:28:22 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c > > Really yes, please, for PS. > > PDF import/export would be a thousand times more useful. All printshops > accepts PDF. To the best of my knwoledge PDF is just a binary version of PostScript and as the printers accept PostScript and not PDF that means the printshops are going to have to convert PDF->PS to print anyway. In which case you could just save them the hassle by providing PS. (\/)atthew To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 7 14:32:08 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47301 for opro ; Tue, 07 Oct 97 14:32:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876211013:14:01359:46; Tue, 07 Oct 97 08:56:53 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id al0918896; 7 Oct 97 8:56 BST From:(Colin Mackinlay) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:47:20 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Printers, RTF, Word and the butchers wife To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971007.084720.92@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 20:31:30 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 06 Oct, Ian MacDougall wrote: > OK, OK, enough of the me toos already, we get the point. I am in > discussion with someone to do a Word import/export filter. The main > problem at the moment is getting anywhere near the MS site to get > the details what with the advent of IE4.0, so much for the scaleability > of IIS, ha. I wish you luck. As I recall MS do not divulge later file formats except to those who pay lots of looy as a licence fee. This certainly was a problem with Eureka which could not import later than Excel v4 because of this. I hope they have changed their policy, Word Import would be useful indeed. Hang on .. maybe they are worried about all the Word users out there switching to OPro. Colin -- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 7 14:32:15 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47302 for opro ; Tue, 07 Oct 97 14:32:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876211087:14:01584:44; Tue, 07 Oct 97 08:58:07 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id an0918896; 7 Oct 97 8:57 BST From:(Keith Goodier) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:48:40 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Printer Drivers To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971007.084840.04@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 97 23:04:06 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 6 Oct 97 (09:04:52 +0100), georgefoot@oxted.demon.co.uk wrote: >I would like to print from OvationPro (and for that matter from >Photodesk and Impression) woth sizes up to A2 using Epson >Stylus Inkjet Model 3000 > >I am told that with the available Acorn printer drivers printing ceases >after printing to a length equal to a A4 sheet. On most of the Acorn printer drivers I have used there is an option to set the paper feed to Auto, Manual or Roll. I haven't tried it, but I would imagine that selecting Roll would eliminate any tendency for the printer to form-feed at undesirable moments. -- |/ |\eith jake@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 7 14:32:27 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47304 for opro ; Tue, 07 Oct 97 14:32:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876211159:14:01888:41; Tue, 07 Oct 97 08:59:19 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ap0918896; 7 Oct 97 8:58 BST From:(Alf Chamings) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:46:41 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Old Impressions To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971007.084641.16@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 11:06:15 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 06 Oct, Howe , Chris wrote: > On the subject of migrating from Impression to Ovation Pro, > > when I replace my computer I'm thinking of not installing Impression. > (Or turbo-drivers actually) > > All my key docs have been translated to Ovation, but many small business > letters remain in impression. > > Does anybody have a cheap utility or trick to get the un-formatted text > (ascii) out of the impression binaries? > You can sortof make the contents out in a text editor, but not very well. > > Chris Howe, > Bath > > > To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk > with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l > To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l > Don't you just 'save text story' from the publisher document window? That's how I do my conversions. My problem is I have several rather long documents with local frames containing text or graphics and 'text story' is only the contents of the currently active frame. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 7 14:32:39 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47306 for opro ; Tue, 07 Oct 97 14:32:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876211247:10:11764:41; Tue, 07 Oct 97 09:00:47 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ad0918896; 7 Oct 97 9:00 BST From:("Sveinung W. Tengelsen") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:48:00 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applet idea To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971007.084800.99@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 14:31:24 +0000 (GMT+1) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 06 Oct, Martin Devon wrote: > In on Wed 01 Oct, Peter Daniel wrote: > > Would anyone like to write an applet to read and maybe even save > > Micro$oft Word files? > > > > I suggest this is the single most fundamental foreign file import O-Pro > could have. Rubbish. Support for Quark Xpress-files would be infinitely more useful in the context OP is dealing with (desktop design/page-layout). There already is W6/7 import/export-facilities in the RISC OS *word-processing*- program Easiwriter/Techwriter (supplied by Icon Technology). *Yes* it could be useful to have same functionality in OP, but I'd never insist on it. > Word files are de-facto the standard for WP files and I am incessantly > asked to extract text from Word to import into O-Pro. Ovation Pro isn't a word-processor!!! Fish... :/ -- Regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- mailto:pixeleye@sn.no | I have one illusion; http://www.sn.no/~pixeleye/Index.htm | I have no illusions. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 7 14:32:50 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47308 for opro ; Tue, 07 Oct 97 14:32:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876211399:10:12816:43; Tue, 07 Oct 97 09:03:19 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id af0918896; 7 Oct 97 9:03 BST From:(tony van der Hoff) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:49:00 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Printers, RTF, Word and the butchers wife To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971007.084900.75@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:42:26 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971006.095256.26@risc.demon.co.uk>, Ian MacDougall writes > >> From: tony van der Hoff >> Subject: Re: Applet idea >> >> As for export, I really have a great need to produce Word compatible >> output, and I have set about writing a DDL to RTF convertor. It's not >> trivial, though, and not helped by DDL not being formally documented >> (BTW David, I wouldn't mind even some provisional documentation - Quite >> happy to NDA it if you want), so have no predicted release date. > >Erk, stop! Or rather you are duplicating effort, we are having an >RTF exporter written. If you want to, by all means continue, but the >guy who did the importer is doing the exporter; this means he knows >a fair amount about both RTF and DDL already. > Ah! Well, excellent news! Before I completely put the project to bed, though, have you any idea of timescales that you'd want to admit to? I really need this rather urgently :-( -- Tony van der Hoff | E-Mail: tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | WWW: ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 7 14:33:01 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47310 for opro ; Tue, 07 Oct 97 14:32:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876211549:09:23534:50; Tue, 07 Oct 97 09:05:49 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id as0918896; 7 Oct 97 9:05 BST From:(Ariancylch) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:49:22 +0100 Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body Subject: Re: Old Impressions To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971007.084922.55@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 19:21:29 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971006.090954.71@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On the subject of migrating from Impression to Ovation Pro, > > when I replace my computer I'm thinking of not installing Impression. > (Or turbo-drivers actually) > > All my key docs have been translated to Ovation, but many small > business letters remain in impression. > > Does anybody have a cheap utility or trick to get the un-formatted > text (ascii) out of the impression binaries? You can sortof make > the contents out in a text editor, but not very well. Yes :) Do you want plain text, text with style information, or a conversion to DDL? -- I won't use words again May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said places where you must walk -- I won't use words again May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said places where you must walk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 7 14:33:11 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47312 for opro ; Tue, 07 Oct 97 14:33:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876211671:10:14340:42; Tue, 07 Oct 97 09:07:51 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id at0918896; 7 Oct 97 9:07 BST From:(Alan Muscat) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:49:43 +0100 Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts Subject: Re: Applet idea To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971007.084943.41@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 19:48:31 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971006.090705.67@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Alan Muscat wrote: > > In message <19971002.085804.01@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In on Wed 01 Oct, Peter Daniel wrote: > > > > Would anyone like to write an applet to read and maybe even save > > > > Micro$oft Word files? > > > > > > > > > > ** Yes please ** > > > I've just been offered work which would involve taking > > in MSWord files. So I can only say 'I second that'. > > Tho' I imagine that it is easier said than done. > > What I do in the meantime is either get them in RTF format, or if I don't > have a choice of output format, I keep a copy of WordPerfect on the PC > card which will import Word files (and many other formats). I then save > them out as RTF which drop quite nicely into Ovation Pro. No graphics of > course. > > Not ideal, but it works. I will probably buy a second-hand copy of Word, about version 6. That would be the best, and if I need to I'll export from Word as RTF. Can you believe this though, the guy wants me to do my designs in Word so that I am compatible with what he has. Anyone got Word for sale? Alan -- **************Grapevine Digital Arts********** To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 7 14:33:23 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47314 for opro ; Tue, 07 Oct 97 14:33:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876211831:14:04884:47; Tue, 07 Oct 97 09:10:31 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aj0918896; 7 Oct 97 9:10 BST From:(Steven Pampling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:50:03 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applet idea To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971007.085003.13@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 22:11:10 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c andy.ling@quantel.com wrote: > On Wed 01 Oct, Peter Daniel wrote: > >> Would anyone like to write an applet to read and maybe even save > >> Micro$oft Word files? > > > > That would be so useful, I'd even volunteer to have a go, if someone > > could explain how to get hold of the Word file formats. I've messed > > around with the MS Developers Network Online whatsit and not managed > > to get a single thing from it. > Info on how to get the word file format was posted on one of the Acorn > news groups a month or two back. Sorry I didn't keep hold of it, but > if you search DejaNews (http://www.dejanews.com/) you should find it. > Looks like you get the job :-) > Andy Ling From: Stuart Halliday Subject: Microsoft file formats Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 10:00:00 Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.programmer In case anyone is interested I've found a site which has virtually all the Microsoft Windows and MSOffice file formats explained on it. So now no one has the excuse of not developing MSOffice <-> Acorn converters! ;-) See http://www.wotsit.demon.co.uk/ The Write format stuff is reasonably clear, the Word stuff seems delightfully obscure. SteveP -- steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk or camra@argonet.co.uk for CAMRA items ZFC A * Campaign for Real Ale, Warwickshire Area Organiser * * "Cracking Toast Grommit" - Wallace * * "Cracking Real Ale Grommit" - Wallace's brother * To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 7 14:33:34 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47316 for opro ; Tue, 07 Oct 97 14:33:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876211951:14:05349:47; Tue, 07 Oct 97 09:12:31 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id av0918896; 7 Oct 97 9:12 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:50:22 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971007.085022.68@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Oct 97 22:24:10 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From:("Howe , Chris") >Does anybody have a cheap utility or trick to get the un-formatted text >(ascii) out of the impression binaries? >You can sortof make the contents out in a text editor, but not very well. We'll have to stick a copy of strings (unixy command line program which strips text out of binaries) in a transloader shell. From: jevans@jevans.demon.co.uk >Since upgrading to 2.46 I keep on getting the following error:- >Internal error, no stack for trap handler >Data abort pc=600A94C4 registers at 115230 >This sort of message is so unhelpful and seems to be the norm with so many >applications. Sorry about that. The 'error' means that as far as the program is concerned the world just came to an end. It has managed to corrupt itself, and there's no possibility of a nice error message. I'd be interested to hear more about how you produce this crash... From:(tony van der Hoff) >(BTW David, I wouldn't mind even some provisional documentation - Quite >happy to NDA it if you want), so have no predicted release date. I don't think NDA is an issue, the DDL is there for anyone to see. The only problem is finding time to document it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 7 14:33:41 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47318 for opro ; Tue, 07 Oct 97 14:33:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876212857:10:21238:41; Tue, 07 Oct 97 09:27:37 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ah0918896; 7 Oct 97 9:13 BST From:("Peter Daniel") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:47:41 +0100 Organization: University of Salford Subject: Re: The Black Art of Printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971007.084741.33@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:24:27 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I have spent a lot of time trying to get booklets to print correctly. Here are some suggestions. Method 1 Create a new document that has a page size of A4 and is landscape. Setup the master frame to have a margin of 0mm all the way round. Now create a frame with the following properties: X - 14.96 Y - 14.96 W - 266.93 H - 180.09 columns - 2 gutter - 30 column width - 118.46 (all sizes in mm) Treat the two 'columns' as A5 pages and type your text in to them, alternatively use them as guides for creating text frames. To get a new set of pages click in the outer frame and press keypad-enter. You can link the pages together if you wish. When printing just select 'sideways' and it should print out, and fold correctly. If you want a copy of the stylesheet for this email me (p.j.daniel@eee.salford.ac.uk) and I will gladly email you a copy. Method 2 If the booklet is to be photocopied then this method works equally as well, better in some cases. [...] I hope these ideas are of some help. [] > OK, this is relatively straightforward... > > I want to print an A5 booklet on A4 paper. 'Pamphlet printing' seems > designed to do just this (and better than Publisher too - no arcane > re-arranging of the paper order to print the other side :-) ). > > However... > > > I know from many, many experiments that my BJC600 and Turbo Driver > will print to within 10.5mm of the bottom of a sheet of A4. So why > does Ovation insist that I need to scale the page by 66 percent in > order to avoid the claimed-by-Ovation printing limit of 15.5mm from > the bottom? > > If I scale the page to 69 percent the print border is shown to be > 10mm, and a line 10.5mm from the bottom is certainly printed. > However, to add to the confusion, the sheet of A4 has the two pages > printed on it in the wrong place. The line that was shown as 10.5mm > from the bottom is actually 12.5 mm, and the other line that should > have been 10mm from the top (that is, the other page of the pair) is > actually 9.25mm from the top (I have a frame with borders on an A4 > page that extends to 10.5mm of the top and bottom). I suppose to make > me even more confused all these measurements are then scaled when > printed... > > Still, the upshot is that, if I ignore Ovation's advice about scaling, > I end up with two A5 pages side by side, the left one of which needs > to migrate to the left by 2-3mm, and a right hand page that needs to > go in the opposite direction by 1-2mm. And that's just not possible. > (Let's avoid any mention of guttering, or whatever, for the moment). > > So, why? And, what's the solution? > > -- > m. > > > To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk > with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l > To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l > > > To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 9 14:44:50 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47508 for opro ; Thu, 09 Oct 97 14:44:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876403580:10:08832:49; Thu, 09 Oct 97 14:26:20 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ae0926285; 9 Oct 97 14:25 BST From:(Mr J P Kerslake) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 13:09:22 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applet idea To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971009.130922.30@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 97 10:39:46 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Will it ever be possible to inport an active spread sheet int OP. I have table mate, but it lacks many maths functions. It woul also be nice to be able to make changes AFTER inporting a table / spread sheet into OP. John Percy Kerslake, kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Pager 01426-235878, Webb http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Dysliexia rules k o My spell checker dosen't work with my mail package I am writing this at work on a sun sparc station To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 9 14:44:56 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47510 for opro ; Thu, 09 Oct 97 14:44:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876403715:14:02899:42; Thu, 09 Oct 97 14:28:35 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ag0926285; 9 Oct 97 14:28 BST From: davidlewin@aol.com Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 13:12:08 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applet idea To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971009.131208.97@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 02:34:31 -0400 (EDT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In a message dated 10/6/97 9:44:42AM, you write: << > Would anyone like to write an applet to read and maybe even save > Micro$oft Word files? >> I want to add my vote to this idea. My customers use MSWord, and would not know a DDF or RTF if it bit them. The option of keeping my own copy of MSWord sounds a good stop gap, but I do not have a copy as yet. I am still Windows 3.11. David Lewin delewin@iee.org.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 9 14:45:03 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47512 for opro ; Thu, 09 Oct 97 14:45:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876403965:14:04050:57; Thu, 09 Oct 97 14:32:45 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ai0926285; 9 Oct 97 14:32 BST From:(Phil Dennison) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 13:12:31 +0100 Organization: Subject: reverse printing problem To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971009.131231.72@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 11:11:19 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I haven't had any messages from the list for a while, so apologies if this has been covered. I have been trying to print two documents containing large sprite files using OvationPro 2.46, and TurboDrivers with a HP DJ550c printer. The problem is that the pictures print reversed, ie as a mirror image, though they appear fine on the screen. Any ideas? Phil. -- Phil Dennison (p.r.dennison@strath.ac.uk) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 9 14:45:09 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47514 for opro ; Thu, 09 Oct 97 14:45:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876404127:14:04525:90; Thu, 09 Oct 97 14:35:27 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ak0926285; 9 Oct 97 14:34 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 13:12:52 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Printers, RTF, Word and the butchers wife To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971009.131252.64@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 10:24:03 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 07 Oct, Argomail User bk52 wrote: > Would that be Rob Clark? Yes. On Tue 07 Oct, tony van der Hoff wrote: > Ah! Well, excellent news! Before I completely put the project to bed, > though, have you any idea of timescales that you'd want to admit to? I > really need this rather urgently :-( Likely to be later rather than sooner. It really depends on how Mr Clark gets on. Christmas sounds like it might be possible, so if you want to continue then by all means do so. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 9 14:45:16 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47516 for opro ; Thu, 09 Oct 97 14:45:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876404326:10:13827:73; Thu, 09 Oct 97 14:38:46 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id am0926285; 9 Oct 97 14:38 BST From:(Martin Tillman) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 13:13:34 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: The Black Art of Printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971009.131334.96@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 18:41:49 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971006.090620.75@risc.demon.co.uk> Ray Dawson wrote: [snip] > I'm not sure if it will help or not, but my Epson printed a couple > of millimetres out. I entered an offset in the Printer window and > this put it back to the correct position. The offset can be saved in > the default page. Well, Ovation does indeed seem to print the page 1mm lower than Impression, but this wouldn't account for the misalignment I'm experiencing, I reckon. -- m. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 9 14:45:23 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47518 for opro ; Thu, 09 Oct 97 14:45:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876404565:14:06784:42; Thu, 09 Oct 97 14:42:45 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ao0926285; 9 Oct 97 14:41 BST From:(Tony Albert) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 13:14:41 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Ovation keeps crashing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971009.131441.50@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 20:37:25 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 06 Oct, jevans@jevans.demon.co.uk wrote: > Since upgrading to 2.46 I keep on getting the following error:- > > Internal error, no stack for trap handler > Data abort pc=600A94C4 registers at 115230 > > What does this mean? I had a similar error message when using Ant Internet Suite (and, I think, with OPro). I was advised to download and install riscos360+370.arc from the Acorn web site - according to Archive magazine www.acorncom/ftp/riscos/patches/riscos. Since doing so crashes have been less frequent. -- Tony Albert To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 9 14:45:31 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47520 for opro ; Thu, 09 Oct 97 14:45:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876404743:14:07602:50; Thu, 09 Oct 97 14:45:43 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aq0926285; 9 Oct 97 14:45 BST From:(Graham Allan) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 13:10:45 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: PS output To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971009.131045.47@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:33:53 -0500 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c >To the best of my knwoledge PDF is just a binary version of PostScript and as >the printers accept PostScript and not PDF that means the printshops are going >to have to convert PDF->PS to print anyway. In which case you could just >save them the hassle by providing PS. Many places are too dim to know how to send PS files to their printer. Especially if you are trying to produce output yourself at a Kinkos-like bureau. I have even seen these people use Distiller to convert a perfectly good PS file to PDF, to send to a PS printer! (anyone know how to send a pre-existing PS file to PS network printer in WinNT?) So I do actually feel that a simple PDF output filter - or even a PDFwriter printer driver, as a seperate product - would be quite useful. Graham To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 9 19:00:45 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47536 for opro ; Thu, 09 Oct 97 19:00:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876405004:14:08749:46; Thu, 09 Oct 97 14:50:04 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id as0926285; 9 Oct 97 14:49 BST From:(Koalasoft) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 13:11:49 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applet idea To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971009.131149.48@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 09:36:15 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 06 Oct, Martin Devon wrote: > In on Wed 01 Oct, Peter Daniel wrote: > > Would anyone like to write an applet to read and maybe even save > > Micro$oft Word files? > > > > I suggest this is the single most fundamental foreign file import O-Pro > could have. > > Word files are de-facto the standard for WP files and I am incessantly > asked to extract text from Word to import into O-Pro. Claris Works is another format, used a lot down here, even on DOS systems. > > To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk > with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l > To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Alan Jones Koala Soft PO Box 157, Winmalee. NSW 2777 AUSTRALIA To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 9 19:00:53 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47538 for opro ; Thu, 09 Oct 97 19:00:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876405193:14:09711:47; Thu, 09 Oct 97 14:53:13 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id au0926285; 9 Oct 97 14:52 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 13:10:25 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971009.131025.99@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 97 15:12:31 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From:(Argomail User bk52) > RTF exporter written. If you want to, by all means continue, but the >Would that be Rob Clark? Yes. From:(Alan Muscat) >I will probably buy a second-hand copy of Word, about version 6. That would >be the best, and if I need to I'll export from Word as RTF. You do read highly amusing stories in Mac World about the differences between Word 6 and 7... From:("Peter Daniel") >I have spent a lot of time trying to get booklets to print correctly. >Here are some suggestions. >... Looks a bit over complex. Why not just do your booklet on standard A4 pages and then use the Pamphlet print format? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 9 19:00:59 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47540 for opro ; Thu, 09 Oct 97 19:00:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876405428:09:09165:53; Thu, 09 Oct 97 14:57:08 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aw0926285; 9 Oct 97 14:56 BST From:(Martin Tillman) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 13:11:06 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: The Black Art of Printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971009.131106.35@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 18:48:09 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971006.090840.30@risc.demon.co.uk> Peter Bond wrote: > > I want to print an A5 booklet on A4 paper. [snip] > > So why does Ovation insist that I need to scale the page by 66 > > percent in order to avoid the claimed-by-Ovation printing limit of > > 15.5mm from the bottom? [snip] > I'm not sure that you have told us enough, for instance, are your > original pages A4? Yep. > Because it works ok for me! :-O > I've just set up a dummy job with 4 A4 pages, printed Pamphlet-wise > onto Landscape A4 and OPro set the scaling to 71% (using ArcFax to > print to). Landscape? Sorry, I don't understand. If I do this Ovation wants to scale it to 35%. If I have the A4 set to portrait, then pamphlet print it, Ovation sets the scale to 71% (then says it won't fit due to printer margins) and lays the pages onto the A4 in landscape fashion in order to make an A5 portrait pamphlet. However, the main problem is the pages are not centered on the resulant A5 page, although they look fine on screen. -- m. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 9 19:01:11 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47542 for opro ; Thu, 09 Oct 97 19:01:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876405642:14:12419:46; Thu, 09 Oct 97 15:00:42 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ad0926285; 9 Oct 97 15:00 BST From:(Tom Tanner) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 13:11:26 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: PS output To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971009.131126.72@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 21:34:38 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Matthew Hambley wrote: > > > > PDF import/export would be a thousand times more useful. All printshops > > accepts PDF. > To the best of my knwoledge PDF is just a binary version of > PostScript and as the printers accept PostScript and not PDF that > means the printshops are going to have to convert PDF->PS to print > anyway. In which case you could just save them the hassle by > providing PS. Ah, no, PDF is a tad more portable than postscript for various reasons, and output device independant. So the (the print shop) can print the PDF file using appropriate drivers for their imagesetter, even if it is something mighty obscure, and get no problems. I THINK pdf resets itself at the end of every page as well, which quite a lot of postscript output drivers signally fail to do (eg Quark, Acrobat Reader (!!!)), and they can be absolute hell to put through an imposition program. Of course, if you can make your PDF file look like one big page, then the printing house might prefer postscript! -- Regards (PC) / Love from (non PC but nicer) [delete as applicable] Thos -- T. R. Tanner email: ttehtann@argonet.co.uk; ZFC A; Clanorak and StrongArmed web page: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/ttehtann Warning: Here be random taglines! .... 1987: Acorn releases the world's first 32-bit RISC-computer :-p Apple! To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 10 15:30:22 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47590 for opro ; Fri, 10 Oct 97 15:30:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876469960:10:12158:110; Fri, 10 Oct 97 08:52:40 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1111502; 10 Oct 97 8:52 BST From:(Mr J P Kerslake) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 13:13:13 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: RiScript Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971009.131313.89@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 97 17:08:46 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c > From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 3 11:09:15 1997 > From: Alan Muscat > Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk > Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 08:57:00 +0100 > Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts > Subject: RiScript Pro > To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L > Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk > X-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 22:41:53 +0100 > X-Maillist: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS > X-Apparently-From: > X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c > Content-Length: 579 > > > ...as we are discussing postscript problems at the > moment... > > At the last Wakefield show I had a look at Riscript Pro. > It seemed excellent for viewing postscript files > as well as pdf files. I would have bought it > had I had the money. > > However, I have not seen any full reviews of this > software, nor heard anyone raving about it. Is > anyone here using it? > > Alan Muscat > -- > **************Grapevine Digital Arts********** > > > To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk > with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l > To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l > > could you send me the in fo as well? John Percy Kerslake, kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Pager 01426-235878, Webb http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Dysliexia rules k o My spell checker dosen't work with my mail package I am writing this at work on a sun sparc station To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 10 15:30:31 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47592 for opro ; Fri, 10 Oct 97 15:30:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876470056:14:09583:45; Fri, 10 Oct 97 08:54:16 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ad1111502; 10 Oct 97 8:54 BST From:(Martin Devon) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 13:14:19 +0100 Organization: Subject: Applet idea - Word conversion To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971009.131419.35@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 19:44:57 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 07 Oct, Sveinung W. Tengelsen wrote: > On Mon 06 Oct, Martin Devon wrote: > > In on Wed 01 Oct, Peter Daniel wrote: > > > Would anyone like to write an applet to read and maybe even save > > > Micro$oft Word files? > > > > > > > I suggest this is the single most fundamental foreign file import O-Pro > > could have. > > Rubbish. Support for Quark Xpress-files would be infinitely more useful > in the context OP is dealing with (desktop design/page-layout). There > already is W6/7 import/export-facilities in the RISC OS *word-processing*- > program Easiwriter/Techwriter (supplied by Icon Technology). *Yes* it > could be useful to have same functionality in OP, but I'd never insist > on it. Rubbish. I reiterate what I have written. In this school, which is well known in the RiscOS/Education world, O-Pro is used as the universal WP/DTP package, as was Ovation before it. It is the best tool for its purpose. Specialised writers for specialised purposes are completely impractical. I have never seen a Quark Xpress file. On the other hand I am presented with Word files for hand-conversion on almost a daily basis. > > > Word files are de-facto the standard for WP files and I am incessantly > > asked to extract text from Word to import into O-Pro. > > Ovation Pro isn't a word-processor!!! Fish... :/ Yes it is, and a very good one at that. And with a site licence, I have several hundred votes... -- Martin Devon IT Consultant Stonar School To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 10 15:30:42 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47594 for opro ; Fri, 10 Oct 97 15:30:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876470138:14:10060:63; Fri, 10 Oct 97 08:55:38 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id af1111502; 10 Oct 97 8:55 BST From:(Ernst Dinkla) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 13:09:44 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: RiScript Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971009.130944.51@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:41:40 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Alan Muscat wrote: > > ...as we are discussing postscript problems at the > moment... > > At the last Wakefield show I had a look at Riscript Pro. > It seemed excellent for viewing postscript files > as well as pdf files. I would have bought it > had I had the money. > > However, I have not seen any full reviews of this > software, nor heard anyone raving about it. Is > anyone here using it? A full review is beyond my capabilities. I can give you an impression. Let me start with the negative aspects in telegram style; Doesn't do clipping so with some files you get weird effects. This is very important if you want to use it for im- and export of vectorfiles. Has to be solved in the program itself as Draw doesn't support clipping. GDraw does but isn't free and to expensive as I was told by the writers of RSP. I don't find it userfriendly, PDF by Leo Smiers turns the page automagically in the right position, RSP doesn't. Four icons on the iconbar if you use all the functions is too much. A pageformat that isn't one of the standard pagesizes isn't accepted. You have to rename it in an A format in the PS-file to get it working. Some PS and PDF files aren't accepted for other reasons. Sometimes hypertext functions are supported, quite often not. No direct printing yet. Saves only one format yet; Draw. Positive; Supports PS, EPS, PDF Does a wonderfull job on fontconverting; Type1 and Multiple Master and more. Better editable text or by choice a better display of text than the PD PDF reader. Good and fast display of all aspects of publications; bitmap, vector, colour and font. Good index of documents. Gives more information in general. A lot of EPS files that I gathered for import in ArtWorks that didn't work are accepted by RSP. This all IHMO and IMHE After all the acronyms; my son's soccerclub is called RPC, he plays in C1. -- Even a blind pig finds an acorn sometimes. Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 10 15:30:53 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47596 for opro ; Fri, 10 Oct 97 15:30:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876470226:10:13138:46; Fri, 10 Oct 97 08:57:06 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ah1111502; 10 Oct 97 8:56 BST From:(MattLB) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 13:10:05 +0100 Organization: University of Kent at Canterbury Subject: OP bugs... To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971009.131005.72@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 14:26:51 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Annoying as it is to criticise the program that's freed me from using MSWord, I appear to have found a couple of bugs in OP: 1) With a document loaded, with the default Master frame choose PAGE>Edit master pages. On the Master pages choose PAGE>Page guidelines and change the number of columns to 2.Click OK. Click the master pages close icon to return to the document. If you now click undo the machine freezes, apart from pointer. An Alt-Break frees the computer, but quits OP so you lose your work. There are a couple of interesting additional features to this: if, after closing the master pages, you click on the page you will select the frame. If you now click undo the frame is deselected (as you would expect). Clicking undo again returns you to frozen-computer-ville. The second aspect of this bug is that it doesn't happen if you're altering 3 columns to 2 and then clicking undo, or changing 2 columns to one and clicking undo. In both cases undo returns you to the edit master pages window. 2) This is less a bug and more an irritation. Starting again with default frames go, once again, to Page guidelines on the master pages window. The default is A4 with H297mm W210mm and Sideways unticked. Tick Sideways and return to the document which is now A4 on its side. Returning to the Page guidelines it is now A4 H210mm W297mm,but Sideways is unticked, even though the measurements are for A4 on its side. Clicking sideways now reverses the measurements, so you're back to vertical A4, but with the sideways option ticked. Simply rechoosing A4 from the pop-up menu corrects the problem, so it's not a major bug. I may be misunderstanding what sideways is for ie it just flips the measurements, rather than forcing a sideways (landscape) orientation, in which case ignore this. Both of these have easy work-arounds, but an unforseen freezing in between backups could be very frustrating. Does anyone/everyone else get the same results? I'm using RISCOS 3.7(with patches) and version 2.46, although I think the same happened before I upgraded to 2.46. Matt To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 10 15:31:02 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47598 for opro ; Fri, 10 Oct 97 15:31:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876471558:10:18885:48; Fri, 10 Oct 97 09:19:18 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1116797; 10 Oct 97 9:18 BST From:(Graham Jones) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:06:49 +0100 Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe Subject: Re: PS output To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971010.090649.45@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 16:10:08 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Graham Allan wrote: > (anyone know how to send a pre-existing PS file to PS network printer > in WinNT?) I'm not using WinNT but in Win95 the only solution I have found is to get Ghostview and use it's 'Print File' option. For myself I wouldn't see PS output as highly important - I've been able to do everything I want using the Acorn drivers. However there doesn't seem to be anything yet which will create PDF, output in that format would be a step forward. Graham Jones. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 10 15:31:10 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47600 for opro ; Fri, 10 Oct 97 15:31:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876471819:10:19882:57; Fri, 10 Oct 97 09:23:39 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ad1116797; 10 Oct 97 9:23 BST From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:06:30 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971010.090630.96@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 18:51:07 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c David Pilling wrote: > From:(Alan Muscat) > >I will probably buy a second-hand copy of Word, about version 6. That would > >be the best, and if I need to I'll export from Word as RTF. > You do read highly amusing stories in Mac World about the differences > between Word 6 and 7... Even funnier :-( if you try to load a Word 97 document into Word 6 without the recently released patch. Dave -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes/index.htm News and mail with the help of Pluto V 0.30f To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 10 15:31:19 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47602 for opro ; Fri, 10 Oct 97 15:31:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876472039:14:22875:41; Fri, 10 Oct 97 09:27:19 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id af1116797; 10 Oct 97 9:26 BST From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:07:08 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applet idea To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971010.090708.86@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 19:03:39 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c davidlewin@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/6/97 9:44:42AM, you write: > << > Would anyone like to write an applet to read and maybe even save > > Micro$oft Word files? >> > I want to add my vote to this idea. My customers use MSWord, and would > not know a DDF or RTF if it bit them. > The option of keeping my own copy of MSWord sounds a good stop gap, but > I do not have a copy as yet. I am still Windows 3.11. > David Lewin Eh! MSWord version 6, probably one of the most used WP's in the world, came out during the reign of MS-Windows 3.11. It's still used by a lot of people who've not upgraded to W95 and also by a lot of W95 users who consider the HD and Ram overheads of W97 a stupid waste of resources. Cheers Dave -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes/index.htm News and mail with the help of Pluto V 0.30f To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 13 22:15:48 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47670 for opro ; Mon, 13 Oct 97 22:15:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876728446:09:10490:134; Mon, 13 Oct 97 08:40:46 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab0910351; 13 Oct 97 8:40 BST From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:07:28 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971010.090728.49@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 18:56:24 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c David Pilling wrote: > From:("Peter Daniel") > >I have spent a lot of time trying to get booklets to print correctly. > >Here are some suggestions. > >... > Looks a bit over complex. Why not just do your booklet on standard A4 > pages > and then use the Pamphlet print format? > David Pilling I agree... And I must compliment David P on his excellent work in this respect... Printing pamphlets from Ov Pro is the easiest I've ever tried. And believe me, I've had a go at printing pamphlets from some real pigs of applications in the past. Thanks David David (A different one) -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes/index.htm News and mail with the help of Pluto V 0.30f To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 13 22:16:00 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47675 for opro ; Mon, 13 Oct 97 22:15:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876728533:09:11257:40; Mon, 13 Oct 97 08:42:13 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ad0910351; 13 Oct 97 8:41 BST From: jevans@jevans.demon.co.uk Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:05:50 +0100 Organization: @jevans.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Ovation keeps crashing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971010.090550.54@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 13:53:15 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c As requested, more details on how this error is produced. It is produced in two ways but they are probably related. 1) OPro is running and then a basic application is run, eg Teletext+ or one of my programs. When Basic program ends the machine hangs for a little while and then produces the error and OPro aborts. No other programs are affected. However, sometimes the filer module screws up and no programs can save their files getting the error Invalid number. 2) A basic program has already run and then OPro is loaded and the initial screen comes up, however at this point it hangs and produces the error. No other modules or programs are affected. If you need any more details please ask John In message <19971006.091106.66@risc.demon.co.uk> you recently said: >Since upgrading to 2.46 I keep on getting the following error:- > >Internal error, no stack for trap handler >Data abort pc=600A94C4 registers at 115230 > >What does this mean? Obviously this is to do with memory allocation but I >have a RISC PC with 16 MB RAM & 2MB VRAM. There is loads of spare memory >left in the system memory and system heap/stack. How much is it expecting to >allocate anyway? > >This sort of message is so unhelpful and seems to be the norm with so many >applications. I expect it of free/shareware applications but when you buy a >commercial package I expect more. > >Anyone able to help will be very much appreciated > > > > >To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk >with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l >To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l > > To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 13 22:16:08 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47679 for opro ; Mon, 13 Oct 97 22:16:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876728651:10:06326:40; Mon, 13 Oct 97 08:44:11 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id af0910351; 13 Oct 97 8:43 BST From:(Peter Bond) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:07:47 +0100 Organization: home Subject: Re: The Black Art of Printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971010.090747.65@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 20:17:10 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971009.131106.35@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > In message <19971006.090840.30@risc.demon.co.uk> > Peter Bond wrote: > > > > I want to print an A5 booklet on A4 paper. > [snip] > > > So why does Ovation insist that I need to scale the page by 66 > > > percent in order to avoid the claimed-by-Ovation printing limit of > > > 15.5mm from the bottom? > [snip] > > I'm not sure that you have told us enough, for instance, are your > > original pages A4? > > Yep. > > > Because it works ok for me! > > :-O Sorry - I was wrong :-( > > > I've just set up a dummy job with 4 A4 pages, printed Pamphlet- wise > > onto Landscape A4 and OPro set the scaling to 71% (using ArcFax to > > print to). > > Landscape? Sorry, I don't understand. If I do this Ovation wants to > scale it to 35%. If I have the A4 set to portrait, then pamphlet > print it, Ovation sets the scale to 71% (then says it won't fit due to > printer margins) and lays the pages onto the A4 in landscape fashion > in order to make an A5 portrait pamphlet. > > However, the main problem is the pages are not centered on the > resulant A5 page, although they look fine on screen. Yes, they aren't. As I said, I have always used A5 onto A4, and have just printed at 100% - never used Fit. Fit tells me 93%. *Neither* centre on the page but I think 100% is a touch better than 93%! I hadn't noticed because when I do this there is a fair margin and it doesn't show too badly. What says the Master? (Erm, Landscape is sideways?) -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 13 22:16:16 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47683 for opro ; Mon, 13 Oct 97 22:16:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876728674:09:11763:109; Mon, 13 Oct 97 08:44:34 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ah0910351; 13 Oct 97 8:44 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:06:10 +0100 Organization: Subject: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971010.090610.32@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 97 18:11:01 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From:(Phil Dennison) >I have been trying to print two documents containing large sprite files >using OvationPro 2.46, and TurboDrivers with a HP DJ550c printer. The >problem is that the pictures print reversed, ie as a mirror image, though >they appear fine on the screen. Mirroring is odd. Flipped upside down, is well understood. It's the oddity about CC drivers - you need the CCprfix file in your library directory, get the latest one off the OPro web pages. If everything on the page is mirrored check that the 'Reflect' print option is not selected. From:(Tony Albert) >> Internal error, no stack for trap handler >> Data abort pc=600A94C4 registers at 115230 >I had a similar error message when using Ant Internet Suite (and, I think, >with OPro). I was advised to download and install riscos360+370.arc from the >Acorn web site - according to Archive magazine >www.acorncom/ftp/riscos/patches/riscos. Since doing so crashes have been >less frequent. Certainly true that there can be external reasons for such crashes. I don't want to have a monopoly on blame. From:(Graham Allan) >So I do actually feel that a simple PDF output filter - or even a >PDFwriter printer driver, as a seperate product - would be quite useful. Hmm. I couldn't get a squeak of encouragement out of Acorn earlier this year. As you once suggested, RiscScript Pro seems to offer PDF as an option. I'm not aware of any sites offering Acorn generated PDF though? From:(David J Fairweather) >I seem to have a problem with Circles (well any curved line) when >printing. >When I print this out the curved lines appear as multi-sided >polygons with rather obvious straight edges. Investigation of this, *seems* to show that if you use a CC Turbo/Laser Direct driver, and print at a scale much greater than 100%, then curves develop flat bits. Acorn drivers appear to remain smooth. I'll fix this in 2.47, but if anyone wants to argue that Acorn drivers produce flat spots too, let me know... David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 13 22:16:23 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47687 for opro ; Mon, 13 Oct 97 22:16:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876728725:10:06556:42; Mon, 13 Oct 97 08:45:25 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aj0910351; 13 Oct 97 8:45 BST From:(Martin Tillman) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 13:13:57 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971009.131357.34@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 19:04:26 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971006.090643.26@risc.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > From:(Martin Tillman) > > I want to print an A5 booklet on A4 paper. 'Pamphlet printing' > > seems designed to do just this (and better than Publisher too - no > > arcane > > I know from many, many experiments that my BJC600 and Turbo Driver > > will print to within 10.5mm of the bottom of a sheet of A4. So > > why does Ovation insist that I need to scale the page by 66 > > percent in order to avoid the claimed-by-Ovation printing limit of > > 15.5mm from the bottom? > Two ideas. Firstly the paper size for the printer has to have the > correct margins. Well, with my printer I can print to 10.5 mm from the bottom. This is the value I've entered for my custom A4 page. > For example A4 Generic DP has a bottom margin of 20mm. If OPro is > getting 15.5mm from anywhere it is > from the printer drivers paper size definition. The margin is shown on screen as 10.5mm when the scaling is 100%. When I select pamphlet printing Ovation sets the scaling to 71% and the margin on screen changes to *appear* to be 15.5mm. This may be a red herring as the page is going to be scaled, so the ruler wouldn't really be real m.m.s anymore, would it? Or do I just not fully understand what's really going on? [snip] > I think there also has to be a general get out over the absolute > accuracy you can expect from RISC OS when printing scaled down and > any printer. I wouldn't demand absolute accuracy. A m.m. either way is just about acceptable. > But the bottom line is, check the paper size. Checked and re-checked endlessly over the years... Leaving aside scaling and margins, the major problem is that the two 'A5' pages printed on one side of A4 are not *printed* where they are shown to be on screen. So a frame centred on an A4 page doesn't result in two centred A5 frames when scaled. I've been sent a template by Roger King that addresses just this problem. It's two linked A4 pages. The right hand page has it's frame off centre by 10mm (that is it's been moved 20mm to the right) and the frame on the left page is off centre by 2.5mm (moved 5mm to the left). This results in my printer producing an almost perfectly centred pair of pages. So, I'm not the first person to have come across this situation. -- m. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 13 22:16:36 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47690 for opro ; Mon, 13 Oct 97 22:16:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876728790:14:01223:51; Mon, 13 Oct 97 08:46:30 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id al0910351; 13 Oct 97 8:46 BST From:(Tim King) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 13:15:02 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: The Black Art of Printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971009.131502.68@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 11:10:18 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 07 Oct, Peter Daniel wrote: > I have spent a lot of time trying to get booklets to print correctly. > Here are some suggestions. > > Method 1 > > Create a new document that has a page size of A4 and is landscape. Setup > the master frame to have a margin of 0mm all the way round. > > Now create a frame with the following properties: > > X - 14.96 Y - 14.96 W - 266.93 H - 180.09 > > columns - 2 gutter - 30 column width - 118.46 > > (all sizes in mm) > > Treat the two 'columns' as A5 pages and type your text in to them, > alternatively use them as guides for creating text frames. To get a new set etc. Ok, I haven't tried it, but I can't see how it would work for a booklet. Surely the pagination would be all to ... whatever. Page 3, for instance, would be the 2nd to last page in the book! > > OK, this is relatively straightforward... > > > > I want to print an A5 booklet on A4 paper. 'Pamphlet printing' seems > > designed to do just this (and better than Publisher too - no arcane > > re-arranging of the paper order to print the other side :-) ). Yep. > > However... > > > > > > I know from many, many experiments that my BJC600 and Turbo Driver will > > print to within 10.5mm of the bottom of a sheet of A4. So why does > > Ovation insist that I need to scale the page by 66 percent in What's all this scaling that people do? Good design practice says that if you want an A5 booklet, you make it A5 from the start. WYSIWYG. A5 facing pages, set all the margins, frames etc as they will end up. It doesn't matter what size paper you print it on. A4, 100%, centred. Or OS A4, or A3 even, with crops, reg's etc and guillotine it down. Or impose it onto A3 or A2 film. Whatever. If you make the page as an A5 original, and set the type at 7pt say, then you'll get 7pt body copy. Make the page at A4, and you'll have to set text at... um. And if you want your captions to end up at 6pt, then set them at... And when you're scaling that scan to fit in a frame of xy, then you'll want to adjust the scaling because it's actually going to be output 33% smaller. And so on. I've done lot's of booklets (50-100 pgs) that get lasered straight onto A4 with not even the suggestion of them coming out differently to expectations. The bigger stuff (eg 300 pg books), also not a problem (though I would like incremental guttering ;-). Tim -- Complexity and Contradiction - in search of the absurd, the terrifying, and the fragile Tim King, De-Sign: ph +64 9 4783114, fax +64 9 4783164 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 13 22:16:55 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47693 for opro ; Mon, 13 Oct 97 22:16:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876729483:14:05025:40; Mon, 13 Oct 97 08:58:03 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ad0915027; 13 Oct 97 8:57 BST From:(Alan Muscat) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:53:35 +0100 Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts Subject: RiScript To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971013.085335.80@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:54:21 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Did you see the info by Ernst Dinkla on Riscript Pro? -- **************Grapevine Digital Arts********** To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 13 22:17:08 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47695 for opro ; Mon, 13 Oct 97 22:17:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876729552:14:05462:47; Mon, 13 Oct 97 08:59:12 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ah0915027; 13 Oct 97 8:58 BST From:(Alan Muscat) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:53:56 +0100 Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts Subject: Re: PS output To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971013.085356.11@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:25:40 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971009.131045.47@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Especially if you are trying to produce output yourself at a Kinkos-like > bureau. What's one of those Alan -- **************Grapevine Digital Arts********** To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 13 22:17:24 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47697 for opro ; Mon, 13 Oct 97 22:17:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876729632:10:09530:47; Mon, 13 Oct 97 09:00:32 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id al0915027; 13 Oct 97 9:00 BST From:(Hank van der Wijngaart) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:54:34 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applet idea - MS-Word import To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971013.085434.96@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 12:12:02 +0900 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c > In on Wed 01 Oct, Peter Daniel wrote: > Would anyone like to write an applet to read and maybe even save > Micro$oft Word files? > > Yes please to that as well. > Hank ================================================================ Using a RiscPC! Powered by a 200MHz StongARM processor. A fast and powerful 32 bit RISC machine. and now running Win95 with Office 97 inside the RiscOS desktop! ================================================================ To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 13 22:17:35 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47699 for opro ; Mon, 13 Oct 97 22:17:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876729786:14:06976:46; Mon, 13 Oct 97 09:03:06 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id an0915027; 13 Oct 97 9:02 BST From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:51:56 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: OP bugs... To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971013.085156.81@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:32:24 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c MattLB wrote: > 1) With a document loaded, with the default Master > frame choose PAGE>Edit master pages. On the Master > pages choose PAGE>Page guidelines and change the > number of columns to 2.Click OK. Click the master > pages close icon to return to the document. If you > now click undo the machine freezes, apart from > pointer. An Alt-Break frees the computer, but > quits OP so you lose your work. I've just tried the above and it doesn't happen on my machine. StrongArm RPC and OP 2.46. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 13 22:17:46 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47701 for opro ; Mon, 13 Oct 97 22:17:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876730005:10:11032:40; Mon, 13 Oct 97 09:06:45 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ap0915027; 13 Oct 97 9:05 BST From:(A et J leraut) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:52:18 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applet idea - Word conversion To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971013.085218.15@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:40:37 +0200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c >> Rubbish. Support for Quark Xpress-files would be infinitely more useful >> in the context OP is dealing with (desktop design/page-layout). There >> already is W6/7 import/export-facilities in the RISC OS *word-processing*- >> program Easiwriter/Techwriter (supplied by Icon Technology). *Yes* it >> could be useful to have same functionality in OP, but I'd never insist >> on it. >From Alain LERAUT, somewhere in France... and with a poor English (sorry...). At my office (where I am working) they use MAC with XPress and PCs. Sometimes, I carry my Risc PC with O.Pro to work on some DTP. The people have said it is fine ! But it will be better if I could export/import my work with X Press. >> Ovation Pro isn't a word-processor!!! Fish... :/ I think so > >Yes it is, and a very good one at that. And with a site licence, I have >several hundred votes... For me : one only license. Alain To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 13 22:18:13 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47703 for opro ; Mon, 13 Oct 97 22:18:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876730099:10:11294:114; Mon, 13 Oct 97 09:08:19 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ar0915027; 13 Oct 97 9:08 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:52:55 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971013.085255.65@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 97 19:30:45 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From:(Ernst Dinkla) >Subject: Re: RiScript Pro I seem to have picked up the (erroneous?) idea that at the upcoming show Alternative Publishing will have a version of ImageFS that will read PS and PDF files. From:(MattLB) >1) With a document loaded, with the default Master >frame choose PAGE>Edit master pages. On the Master >pages choose PAGE>Page guidelines and change the >number of columns to 2.Click OK. Click the master >pages close icon to return to the document. If you >now click undo the machine freezes, apart from >pointer. An Alt-Break frees the computer, but >quits OP so you lose your work. This actually works OK on my copy - 2.47. >The default is A4 with H297mm W210mm and Sideways >unticked. Tick Sideways and return to the document >which is now A4 on its side. Returning to the Page >guidelines it is now A4 H210mm W297mm,but Sideways This is now fixed. I can't recall when I fixed it... I would have guessed @ 2.46, but certainly 2.47 is OK. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 13 22:18:26 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47705 for opro ; Mon, 13 Oct 97 22:18:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876730318:09:19960:70; Mon, 13 Oct 97 09:11:58 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id at0915027; 13 Oct 97 9:10 BST From:(Steven Pampling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:54:15 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: OP bugs... To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971013.085415.49@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 07:58:45 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c MattLB wrote: > Annoying as it is to criticise the program that's freed me from > using MSWord, I appear to have found a couple of bugs in OP: > 1) With a document loaded, with the default Master frame choose > PAGE>Edit master pages. On the Master pages choose PAGE>Page > guidelines and change the number of columns to 2.Click OK. Click the > master pages close icon to return to the document. If you now click > undo the machine freezes, apart from pointer. An Alt-Break frees the > computer, but quits OP so you lose your work. Nope doesn't happen to me, simply goes back to the master page edit, as you'd expect. Same revision OS, with patches, and OvPro 2.46. What Applets do you have active? > 2) Now your second point - does happen, but as you say it's merely an irritation - although I hadn't even noticed it previously. SteveP -- steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk or camra@argonet.co.uk for CAMRA items ZFC A * Campaign for Real Ale, Warwickshire Area Organiser * * "Cracking Toast Grommit" - Wallace * * "Cracking Real Ale Grommit" - Wallace's brother * To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 13 22:18:34 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47710 for opro ; Mon, 13 Oct 97 22:18:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876730462:14:11380:62; Mon, 13 Oct 97 09:14:22 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac0915027; 13 Oct 97 9:14 BST From:(Graham Allan) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:52:36 +0100 Organization: Subject: RE: Applet idea - Word conversion To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971013.085236.44@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:46:49 -0500 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Martin Devon >On Tue 07 Oct, Sveinung W. Tengelsen wrote: >> >> Rubbish. Support for Quark Xpress-files would be infinitely more useful >> in the context OP is dealing with (desktop design/page-layout). There >> already is W6/7 import/export-facilities in the RISC OS *word-processing*- >> program Easiwriter/Techwriter (supplied by Icon Technology). *Yes* it >> could be useful to have same functionality in OP, but I'd never insist >> on it. > >Rubbish. I reiterate what I have written. In this school, which is well known >in the RiscOS/Education world, O-Pro is used as the universal WP/DTP package, >as was Ovation before it. It is the best tool for its purpose. Specialised >writers for specialised purposes are completely impractical. > >I have never seen a Quark Xpress file. On the other hand I am presented with >Word files for hand-conversion on almost a daily basis. Here's my, perhaps worthless or ill conceived, thought on the subject. The MS-Word file format is now supposedly public, so writing a converter for that is at least feasible. As far as I know, the Quark file format is not available. Not that I've looked... Converting files between very different *layout* packages like Quark and Pagemaker seems like a big and relatively rare task to me. Layout gets done in one package and generally stays there. Don't have PM and QXP to hand here, but I don't see any import/export options (beyond RTF) available in Framemaker... even to exchange files with PM, another Adobe product. On the other hand, people working in Quark / PM / OvPro are frequently not the people producing the raw content of their documents, and the text often is provided in wordprocessor format, such as Word. So, a Word import filter is quite a big plus here. Graham To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 13 22:18:42 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47714 for opro ; Mon, 13 Oct 97 22:18:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876730677:14:12768:46; Mon, 13 Oct 97 09:17:57 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aw0915027; 13 Oct 97 9:17 BST From:(Keith Parker) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:53:14 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applet idea - Word conversion To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971013.085314.09@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 97 22:50:13 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Thu 9 Oct 97 (13:14:19 +0100), m.r.devon@bath.ac.uk wrote: > > > I suggest this is the single most fundamental foreign file import > > > O-Pro could have. > > Rubbish. Support for Quark Xpress-files would be infinitely more > > useful in the context OP is dealing with (desktop design/page-layout). > > There already is W6/7 import/export-facilities in the RISC OS > > *word-processing*- program Easiwriter/Techwriter (supplied by Icon > > Technology). *Yes* it could be useful to have same functionality in OP,= > > but I'd never insist on it. > Rubbish. I reiterate what I have written. In this school, which is > well known in the RiscOS/Education world, O-Pro is used as the > universal WP/DTP package, as was Ovation before it. It is the best tool > for its purpose. Specialised writers for specialised purposes are > completely impractical. I think that both of you are looking at OvationPro from different perspecti= ves. Sveinung is quite right that in professional DTP the ability to read/w= rite to Quark XPress is far more important, but from your viewpoint Word is= the main target. As OPro is a brilliant DTP/Page Layout program as well as= an extremely capable WP it would be nice to have both. > I have never seen a Quark Xpress file. On the other hand I am presented > with Word files for hand-conversion on almost a daily basis. How many children have access to Quark XPress at home ... very few at aroun= d =A3550 a time! > > > Word files are de-facto the standard for WP files and I am > > > incessantly asked to extract text from Word to import into O-Pro. > > Ovation Pro isn't a word-processor!!! Fish... :/ > Yes it is, and a very good one at that. And with a site licence, I have > several hundred votes... >From Sveinungs veiwpoint (and mine) it is a pagelayout program ... first an= d foremost :-) How about having an EPS Import/Export capability as well as Word Import/?Ex= port ... a lot but its worth asking ;-) Keith -- keithp@argonet.co.uk | suep@argonet.co.u= k Supporting British RISC technology :-) | A teacher using PCs and Macs :-= ( To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 14 13:56:07 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47789 for opro ; Tue, 14 Oct 97 13:56:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876815994:14:10413:40; Tue, 14 Oct 97 08:59:54 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1410067; 14 Oct 97 8:59 BST From:(Ovation Mailing List) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:47:57 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applet idea To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971014.084757.85@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:31:11 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Wed 01 Oct, "Peter Daniel" wrote: > Would anyone like to write an applet to read and maybe even save > Micro$oft Word files? Have a look at http://www.regretta.demon.co.uk/andrew/ -- Chris Miles To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 14 16:09:02 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47811 for opro ; Tue, 14 Oct 97 16:09:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876835155:05:29730:40; Tue, 14 Oct 97 14:19:15 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1529424; 14 Oct 97 14:19 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2026279; 14 Oct 97 14:18 BST From: Graham Allan Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:47:39 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: PS output To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971014.084739.23@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:43:51 -0500 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Alan Muscat wrote: >In message <19971009.131045.47@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > >> Especially if you are trying to produce output yourself at a Kinkos-like >> bureau. > >What's one of those I forget what the equivalent chain would be in the uk... a print/copy shop where they also have a bunch of Macs and things which you can use by the hour/minute, scan, print stuff out on colour laser, etc. Graham To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 14 16:09:03 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47812 for opro ; Tue, 14 Oct 97 16:09:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876835892:10:28553:79; Tue, 14 Oct 97 14:31:32 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1409432; 14 Oct 97 14:30 BST From:(Ernst Dinkla) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:46:59 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971014.084659.47@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:12:43 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c David Pilling wrote: > From:(Ernst Dinkla) > >Subject: Re: RiScript Pro > > I seem to have picked up the (erroneous?) idea that at the upcoming show > Alternative Publishing will have a version of ImageFS that will read PS and > PDF files. To be honest I was surprised when you wrote that. On the other hand it isn't contradicting other information I have for some time. We will know fast enough I guess. ImageFS needs an upgrade on vector formats anyhow and this would be the best news. Especially if it has a solution for clipping. Ernst -- Even a blind pig finds an acorn sometimes Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 14 16:09:11 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47815 for opro ; Tue, 14 Oct 97 16:09:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876835980:09:28753:38; Tue, 14 Oct 97 14:33:00 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1409432; 14 Oct 97 14:32 BST From:(Fred Bambrough) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:48:18 +0100 Organization: Home Subject: Re: OP bugs... To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971014.084818.85@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:10:28 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971013.085156.81@risc.demon.co.uk> rayd@argonet.co.uk (Ray Dawson) wrote: > MattLB wrote: > > > 1) With a document loaded, with the default Master > > frame choose PAGE>Edit master pages. On the Master > > pages choose PAGE>Page guidelines and change the > > number of columns to 2.Click OK. Click the master > > pages close icon to return to the document. If you > > now click undo the machine freezes, apart from > > pointer. An Alt-Break frees the computer, but > > quits OP so you lose your work. > > I've just tried the above and it doesn't happen on my machine. StrongArm > RPC and OP 2.46. Nor for me. Just re-opens the master page as one would expect. Also SA RPC & OP 2.46. -- Fred Mailto:fred@ypical.demon.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 14 16:09:12 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47816 for opro ; Tue, 14 Oct 97 16:09:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876835558:05:02139:40; Tue, 14 Oct 97 14:25:58 BST Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1500643; 14 Oct 97 14:25 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1011820; 14 Oct 97 14:24 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:46:39 +0100 Organization: Subject: List hiccup To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971014.084639.10@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:56:01 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c At the end of last week Demon seemed to be having some difficulties with their mail system. This meant that sending the mailling list out was taking four times longer than normal. This meant that the some of Thursdays and Fridays stuff didn't go out 'til Friday and Monday respectively. Some of you will be receiving and replying to mail others may not have seen, you have been warned. The mail system at Demon seemed more responsive this morning so hopefully the problem will have gone for good. Additionally, if you have problems with the list my preferred email address is ian@beebug.co.uk. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 14 16:09:21 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47819 for opro ; Tue, 14 Oct 97 16:09:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876836294:10:00673:51; Tue, 14 Oct 97 14:38:14 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1412435; 14 Oct 97 14:37 BST From:(Ariancylch) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:47:19 +0100 Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body Subject: Re: Applet idea - Word conversion To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971014.084719.61@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:53:40 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971009.131419.35@risc.demon.co.uk> Martin Devon wrote: > On Tue 07 Oct, Sveinung W. Tengelsen wrote: > > On Mon 06 Oct, Martin Devon wrote: > > > Word files are de-facto the standard for WP files and I am > > > incessantly asked to extract text from Word to import into O-Pro. > > > > Ovation Pro isn't a word-processor!!! Fish... :/ > > Yes it is, and a very good one at that. And with a site licence, I > have several hundred votes... Unless I've missed something, no, it's not. I'll concede it's a word-processor when we can happily run it in our 'old' room of Acorn machines which consist of a collection of A310's (2MB, Econet'd), A30x0 (2/4MB, Harddisc or on the Econet chain) and A4000's (2/4MB, Harddisc). With Style we can usefully do very basic wordprocessing/dtp on these machines - we can have not only Style but 'something else' loaded and useable all at once. When I first tried OvPro it, effectively, required a 4MB machine. I'm told by others in the staff that this is still the case. While I'm not suggesting that size is the only criterion for a word processor (if nothing else I agree with Sveinung's comments previously and elsewhere that the acorn market is flooded with wordprocessing options in comparison to -advanced- DTP options), however, for (our) practical purposes a word-processor that includes options for arbitrarily shaped frames, colour separations and/or 'complex' text-flow is over-specc'd and -not- a contender. In the absence of a 'real' junior version of OvPro, for us, the best option is to get people doing the 'basic' work in Impression [Style] and then run their files through a bc5->ddl converter to let them do the more advanced 'touching up' in OvPro. (In practice this is likely to remain the best solution for us, as it avoids having to teach the staff how to use another program) Speaking of Impression... * With Publisher I commonly used the 'keep [together|single|multiple|etc]' style attributes, how do you achieve the same effect in OvPro? * I'm also quite fond of the 'line above page footer' (as seen in the Impression manual, among other places). Am I correct in my belief that I can't create this effect using OvPro's footer system -without- creating a null frame to be that line? I can't see how to alter the borders of just the footer sub-frame, which I find mildly irritating... -- I won't use words again May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said places where you must walk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 14 16:09:30 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47822 for opro ; Tue, 14 Oct 97 16:09:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876836451:10:01410:46; Tue, 14 Oct 97 14:40:51 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1413597; 14 Oct 97 14:40 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:48:37 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971014.084837.68@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 97 01:44:40 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From:(Peter Bond) >> However, the main problem is the pages are not centered on the >> resulant A5 page, although they look fine on screen. >Yes, they aren't. As I said, I have always used A5 onto A4, and have >just printed at 100% - never used Fit. Fit tells me 93%. *Neither* >centre on the page but I think 100% is a touch better than 93%! I >hadn't noticed because when I do this there is a fair margin and it >doesn't show too badly. >What says the Master? The bloke in black who chased Dr. Who around disused quarries in the early 1970's? I think the point is that fit, fits the area of the paper into the printable area. Now if your printer had no margins, that would result in a scale of 100% when printing 2xA5 on A4 sideways. Given that most printers do have a margin you get a scale of less than 100%. In reality, the stuff you have on the page may not run up to the edges. So you may get away with using a scale of 100%. From:(Martin Tillman) >Well, with my printer I can print to 10.5 mm from the bottom. This is >the value I've entered for my custom A4 page. >The margin is shown on screen as 10.5mm when the scaling is 100%. Yes. >When I select pamphlet printing Ovation sets the scaling to 71% and >the margin on screen changes to *appear* to be 15.5mm. This is correct. >This may be a >red herring as the page is going to be scaled, so the ruler wouldn't >really be real m.m.s anymore, would it? Or do I just not fully >understand what's really going on? Obviously the situation is one which is open to various points of view. The print margins you see on screen, show you how much will actually appear on the paper. At 100% scale the print margins are true, as you say 10.5mm. As the scale increases the print margins will become larger - they are no longer related to the real margins on the printer, but they are correct relative to objects on the page. As you change print scale, on screen dimensions (e.g. rulers) do not change. >Leaving aside scaling and margins, the major problem is that the two >'A5' pages printed on one side of A4 are not *printed* where they are >shown to be on screen. So a frame centred on an A4 page doesn't >result in two centred A5 frames when scaled. Are results the same on different printers - thinking about a 'perfect' printer like ArcFax. >I've been sent a template by Roger King that addresses just this >problem. >So, I'm not the first person to have come across this situation. I see, a conspiracy, all sat there seething about off centre pages and saying nothing... Seriously I'd like to sort this out, but it's sort of difficult to grasp what the problem is. From:(Tim King) >I've done lot's of booklets (50-100 pgs) that get lasered straight onto A4 >with not even the suggestion of them coming out differently to expectations. >The bigger stuff (eg 300 pg books), also not a problem (though I would like >incremental guttering ;-). Creep? Piece of cake if you tweek the imposition script for the format... News ==== Right enough of boggling over print scales. I note from Archive, November 1997, page 9. That IMS have turned their transloaders into shareware. Loaders for BMP, GIF, ICO, MAC, PCX and WPG from www.ims-cdc.demon.co.uk. Probably mostly duplicated by the TransFSI loader bundled with OPro. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 15 14:24:36 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47916 for opro ; Wed, 15 Oct 97 14:24:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876904720:05:25036:40; Wed, 15 Oct 97 09:38:40 BST Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1518683; 15 Oct 97 9:38 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1014860; 15 Oct 97 9:38 BST From: "W,H, Stenfert Kroese" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:27:33 +0100 Organization: Subject: OP WProc/DTP? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971015.092733.13@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:33:21 +0100 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c What is OP? A word processor? Or a Desktop Publisher? What is a tomato? A vegetable? Or a fruit? God protect us from authorities that decide these issues! -- W.H. Stenfert Kroese To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 15 14:24:40 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47918 for opro ; Wed, 15 Oct 97 14:24:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876904849:05:25762:38; Wed, 15 Oct 97 09:40:49 BST Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1518969; 15 Oct 97 9:40 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac1015001; 15 Oct 97 9:40 BST From: Carl Cepurneek Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:28:14 +0100 Organization: Subject: *** "Re: Various" *** To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971015.092814.90@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:11:33 +0930 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c A small request to subscribers, David Pilling's contributions are typically subject lined: 'Various'; sensibly so as he economically replies to a number of different questions. It would help my, and I suspect other's, reading if those replying to David's posts ammended the subject line to reflect the actual topic of their submission. Pickey, pickey... ;-), cpc To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 15 14:24:45 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47920 for opro ; Wed, 15 Oct 97 14:24:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876904849:12:10827:40; Wed, 15 Oct 97 09:40:49 BST Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1518972; 15 Oct 97 9:40 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1015001; 15 Oct 97 9:39 BST From: julian M Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:26:32 +0100 Organization: Subject: sub/superscript To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971015.092632.06@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:38:55 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Can anyone tell me the script to add shortcut keys to achieve sub and superscript like in impression (shift-ctrl J/K), as the supplied Impkeys module doesnt contain these, and I use them a lot. also does anyone know how to get the spellchecker to recognise sub/superscript as part of words etc as I am a chemistry student and use ovp to write up my work, which contains a lot of formulea and it is tiresome having to check It manually all the time. thankyou Julian To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 15 14:24:55 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47924 for opro ; Wed, 15 Oct 97 14:24:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876905119:06:27801:41; Wed, 15 Oct 97 09:45:19 BST Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1519645; 15 Oct 97 9:44 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1015579; 15 Oct 97 9:44 BST From: Mr J P Kerslake Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:26:10 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: PS output To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971015.092610.79@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 97 10:45:38 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c > From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 14 09:10:26 1997 > From: Graham Allan > Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:47:39 +0100 > Organization: > Subject: Re: PS output > To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L > Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk > X-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:43:51 -0500 > X-Maillist: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS > X-Apparently-From: > X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c > Content-Length: 566 > > Alan Muscat wrote: > >In message <19971009.131045.47@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > >> Especially if you are trying to produce output yourself at a Kinkos-like > >> bureau. > > > >What's one of those > > I forget what the equivalent chain would be in the uk... a print/copy > shop where they also have a bunch of Macs and things which you can use > by the hour/minute, scan, print stuff out on colour laser, etc. > > Graham > > > To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk > with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l > To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l > > Do we have such a chain In the UK?. John Percy Kerslake, kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Pager 01426-235878, Webb http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Dysliexia rules k o My spell checker dosen't work with my mail package I am writing this at work on a sun sparc station To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 15 14:24:58 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47925 for opro ; Wed, 15 Oct 97 14:24:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876905188:05:27598:45; Wed, 15 Oct 97 09:46:28 BST Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1519887; 15 Oct 97 9:46 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1015772; 15 Oct 97 9:46 BST From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:26:51 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971015.092651.31@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 97 18:19:26 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From:(Ariancylch) >I'll concede it's a word-processor when we can happily run it in our >'old' room of Acorn machines which consist of a collection of A310's >(2MB, Econet'd), A30x0 (2/4MB, Harddisc or on the Econet chain) and >A4000's (2/4MB, Harddisc). >With Style we can usefully do very basic wordprocessing/dtp on these >machines - we can have not only Style but 'something else' loaded and >useable all at once. >When I first tried OvPro it, effectively, required a 4MB machine. I'm >told by others in the staff that this is still the case. How about if we bundled the old Ovation with each copy of OPro? Ovation 1.XX will run happily on small memory machines. Although Beebug once promised a cut down version of OPro, I doubt this will ever come to pass now. >Speaking of Impression... > * With Publisher I commonly used the 'keep > [together|single|multiple|etc]' style attributes, how do you achieve > the same effect in OvPro? You can't - yet. > * I'm also quite fond of the 'line above page footer' (as seen in the > Impression manual, among other places). Am I correct in my belief > that I can't create this effect using OvPro's footer system -without- > creating a null frame to be that line? I can't see how to alter the > borders of just the footer sub-frame, which I find mildly > irritating... I would guess, just draw a line on the master page above the footer? Or embed a line in the footer on the master page - the advantage of this second approach being that it won't appear if there is no footer on the first page of a chapter. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 15 14:25:06 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47928 for opro ; Wed, 15 Oct 97 14:25:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876905323:12:12377:39; Wed, 15 Oct 97 09:48:43 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0629108; 15 Oct 97 9:47 BST From:(MattLB) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:27:12 +0100 Organization: University of Kent at Canterbury Subject: Re: OP bugs... To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971015.092712.32@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:54:00 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Ray Dawson wrote: > > MattLB wrote: > > > 1) With a document loaded, with the default Master > > frame choose PAGE>Edit master pages. On the Master > > pages choose PAGE>Page guidelines and change the > > number of columns to 2.Click OK. Click the master > > pages close icon to return to the document. If you > > now click undo the machine freezes, apart from > > pointer. An Alt-Break frees the computer, but > > quits OP so you lose your work. > > I've just tried the above and it doesn't happen on my machine. StrongArm > RPC and OP 2.46. > > Ray D > Right, take two on this. After experimenting I only get the above if the file loaded in is a DOS text file, or a DOS text file saved as an OP document. To try and standardize this I used a file everyone should have, the !Help file from ChangeFSI. This is what I did: * Loaded it as it is - no problem * Loaded it into !Zap, ticked DOS file and saved (N.B. You need to unprotect it first) * Loaded it into OP, did the above and it froze as before * Loaded in the DOS file again, saved as OP document, loaded in this OP file and again it froze This is clearly harder to produce than it first appeared, but could someone try this procedure to see if it really is universal, and not just me. BTW I tried this with and without any Applets loaded. Matt To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 15 14:25:12 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47930 for opro ; Wed, 15 Oct 97 14:25:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876905425:12:12609:50; Wed, 15 Oct 97 09:50:25 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0629840; 15 Oct 97 9:49 BST From:(Tim King) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:28:34 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Creep? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971015.092834.83@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 19:06:02 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 14 Oct, David Pilling wrote: ... > > The bigger stuff (eg 300 pg books), also not a problem (though I would > > like incremental guttering ;-). > > Creep? Piece of cake if you tweek the imposition script for the format... Ha ha, David. For you, tweek is a 5 letter word. For someone like me it's about as long as the big Oxford! (Actually, I had a look, and assume all one needs do is change the 6mm... ? But then, ) The way I've used it so far is for perfect binding - A5 originals to A3 film - and what's there works perfectly. The printed pages are folded in half, guillotined down the middle, 1 pile stacked on top of the other, glued, then trimmed. Viola. What I was (I thought mischievously) alluding to was the possibility of doing stitched binding where the folded sheets would be collated into a 32 pg signature, say, and then the outside edges would be trimmed. This would mean that on that A3 sheet, the pages of 2 of the pairs would have to be closer to each other to compensate for the thickness of the fold. Then the pages on the next sheet would have to be closer again (and likewise, the middle set of pairs closer than the other). Creep would then be an incremental thing over the span of the signature, and be dependent on paper stock. I'm assuming the applet doesn't do this? (I mean, how many high quality, stitched books get made these days?) If you tell me it does apply an incremental creep, then I'll have to read the rest of your reply from the floor. The rest of your reply would be to tell me how to do that tweeking ;-) thanks:tim -- Complexity and Contradiction - in search of the absurd, the terrifying, and the fragile Tim King, De-Sign: ph +64 9 4783114, fax +64 9 4783164 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 15 14:25:18 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47932 for opro ; Wed, 15 Oct 97 14:25:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876905589:05:29989:42; Wed, 15 Oct 97 09:53:09 BST Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1520960; 15 Oct 97 9:52 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1015262; 15 Oct 97 9:41 BST From: Alan Muscat Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:27:54 +0100 Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971015.092754.19@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:59:29 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971014.084837.68@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > From:(Tim King) > > >I've done lot's of booklets (50-100 pgs) that get lasered straight onto A4 > >with not even the suggestion of them coming out differently to expectations. > >The bigger stuff (eg 300 pg books), also not a problem (though I would like > >incremental guttering ;-). > > Creep? Piece of cake if you tweek the imposition script for the format... Could you be more specific, David? > > > News > ==== > > Right enough of boggling over print scales. I note from Archive, November 1997, > page 9. That IMS have turned their transloaders into shareware. Loaders > for BMP, GIF, ICO, MAC, PCX and WPG from www.ims-cdc.demon.co.uk. Probably > mostly duplicated by the TransFSI loader bundled with OPro. Is there anything to gain by having these transloaders? -- **************Grapevine Digital Arts********** To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 15 15:19:30 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA47940 for opro ; Wed, 15 Oct 97 15:19:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876905539:09:16634:57; Wed, 15 Oct 97 09:52:19 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1408397; 15 Oct 97 9:51 BST From:(Martin Devon) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:28:55 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applet idea - Word conversion To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971015.092855.61@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:52:31 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Oh dear, I hope I have not caused too much raising of blood pressure! On Tue 14 Oct, Ariancylch wrote: > > On Mon 06 Oct, Martin Devon wrote: > > Word files are de-facto the standard for WP files and I am > > incessantly asked to extract text from Word to import into O-Pro. > > On Tue 07 Oct Sveinung W. Tenfgelsen wrote: > > > Ovation Pro isn't a word-processor!!! Fish... :/ > > > > Yes it is, and a very good one at that. > Unless I've missed something, no, it's not. > I'll concede it's a word-processor when we can happily run it in our > 'old' room of Acorn machines which consist of a collection of A310's > (2MB, Econet'd), A30x0 (2/4MB, Harddisc or on the Econet chain) and > A4000's (2/4MB, Harddisc). > With Style we can usefully do very basic wordprocessing/dtp on these > machines - we can have not only Style but 'something else' loaded and > useable all at once. > When I first tried OvPro it, effectively, required a 4MB machine. I'm > told by others in the staff that this is still the case. Sorry, I can't see the whole logic of that. Reduced to a minimum, you can word-process elementary text perfectly well on a BBC-B. In fact running O-Pro with a decent font cache, hi-res screen mode, printer drivers etc we find it actually needs 8Mb to be able to print a document of any size or complexity. (And to run a database alongside a spreadsheet, as we need to be able to do, and to print as well, also requires 8Mb). Goal-posts move, as do the expectations of both parents and children, and I'm not sure that continuing to run old (by IT standards) hardware is necessarily virtuous. Would you say that Word 6/7 is not a wordprocessor because it needs 16Mb? > > While I'm not suggesting that size is the only criterion for a word > processor (if nothing else I agree with Sveinung's comments previously > and elsewhere that the acorn market is flooded with wordprocessing > options in comparison to -advanced- DTP options), however, for (our) > practical purposes a word-processor that includes options for > arbitrarily shaped frames, colour separations and/or 'complex' text-flow > is over-specc'd and -not- a contender. Interestingly, having had experience of "junior" packages we take the opposite view. It is frustrating to a child to be told he/she can't do what they want because the word-pr. can't do it. So we use O-Pro right from the bottom to the top. Our 6-year-olds use O-Pro with more facility than some of the staff! Then it runs right though to the U.VIth and into the admin as well. With the emphasis on presentations in the nat.curr. the advanced tools are certainly needed, even if not always used to the professional limit. > > In the absence of a 'real' junior version of OvPro, for us, the best > option is to get people doing the 'basic' work in Impression [Style] and > then run their files through a bc5->ddl converter to let them do the > more advanced 'touching up' in OvPro. But what a business! It's hard enough to cope with the Word conversions (which is where we came in) without self-inflicted problems, and there are some 40,000 Ovation and O-Pro files already on our net (which proves its popularity if nothing else). > (In practice this is likely to remain the best solution for us, as it > avoids having to teach the staff how to use another program) Ah, here you have a problem of an altogether larger dimension, in which you have my deepest commiseration, if I can have yours! Enough said, really. Now, how about an applet to read/write Word files..? -- Martin Devon IT Consultant Stonar School To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 16 14:06:55 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48002 for opro ; Thu, 16 Oct 97 14:06:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876989392:05:11943:40; Thu, 16 Oct 97 09:09:52 BST Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1521175; 16 Oct 97 9:09 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac1018299; 16 Oct 97 9:08 BST From: Rupert Thompson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:03:35 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applet idea - Word conversion To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971016.090335.03@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:02:00 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Wed 15 Oct, Martin Devon wrote: > Enough said, really. Now, how about an applet to read/write Word files..? Patience! Patience! One's on its way. The Word format isn't terribly well documented. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 16 14:07:02 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48005 for opro ; Thu, 16 Oct 97 14:07:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876991066:05:21589:41; Thu, 16 Oct 97 09:37:46 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0620780; 16 Oct 97 9:37 BST From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:05:17 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: OP WProc/DTP? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971016.090517.62@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:59:18 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c W,H, Stenfert Kroese wrote: > What is OP? A word processor? Or a Desktop Publisher? > What is a tomato? A vegetable? Or a fruit? > God protect us from authorities that decide these issues! Ovation Pro is an application that I can write a letter in, do a 50,000 word thesis and also produce clever posters involving graphics and rotated frames. It will also be the main application that I use while publishing my life story. Next question? Oh, a tomato is a fruit - it has seeds. Now ask about a strawberry :-) Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 16 14:07:07 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48007 for opro ; Thu, 16 Oct 97 14:07:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876991168:06:21899:47; Thu, 16 Oct 97 09:39:28 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0621640; 16 Oct 97 9:39 BST From:(Keith Parker) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:05:36 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Creep? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971016.090536.41@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 97 23:51:51 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 14 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > The bigger stuff (eg 300 pg books), also not a problem (though I > > would like incremental guttering ;-). > Creep? Piece of cake if you tweek the imposition script for the > format... To the Guru himself ... maybe but how many people know that the Creep Xtens= ion for Quark is an extra costing around =A3100? David ... tells us how to do it ... pretty please :-) Keith -- keithp@argonet.co.uk | suep@argonet.co.u= k Supporting British RISC technology :-) | A teacher using PCs and Macs :-= ( To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 16 14:07:15 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48010 for opro ; Thu, 16 Oct 97 14:07:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876991266:05:22725:41; Thu, 16 Oct 97 09:41:06 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0621640; 16 Oct 97 9:40 BST From:(David Graddol) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:03:55 +0100 Organization: The English Co UK Ltd Subject: Re: Creep? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971016.090355.71@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:44:07 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971015.092834.83@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On Tue 14 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > > > Creep? Piece of cake if you tweek the imposition script for the format... > > Ha ha, David. For you, tweek is a 5 letter word. For someone like me it's > about as long as the big Oxford! (Actually, I had a look, and assume all one > needs do is change the 6mm... ? But then, ) > [snip] >(I mean, how many high > quality, stitched books get made these days?) Stitched books include 'saddle stitched' (i.e. stapled) of which there are many. Many school prospectuses must fall into this category. I would have thought it was commoner than perfect binding for up to about 64 pages. As it happens I've just had such a job printed - but this was using film so the necessary 'creep' was achieved by the printer setting up the imposition manually. Adding creep to the imposition applet would, however. be useful David To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 16 14:07:19 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48011 for opro ; Thu, 16 Oct 97 14:07:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876991267:05:22723:40; Thu, 16 Oct 97 09:41:07 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ae0621640; 16 Oct 97 9:40 BST From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:04:58 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: OP bugs... To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971016.090458.51@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:55:03 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c MattLB wrote: > > I've just tried the above and it doesn't happen on my machine. StrongArm > > RPC and OP 2.46. > > > > Ray D > > Right, take two on this. After experimenting I only get the > > above if the > file loaded in is a DOS text file, or a DOS text file saved as an > OP document. To try and standardize this I used a file everyone > should have, the !Help file from ChangeFSI. This is what I did: > * Loaded it as it is - no problem > * Loaded it into !Zap, ticked DOS > file and saved (N.B. You need to unprotect it first) > * Loaded it into OP, did the above and it froze as before > * Loaded in the DOS file again, saved as OP document, loaded in this OP > file > and again it froze Ok, take two - done that and it did freeze :-) I'm just trying to think of a good reason why I should want to do the above chain of actions, but agreed it shouldn't freeze. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 16 14:07:25 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48013 for opro ; Thu, 16 Oct 97 14:07:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876991462:06:24191:45; Thu, 16 Oct 97 09:44:22 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0623521; 16 Oct 97 9:43 BST From:(Ariancylch) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:04:39 +0100 Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971016.090439.14@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 01:21:10 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971015.092651.31@risc.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > From:(Ariancylch) > > >I'll concede it's a word-processor when we can happily run it in our > >'old' room of Acorn machines which consist of a collection of A310's > >(2MB, Econet'd), A30x0 (2/4MB, Harddisc or on the Econet chain) and > >A4000's (2/4MB, Harddisc). > >With Style we can usefully do very basic wordprocessing/dtp on these > >machines - we can have not only Style but 'something else' loaded and > >useable all at once. > >When I first tried OvPro it, effectively, required a 4MB machine. I'm > >told by others in the staff that this is still the case. > > > How about if we bundled the old Ovation with each copy of OPro? > Ovation 1.XX will run happily on small memory machines. That actually sounds like a good plan, if it were possible... > Although Beebug once promised a cut down version of OPro, I > doubt this will ever come to pass now. S'funny, I had the same thought :) > >Speaking of Impression... > > * With Publisher I commonly used the 'keep > > [together|single|multiple|etc]' style attributes, how do you achieve > > the same effect in OvPro? > > You can't - yet. I presume this means it's on the (ever growing) to do list... any vague ideas of when it might see the light of my monitor? > > * I'm also quite fond of the 'line above page footer' (as seen in the > > Impression manual, among other places). Am I correct in my belief > > that I can't create this effect using OvPro's footer system -without- > > creating a null frame to be that line? I can't see how to alter the > > borders of just the footer sub-frame, which I find mildly > > irritating... > > I would guess, just draw a line on the master page above the footer? That's what I ended up doing. Will we ever be able to alter the attributes of the footer frame separately to those of the main page? The look of it onscreen suggested to me it was actually a distinct entity... -- I won't use words again May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said places where you must walk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 16 14:07:32 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48015 for opro ; Thu, 16 Oct 97 14:07:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876991608:12:12499:38; Thu, 16 Oct 97 09:46:48 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0624867; 16 Oct 97 9:46 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:05:55 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971016.090555.87@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 01:41:51 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: julian M >Can anyone tell me the script to add shortcut keys to achieve sub and >superscript like in impression (shift-ctrl J/K), as the supplied Impkeys >module doesnt contain these, and I use them a lot. By default, super and subscript are Control Shift - and ='s (it's supposed to be easy to remember because of - and +). To redefine them, just define key macros for CS_J {'CS_=} CS_K {'CS_-} >also does anyone know how to get the spellchecker to recognise >sub/superscript as part of words etc as I am a chemistry student and use >ovp to write up my work, which contains a lot of formulea and it is >tiresome having to check It manually all the time. I'm not sure how to take this, one could use a change to sub/superscript to denote an end of a 'word'. On the other hand one could actually recognise the style as part of the correct spelling - currently the spell checker knows about capitalisation - it could be made to know about sub/super scripting. Wow what an idea. From:(MattLB) >Right, take two on this. After experimenting I only get the above if the >file loaded in is a DOS text file, or a DOS text file saved as an OP >document. To try and standardize this I used a file everyone should have, the Still seems OK to me. I'd think DOS filetype was unlikely to affect anything. Not impossible though because any type other than text does import via a different route. From:(Tim King) >>> like incremental guttering ;-). >(Actually, I had a look, and assume all one >needs do is change the 6mm... ? But then, ) The int prbookletgutter=17008; // 6mm at the start is actually the gutter between the top and bottom pairs of pages. >What I was alluding to was the possibility of doing stitched binding where >the folded sheets would be collated into a 32 pg signature, say, and then >the outside edges would be trimmed. This would mean that on that A3 sheet, >the pages of 2 of the pairs would have to be closer to each other to >compensate for the thickness of the fold. Then the pages on the next sheet >would have to be closer again (and likewise, the middle set of pairs closer >than the other). Creep would then be an incremental thing over the span of >the signature, and be dependent on paper stock. Well as it stands it does not do this, but it's only a small amount of work to make it do it. int prbookletpagesplit=0; int prbookletdelta=100; Two extra variables. The first is the gutter between left and right pages. The second is how much this gutter increases by for each sheet of paper. Units are 72000 to the inch as usual. Obviously if this is going to be a popular feature we'll stick these on a menu and embed the values in the document. The *experimental* version of the !Imposit applet which implements this is available from the web site. As; http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/applets/files/impo.zip You'll have to enter the full path because in honour of its developmental nature I have not put a link on the pages. From: Alan Muscat >> Right enough of boggling over print scales. I note from Archive, November 1997, >> page 9. That IMS have turned their transloaders into shareware. Loaders >> for BMP, GIF, ICO, MAC, PCX and WPG from www.ims-cdc.demon.co.uk. >Is there anything to gain by having these transloaders? The nice thing about shareware is that you can give these things a try, and see if they are of any use. It is possible to use our FSI transloader to convert any filetype that ChangeFSI can handle (i.e. a lot). Although as supplied it is only set up to do a few types. So the utility of IMS's loaders is just the filetypes they do which ChangeFSI does not do (possibly none). However, as I recall, IMS's loaders do have some fancy image processing features if you hold down ALT(?) as the image is loaded David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 16 14:07:42 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48017 for opro ; Thu, 16 Oct 97 14:07:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876991690:06:25933:38; Thu, 16 Oct 97 09:48:10 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0625594; 16 Oct 97 9:47 BST From:(Ariancylch) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:04:16 +0100 Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body Subject: Re: Applet idea - Word conversion To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971016.090416.90@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 00:42:19 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971015.092855.61@risc.demon.co.uk> Martin Devon wrote: > Oh dear, I hope I have not caused too much raising of blood pressure! :) I'll not say anymore past this, we're rapidly drifting off-topic, I think. (And thusly should really continue via email) > Ariancylch wrote: > > Unless I've missed something, no, it's not. > > I'll concede it's a word-processor when we can happily run it in our > > 'old' room of Acorn machines which consist of a collection of A310's > > (2MB, Econet'd), A30x0 (2/4MB, Harddisc or on the Econet chain) and > > A4000's (2/4MB, Harddisc). > > With Style we can usefully do very basic wordprocessing/dtp on these > > machines - we can have not only Style but 'something else' loaded and > > useable all at once. > > When I first tried OvPro it, effectively, required a 4MB machine. I'm > > told by others in the staff that this is still the case. > > Sorry, I can't see the whole logic of that. Reduced to a minimum, you > can word-process elementary text perfectly well on a BBC-B. That's true, and in fact I've been known to write documents in that way - it's effectively how [La]TeX works. > In fact running O-Pro with a decent font cache, hi-res screen mode, > printer drivers etc we find it actually needs 8Mb to be able to print > a document of any size or complexity. (And to run a database alongside > a spreadsheet, as we need to be able to do, and to print as well, also > requires 8Mb). I'll concede I ceased to worry about things like that when our Risc PC passed the 32MB memory mark. Until someone pulls out Photodesk, memory isn't really an issue. Iconbar space on the other hand... > Goal-posts move, as do the expectations of both parents and children, > and I'm not sure that continuing to run old (by IT standards) hardware > is necessarily virtuous. This is true. However, a nice simple word processor that -did- run on these means we don't have to send them to the scrap heap nearly so quickly. Using Style it is quite possible to produce work that is 'DTPish' in the sense that it has layout, pictures, text, styles and colours. Two added bonuses is that it -does- work on the old machines, and it's not as complicated. The lack of complications is extremely frustrating to someone such as myself that is used to Impression Publisher, but quite a boon to people who continue (despite our best efforts) to struggle with the concept of a tab stop. (rather than centring [even!] with spaces) > Would you say that Word 6/7 is not a wordprocessor because it needs > 16Mb? I would say that it's not a DTP package, though I think we might really be having a semantics debate. I would call Word a wordprocessor because that's all it's good for (no, I'm not going to debate that :) I would call OvationPro a DTP program because it's good for that. It's overspecc'd for a 'mere' word processor. (I'm getting sudden feelings of deja vu here. I'm sure I've made a similar claim about another program.) > > While I'm not suggesting that size is the only criterion for a word > > processor (if nothing else I agree with Sveinung's comments > > previously and elsewhere that the acorn market is flooded with > > wordprocessing options in comparison to -advanced- DTP options), > > however, for (our) practical purposes a word-processor that includes > > options for arbitrarily shaped frames, colour separations and/or > > 'complex' text-flow is over-specc'd and -not- a contender. > > Interestingly, having had experience of "junior" packages we take the > opposite view. It is frustrating to a child to be told he/she can't do what > they want because the word-pr. can't do it. (Actually, this is one of the reasons I disliked the 'junior' script that was supplied with the initial release of OvPro - I don't really like hiding features from people. If you can't do it, then that's fine, if you can, then let people see it) > So we use O-Pro right from the bottom to the top. Our 6-year-olds use > O-Pro with more facility than some of the staff! Then it runs right > though to the U.VIth and into the admin as well. With the emphasis on > presentations in the nat.curr. the advanced tools are certainly > needed, even if not always used to the professional limit. That's why I'm quite fond of the split with Impression (whether or not they got the position of the split correct is another matter, but I like the idea) - the basic version (Style) has a good toolset, but a smaller one, and a correspondingly smaller memory footprint (I think, I've not actually compared the numbers recently). That way we can keep using our old technology and end up with more resources to share around. For those that wish to use the tools available 'to the professional limit' they can simply drop their file into Publisher (OvPro) and keep going (with the more advanced tools). > > In the absence of a 'real' junior version of OvPro, for us, the best > > option is to get people doing the 'basic' work in Impression [Style] > > and then run their files through a bc5->ddl converter to let them do > > the more advanced 'touching up' in OvPro. > > But what a business! It's hard enough to cope with the Word > conversions (which is where we came in) without self-inflicted > problems, I think there's a difference between converting a Word file (especially without an auto-conversion program :) and dropping a Style file into Publisher, or converting it through to ddl. > and there are some 40,000 Ovation and O-Pro files already on our net > (which proves its popularity if nothing else). We'll never get that. Our students use Acorns, Admin use Macs, and various irritating people have brought in PCs just to complicate my job. > > (In practice this is likely to remain the best solution for us, as it > > avoids having to teach the staff how to use another program) > > Ah, here you have a problem of an altogether larger dimension, in > which you have my deepest commiseration, if I can have yours! Certainly :) I think many people run into this, unfortunately. > Enough said, really. Now, how about an applet to read/write Word > files..? I'd still like a script function (which I forgot to check for at work, d'oh) to close an open OvPro file. Then I can have the 'new view' and 'discard document' menu options working properly :) (I've modified the applet from the webpage, but at the moment it has to shade the 'discard' entry if there's a view of the document open ) It also struck me that it's probably fairly simple (now) to have an applet that offers a page of things like author, organisation, comments, editors etc, like Word does. Does anyone else think that's a good idea and/or have it written? -- I won't use words again May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said places where you must walk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 16 14:51:52 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48039 for opro ; Thu, 16 Oct 97 14:51:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 876990166:10:01572:45; Thu, 16 Oct 97 09:22:46 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1413384; 16 Oct 97 9:20 BST From:(Peter Bond) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:03:14 +0100 Organization: home Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971016.090314.85@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:51:57 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971014.084837.68@risc.demon.co.uk> you (DP) wrote, amongst other things: > I think the point is that fit, fits the area of the paper into the printable > area. Now if your printer had no margins, that would result in a scale of 100% > when printing 2xA5 on A4 sideways. Given that most printers do have a margin > you get a scale of less than 100%. > What you are implying (obvious I suppose) is that if a printer (like my HP 5L) has a bigger margin at the bottom than at the top then I should set both margins to the highest value in order to get material to be centred? Perhaps one should have a special 'paper' that has all margins all set the same - and then look for the next problem! Like, what happens when the printer doesn't feed true? -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 17 14:08:48 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48112 for opro ; Fri, 17 Oct 97 14:08:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877076137:06:02514:38; Fri, 17 Oct 97 09:15:37 BST Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1510311; 17 Oct 97 9:15 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac1015620; 17 Oct 97 9:15 BST From: David H Wild Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:07:49 +0100 Organization: Subject: Ovation Pro and !PDF To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971017.090750.00@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:22:46 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I bought myself a Psion 5, and one of the manuals is in PDF format, so I ran !PDF to extract the text so that I could read it. The next time I tried to load Ovation Pro I was told that it wasn't licensed for this machine, and that I should re-install. This has happened twice, and appears to be consistent; has anyone else had a similar problem? -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ dhwild@argonet.co.uk Uploaded on Thu,16 Oct 1997.19:08:02 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 17 14:08:56 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48115 for opro ; Fri, 17 Oct 97 14:08:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877076267:06:03388:39; Fri, 17 Oct 97 09:17:47 BST Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1510572; 17 Oct 97 9:17 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1015954; 17 Oct 97 9:16 BST From: julian Meekings Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:08:52 +0100 Organization: Subject: sub/super script To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971017.090852.94@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:34:45 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c David Thanks for telling me the default keys for sub/super script, I couldn't find them in the manual before, I assume from what you said that you can actually make the spell checker recognise sub/super as a style, like to tell me how hard/easy it is, or could you just tell us please I'm not the only chemistry student here who has this problem btw Thanks ******************************************************* * To do is to be Sartre * * To be is to do Sartre * * Do Be Do Be Do Sinatra * ***************** Julian Meekings ****************** * jkhm100@york.ac.uk * ************************ To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 17 14:08:58 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48116 for opro ; Fri, 17 Oct 97 14:08:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877076269:06:03408:38; Fri, 17 Oct 97 09:17:49 BST Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1510652; 17 Oct 97 9:17 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac1015954; 17 Oct 97 9:17 BST From: Chris Manning Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:10:15 +0100 Organization: Organisation? Er, no... Subject: Re: OP bugs... To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971017.091015.97@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:02:13 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971015.092712.32@risc.demon.co.uk> MattLB wrote: > Ray Dawson wrote: >> MattLB wrote: [procedure that causes OPro to hang] > Right, take two on this. After experimenting I only get the above if the > file loaded in is a DOS text file, or a DOS text file saved as an OP > document. [how to create a file that will cause the hang] > This is clearly harder to produce than it first appeared, but could > someone try this procedure to see if it really is universal, and not just > me. It happens here exactly as you described. Chris To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 17 14:09:07 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48119 for opro ; Fri, 17 Oct 97 14:09:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877076413:12:28806:44; Fri, 17 Oct 97 09:20:13 BST Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1510895; 17 Oct 97 9:19 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1016258; 17 Oct 97 9:18 BST From: Martin Tillman Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:09:13 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: The Black Art of Printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971017.090913.09@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:12:11 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971009.131502.68@risc.demon.co.uk> Tim King wrote: [snip] > What's all this scaling that people do? Good design practice says > that if you want an A5 booklet, you make it A5 from the start. It's encouraged by 'Pamphlet' printing which appears to offer a very easy way of producing an A5 booklet (despite the difficulties of choosing a font size, etc.), without having to think too hard. At least I think that's why I went down this route - it all seems like a long time ago now. > WYSIWYG. A5 facing pages, set all the margins, frames etc as they > will end up. It doesn't matter what size paper you print it on. A4, > 100%, centred. Or OS A4, or A3 even, with crops, reg's etc and > guillotine it down. Or impose it onto A3 or A2 film. Whatever. I've just tried this. In fact I duplicate an Impression doc that I created a *long* time ago. Actually, created is the wrong word, adapted is better... Anyway, it works. Page size A5, double sided, 'Left' (can't remember why, maybe I ought to RTFM), Master frame to suit. Printing setup - 'Pamphlet', Scale 100%, X and Y 0mm, Sideways selected. Everything prints exactly where it should. Phew, that's a relief! (Now, why doesn't scaling work properly?...). -- m. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 17 14:09:15 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48121 for opro ; Fri, 17 Oct 97 14:09:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877076489:06:04872:39; Fri, 17 Oct 97 09:21:29 BST Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac1511187; 17 Oct 97 9:21 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1016528; 17 Oct 97 9:20 BST From: MattLB Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:09:34 +0100 Organization: University of Kent at Canterbury Subject: Re: OP bugs... To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971017.090934.01@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:40:01 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Ray Dawson wrote: > > > Right, take two on this. After experimenting I only get the > > > above if the > > file loaded in is a DOS text file, or a DOS text file saved as an > > OP document. To try and standardize this I used a file everyone > > should have, the !Help file from ChangeFSI. This is what I did: > > * Loaded it as it is - no problem > > * Loaded it into !Zap, ticked DOS > > file and saved (N.B. You need to unprotect it first) > > * Loaded it into OP, did the above and it froze as before > > * Loaded in the DOS file again, saved as OP document, loaded in this OP > > file and again it froze > > Ok, take two - done that and it did freeze :-) > > I'm just trying to think of a good reason why I should want to do the > above chain of actions, but agreed it shouldn't freeze. > The above was just a reproducible way to create a DOS file that would have the desired(?) effect. My internet access is via the university PCs and the original file that caused the freeze-up was an email saved to floppy, taken home and filetyped to text. A lot of the text files on my RiscPC came from the internet(via windoze), so could all potentially cause problems - I haven't checked them all mind. Still, thanks for crashing your computer on my behalf :-) MattLB To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 17 14:09:18 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48122 for opro ; Fri, 17 Oct 97 14:09:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877076500:06:05015:38; Fri, 17 Oct 97 09:21:40 BST Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac1511195; 17 Oct 97 9:21 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac1016528; 17 Oct 97 9:21 BST From: Keith Goodier Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:09:54 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Creep? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971017.090954.60@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 20:00:19 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Thu 16 Oct 97 (09:05:55 +0100), david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: (Concerning implementing Creep) >Well as it stands it does not do this, but it's only a small amount of >work to make it do it. > >int prbookletpagesplit=0; >int prbookletdelta=100; > >Two extra variables. The first is the gutter between left and right >pages. The second is how much this gutter increases by for each sheet >of paper. Units are 72000 to the inch as usual. Which order are you assuming the pages get printed in please? The way I usually approach this (although without the sophistication of creep) I would expect the gutter to decrease incrementally rather than increase. Is creep normally assumed to be uniform per side of paper printed, or per piece of paper? I'm thinking of the A5 booklet printed as A4 sheets here. I can see that the second, third and subsequent sheets will be progressively smaller after trimming and will require an adjustment to the interpage gutter, but I'm unclear about the allowance for pages on opposite sides of the same sheet of paper. Without getting into the complexities of exactly which order the pages get produced in, it seems to me that creep might only need to be allowed for on every other page. -- |/ |\eith jake@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 17 14:09:24 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48124 for opro ; Fri, 17 Oct 97 14:09:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877076553:12:29347:42; Fri, 17 Oct 97 09:22:33 BST Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1511399; 17 Oct 97 9:22 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1016836; 17 Oct 97 9:22 BST From: Tim King Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:10:36 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Creep To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971017.091036.48@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:39:08 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Thu 16 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > >than the other). Creep would then be an incremental thing over the span of > >the signature, and be dependent on paper stock. > > Well as it stands it does not do this, but it's only a small amount of > work to make it do it. > > int prbookletpagesplit=0; > int prbookletdelta=100; > > Two extra variables. The first is the gutter between left and right pages. > The second is how much this gutter increases by for each sheet of paper. > Units are 72000 to the inch as usual. > > Obviously if this is going to be a popular feature we'll stick these on a > menu and embed the values in the document. Whaaaa! ... as I pick myself up off the floor. 'Saint' David has just been promoted into the ranks of the divine. And you make it look so easy! I'll get together with my printer and have a play before making any comments. Comments/questions like: Does the creep-increment operate between page pairs, or between sheets? Does that mean it'll increment for the whole book - ie if I'm stiching 32 pg signatures I want it to return to 0 for pg 33/whatever (actually, it's the other way 'round - the outside pages have the greatest creep. Or, as my printer says, you subtract space out of the middle as you go, rather than add it on from the middle out. Who cares - same result)? Ie, can you divide a document up into sets;-) If the creep function does keep going for the length of the book, then that's fine for saddle stitch ... > On Thu 16 Oct, David Graddol wrote: Stitched books include 'saddle > stitched' (i.e. stapled) of which there are many. Many school prospectuses > must fall into this category. I would have thought it was commoner than > perfect binding for up to about 64 pages. :-) Yes, quite true. I was almost tongue in cheek (no!) with my original comment thinking of it really only being in the image setters domain, and that being so it wouldn't really warrant that much attention. But you are right, and in producing booklets like this creep is a much more serious problem. > embed the values in the document How would you see this being presented? A user definable field for printers and techo's; plus a set of presets related to paper stock for others eg, 80gm, 120gm coated art etc? Absolutely overawed: tim -- Complexity and Contradiction - in search of the absurd, the terrifying, and the fragile Tim King, De-Sign: ph +64 9 4783114, fax +64 9 4783164 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 17 14:09:31 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48126 for opro ; Fri, 17 Oct 97 14:09:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877076791:06:07250:44; Fri, 17 Oct 97 09:26:31 BST Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac1512032; 17 Oct 97 9:26 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1017336; 17 Oct 97 9:25 BST From: Martin Tillman Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:07:27 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various (Ref: Black Art of Printing) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971017.090727.24@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:50:25 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971014.084837.68@risc.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > From:(Peter Bond) > > > However, the main problem is the pages are not centered on the > > > resulant A5 page, although they look fine on screen. > > Yes, they aren't. Er, they are now! (signed Confused of Milton Keynes) I've just taken a standard A4 page, adjusted the frame so that it doesn't encroach into the margins when scaled to A5 and printed it 'uncentred' at a scale of 71% and it was perfectly aligned. In fact, leaving the frame as it was, 10.5mm from the bottom of an A4 page, and scaling it the same as before, all the margins were scaled by 71%, so that they became about 7mm. Well, some of the page wasn't printed, but it's all perfectly logical. > > As I said, I have always used A5 onto A4, and have just printed at > > 100% - never used Fit. OK, it's all clear now. NEVER USE FIT! ;-) [snip] > I think the point is that fit, fits the area of the paper into the > printable area. How obvious! So, I mentally remove the 10.5mm from the botton, *and* the 3mm from the top, and suddenly everything is right, or at least makes sense. [snip] > In reality, the stuff you have on the page may not run up to the > edges. So you may get away with using a scale of 100%. Or 71% if scaling A4 to A5. (Which I'm not doing anymore). [snip] > > When I select pamphlet printing Ovation sets the scaling to 71% > > and the margin on screen changes to *appear* to be 15.5mm. > This is correct. > > This may be a red herring as the page is going to be scaled, so > > the ruler wouldn't really be real m.m.s anymore, would it? Or do > > I just not fully understand what's really going on? > Obviously the situation is one which is open to various points of > view. The print margins you see on screen, show you how much will > actually appear on the paper. At 100% scale the print margins are > true, as you say 10.5mm. As the scale increases the print margins > will become larger - they are no longer related to the real margins > on the printer, but they are correct relative to objects on the > page. Yep, I now see how that works. [snip] > > Leaving aside scaling and margins, the major problem is that the > > two 'A5' pages printed on one side of A4 are not *printed* where > > they are shown to be on screen. So a frame centred on an A4 page > > doesn't result in two centred A5 frames when scaled. > Are results the same on different printers - thinking about a > 'perfect' printer like ArcFax. A perfect printer without margins - just what I need ;-) > > I've been sent a template by Roger King that addresses just this > > problem. So, I'm not the first person to have come across this > > situation. > I see, a conspiracy, all sat there seething about off centre pages > and saying nothing... I think it's just me and him actually! > Seriously I'd like to sort this out, but it's sort of difficult to > grasp what the problem is. Problem, what problem? (Roger, if you want my A5 booklet doc that works perfectly, just drop me an email). -- m. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 17 14:09:38 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48128 for opro ; Fri, 17 Oct 97 14:09:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877076815:05:29797:39; Fri, 17 Oct 97 09:26:55 BST Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1512032; 17 Oct 97 9:26 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac1017336; 17 Oct 97 9:26 BST From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:08:30 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971017.090830.72@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 18:58:09 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From:(Ariancylch) >I presume this means it's on the (ever growing) to do list... any vague >ideas of when it might see the light of my monitor? Keep lines together etc. are in the class of things built in but not fully implemented. (see the DDL files where these things are defined even now). It's all a matter of demand. >Will we ever be able to alter the attributes of the footer frame >separately to those of the main page? The look of it onscreen suggested >to me it was actually a distinct entity... No. The footer is not a distinct frame. It's one of these things, by the time you allowed the footer to have it's own border, colour etc. there'd be nothing to lose by not having it as a completely different frame. I think if you try adding a footer to a circular frame you'll see why it's not a separate frame. >I'd still like a script function (which I forgot to check for at work, >d'oh) to close an open OvPro file. Then I can have the 'new view' and >'discard document' menu options working properly :) I recently extended filescrap() so that it closes any open views. In 2.46 and earlier using this on a file with open views will result in a crash. >It also struck me that it's probably fairly simple (now) to have an >applet that offers a page of things like author, organisation, comments, >editors etc, like Word does. Does anyone else think that's a good idea >and/or have it written? Yes this is now possible, a dbox and make use of the tagged data manager to store the info inside the document. Some macros to allow this information to be easily inserted in documents. And perhaps a file on disc so that the info is inserted in all new docs automatically. The other thing is that we all have the same set of tags, so that everyone knows that tagXXX is the name of the author of any document. Incidentally there is a bug in the tagged data manager in 2.46 and earlier, which means it should be used sparingly until 2.47 is released. From:(Peter Bond) >What you are implying (obvious I suppose) is that if a printer (like >my HP 5L) has a bigger margin at the bottom than at the top then I >should set both margins to the highest value in order to get material >to be centred? Correct. >Perhaps one should have a special 'paper' that has all margins all >set the same - and then look for the next problem! Like, what happens >when the printer doesn't feed true? To some extent using paper with no margins would be a good idea, except for the natural inclination to try to squeeze as much as possible onto the paper. Possibly we should provide a feature which allows fit/centre etc. to work on the paper dimensions as well as the printable area. You could then use the print margins to see if stuff was going to get chopped off. We've also had some fun and games with tiling, the root cause of which is paper definitions with different top and bottom margins. From:(David Graddol) >Adding creep to the imposition applet would, however. be useful One thought has ocurred to me about the improved applet. Consider for the sake of argument printing 2 A5's on an A4 page. Previously the two A5's touched in the middle of the page. Creep as currently implemented consists of shifting the A5's away from the centre line. Which means the overall size of what is printed gets bigger. The middle sheet is A4, sheets away from the centre are bigger than A4, as the creep pushes the A5's outwards. The problem would be if you had scale to fit switched on, because the outer sheets would print at a smaller scale than the inner ones. This brings up the question, should creep shift the positions of the pages (as just described) or just shift the position of what is printed on the pages? David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 20 19:28:47 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48319 for opro ; Mon, 20 Oct 97 19:28:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877344866:05:25141:37; Mon, 20 Oct 97 11:54:26 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ae1524377; 20 Oct 97 11:53 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2001068; 20 Oct 97 11:53 BST From: Sudipta Sarkar Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:47:11 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Data transfer again To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971020.114711.09@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 19:57:29 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c This is (well, sort of) just going back to the issue of receiving data from people using software such as Word or Quark or Pagemucker. I know I'm going off at a tangent here, but does anybody know anything about getting data to/from Arcs or RiscPCs to Apple Macs? I have heard of AppleFS and MacFS, but I'd like to hear about some experiences first. -- > Sudipta Sarkar @ University of St Andrews To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 20 19:29:14 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48327 for opro ; Mon, 20 Oct 97 19:29:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877344949:06:11833:38; Mon, 20 Oct 97 11:55:49 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1524780; 20 Oct 97 11:55 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac2001324; 20 Oct 97 11:55 BST From: Peter Bond Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:42:37 +0100 Organization: home Subject: Re: Ovation Pro and !PDF To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971020.114237.01@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:48:13 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971017.090750.00@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I bought myself a Psion 5, and one of the manuals is in PDF format, so I > ran !PDF to extract the text so that I could read it. The next time I tried > to load Ovation Pro I was told that it wasn't licensed for this machine, > and that I should re-install. > > This has happened twice, and appears to be consistent; has anyone else had > a similar problem? > Is this the Leo Smiers port? If so, No, I use it occasionally but haven't had this problem. Indeed, I've just used PDF and then loaded OvPro with no problem. -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 20 19:29:19 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48328 for opro ; Mon, 20 Oct 97 19:29:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877345025:06:12289:42; Mon, 20 Oct 97 11:57:05 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1524990; 20 Oct 97 11:56 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2001324; 20 Oct 97 11:54 BST From: "Roger Darlington" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:41:46 +0100 Organization: University of Salford Subject: double sprite processing makes second invisible To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971020.114146.36@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:19:29 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Anomaly/bug in OP 2.46: In draw, load in two sprites. Save resulting draw file of 2 sprites Load draw file into OP graphic frame Try some colour processing on it (i.e. try altering the contrast, or the brightness, or the gamma, etc) OP applies the effect to the first sprite, but the second sprite vanishes completely! I haven't tried this with more that 2 sprites, but presumably all but the first sprite just vanishes when colour processing is practised on the (single) graphic frame containing the (single) draw file. Does op 2.47 fix this and where/when can I get it? Roger Roger Darlington 1 fells Grove Worsley Manchester M28 7JN Home Tel - (0161) 799 9845 R.W.DARLINGTON@acoustics.salford.ac.uk Work Tel - (0161) 295 3399 It's all done by mirrors To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 20 19:29:25 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48329 for opro ; Mon, 20 Oct 97 19:29:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877345090:06:12797:37; Mon, 20 Oct 97 11:58:10 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1525147; 20 Oct 97 11:57 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2001701; 20 Oct 97 11:56 BST From: Ray Dawson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:43:39 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Ovation Pro and !PDF To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971020.114339.43@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:59:10 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c David H Wild wrote: > I bought myself a Psion 5, and one of the manuals is in PDF format, > so I ran !PDF to extract the text so that I could read it. The next > time I tried to load Ovation Pro I was told that it wasn't licensed > for this machine, and that I should re-install. > This has happened twice, and appears to be consistent; has anyone > else had a similar problem? David, is that the Leo Smiers PD one or the commercial version? I have Leo's 0.71b and have no problems booting Ovation Pro afterwards. SA RPC Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 20 19:29:37 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48331 for opro ; Mon, 20 Oct 97 19:29:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877345144:12:01066:37; Mon, 20 Oct 97 11:59:04 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1525383; 20 Oct 97 11:58 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2001960; 20 Oct 97 11:58 BST From: "A.M.Smith" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:44:22 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Double Creep? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971020.114422.34@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:00:05 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Keith Goodier wrote: > On Thu 16 Oct 97 (09:05:55 +0100), david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > (Concerning implementing Creep) > >int prbookletpagesplit=0; > >int prbookletdelta=100; > > > >Two extra variables. The first is the gutter between left and right > >pages. The second is how much this gutter increases by for each sheet > >of paper. Units are 72000 to the inch as usual. > Which order are you assuming the pages get printed in please? With the advent of A2 printing from Canon, is there anything like the Imposit applet to get 16 pages of A5 from the A2? Has anyone experience of getting the 5500 to work from the RiscPC and can it cope with PhotoRealism colours? Cheers, Mike -- A.M.Smith At the Centre of the Kingdom To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 20 19:29:53 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48334 for opro ; Mon, 20 Oct 97 19:29:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877345278:06:14248:38; Mon, 20 Oct 97 12:01:18 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac1525820; 20 Oct 97 12:00 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2002448; 20 Oct 97 12:00 BST From: "A.M.Smith" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:45:24 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re:Double Creep? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971020.114524.41@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:20:02 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Keith Goodier wrote: > On Thu 16 Oct 97 (09:05:55 +0100), david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > (Concerning implementing Creep) > >int prbookletpagesplit=0; > >int prbookletdelta=100; > > > >Two extra variables. The first is the gutter between left and right > >pages. The second is how much this gutter increases by for each sheet > >of paper. Units are 72000 to the inch as usual. > Which order are you assuming the pages get printed in please? With the advent of A2 printing from Canon, is there anything like the Imposit applet to get 16 pages from the A2? Has anyone experience of getting the 5500 to work from the RiscPC and can it cope with PhotoRealism colours (the adverts don't seem to mention this)? Cheers, Mike -- A.M.Smith At the Centre of the Kingdom To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 20 19:29:58 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48335 for opro ; Mon, 20 Oct 97 19:29:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877345278:06:14263:39; Mon, 20 Oct 97 12:01:18 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad1525817; 20 Oct 97 12:01 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac2001960; 20 Oct 97 11:59 BST From: "A.M.Smith" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:45:04 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Double Creep? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971020.114504.06@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:16:35 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Keith Goodier wrote: > On Thu 16 Oct 97 (09:05:55 +0100), david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > >int prbookletpagesplit=0; > >int prbookletdelta=100; > > > >Two extra variables. The first is the gutter between left and right > >pages. The second is how much this gutter increases by for each sheet > Is creep normally assumed to be uniform per side of paper printed, or With the advent of A2 printing from Canon, is there anything like the Imposit applet to get 16 pages from the A2? Has anyone experience of getting the 5500 to work from the RiscPC and can it cope with PhotoRealism colours? Cheers, Mike -- A.M.Smith At the Centre of the Kingdom To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 20 19:30:07 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48337 for opro ; Mon, 20 Oct 97 19:30:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877345410:05:28541:37; Mon, 20 Oct 97 12:03:30 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1526243; 20 Oct 97 12:03 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2002764; 20 Oct 97 12:02 BST From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:46:05 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971020.114605.82@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 97 02:46:23 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: Chris Manning (private mail) >>> After experimenting I only get the above if the file loaded in is a DOS >>> text file, or a DOS text file saved as an OP document. >> Still seems OK to me. I'd think DOS filetype was unlikely to affect >> anything. Not impossible though because any type other than text does >> import via a different route. >You really will have to pension off Twin, and get a proper editor. ;-) >In ZapSpeak a DOS file has line endings (a Spool file has >line endings). Zap strips off the unwanted characters when a file's loaded >(and replaces them when it's saved), so the only way you know that you're >editing an alien file is that a D or S appears on the title bar. Thank you Chris. I can now reproduce the bug. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 20 19:30:22 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48340 for opro ; Mon, 20 Oct 97 19:30:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877345484:12:02399:37; Mon, 20 Oct 97 12:04:44 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1526462; 20 Oct 97 12:04 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac2002764; 20 Oct 97 12:03 BST From: julian Meekings Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:46:49 +0100 Organization: Subject: loaders To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971020.114649.12@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:57:49 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Are there any free loaders out there for loading stuff like word perfect 5.2/6, can anyone recommend a site for stuff like this? Also, my friend is supposed to be doing a project about different speech styles, I've got a copy of the module Jive, which livens up text, and I was wondering if there were any others like that out there. Thanks for bearing with me, I know this is a bit off the topic line here Julian ******************************************************* * To do is to be Sartre * * To be is to do Sartre * * Do Be Do Be Do Sinatra * ***************** Julian Meekings ****************** * jkhm100@york.ac.uk * ************************ To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 20 19:30:28 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48341 for opro ; Mon, 20 Oct 97 19:30:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877345617:12:02838:39; Mon, 20 Oct 97 12:06:57 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id af1526873; 20 Oct 97 12:06 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2003296; 20 Oct 97 12:05 BST From: Ian MacDougall Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:42:16 +0100 Organization: Subject: New charter To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971020.114216.35@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:05:02 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I guess it is right that since I have just updated the charter for the list that I inform you of the changes. Most of you will be aware of the Mailstrip problem, but I thought it wise to inform you of my policy towards accounts that bounce email back to the list. It's a bit harsh, but I simply do not have the time to help you or your service provider sort out problems with your email account. Anyway here is the new charter: The OVATIONP-L mailing list allows users of Beebug's Ovation Pro package to discuss the application and receive advice and support on its use. The list is not moderated by Beebug, but we reserve the right to exclude users who persistently post articles that are off-topic or contain encoded binary files. Argonet users should avoid use of the MailStrip utility that acknowledges receipt of each email back to the list. Other users should sign off the list if a vacation handler is set up on their email account. Do not be surprised if after a period of having problems with your email account you find you no longer receive articles from the list. Accounts that bounce email back to the list will be removed without notice. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 20 19:30:39 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48343 for opro ; Mon, 20 Oct 97 19:30:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877345682:12:03044:42; Mon, 20 Oct 97 12:08:02 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1527046; 20 Oct 97 12:07 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2003590; 20 Oct 97 12:07 BST From: David Graddol Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:42:58 +0100 Organization: The English Co UK Ltd Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971020.114258.26@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:29:19 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971017.090830.72@risc.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > Consider for the sake of argument printing 2 A5's on an A4 page. Previously > the two A5's touched in the middle of the page. Creep as currently > implemented consists of shifting the A5's away from the centre line. > > Which means the overall size of what is printed gets bigger. > > The middle sheet is A4, sheets away from the centre are bigger than A4, > as the creep pushes the A5's outwards. > > The problem would be if you had scale to fit switched on, because the outer > sheets would print at a smaller scale than the inner ones. > > This brings up the question, should creep shift the positions of the pages > (as just described) or just shift the position of what is printed on the pages? Well, I'm not sure exactly what the best approach would be, but obviously a situation in which different pages were scaled differently woul be unacceptable. If creep is used, then the resulting booklet will be trimmed to size. In other words, you normally need SRA (oversize) paper stock. If you used standard A4, then the page size of your booklet would have to be less than A5, because it would be trimmed down during finishing. There doesn't seem to me to be much point in using creep without trimming - it would be better just to ensure the margins are wide enough to permit smaller inside margins appearing in the outer pages. So I guess this means that if you were using A4 paper, page size would have to be set at less than A5. Would there then be any difference in the two approaches? David Graddol The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 20 19:38:55 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48346 for opro ; Mon, 20 Oct 97 19:38:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877345793:05:00829:38; Mon, 20 Oct 97 12:09:53 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1527418; 20 Oct 97 12:09 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2003844; 20 Oct 97 12:08 BST From: Ariancylch Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:43:20 +0100 Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971020.114320.49@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 00:26:36 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971017.090830.72@risc.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > From:(Ariancylch) > > > I presume this means it's on the (ever growing) to do list... any > > vague ideas of when it might see the light of my monitor? > > Keep lines together etc. are in the class of things built in but not > fully implemented. (see the DDL files where these things are defined > even now). It's all a matter of demand. Shall I demand it, then? :) > >I'd still like a script function (which I forgot to check for at work, > >d'oh) to close an open OvPro file. Then I can have the 'new view' and > >'discard document' menu options working properly :) > > I recently extended filescrap() so that it closes any open views. > In 2.46 and earlier using this on a file with open views will result > in a crash. Only when you attempt to redraw the window... > > It also struck me that it's probably fairly simple (now) to have an > > applet that offers a page of things like author, organisation, > > comments, editors etc, like Word does. Does anyone else think that's > > a good idea and/or have it written? > > Yes this is now possible, a dbox and make use of the tagged data > manager to store the info inside the document. Some macros to allow > this information to be easily inserted in documents. And perhaps a > file on disc so that the info is inserted in all new docs > automatically. That sounds like what I was thinking of... > The other thing is that we all have the same set of tags, so that > everyone knows that tagXXX is the name of the author of any document. ....though I don't quite follow this part. If an applet were invented that added this sort of information, and each applet has a stack of tags allocated to it and it alone, then the above just falls through? > Incidentally there is a bug in the tagged data manager in 2.46 and > earlier, which means it should be used sparingly until 2.47 is > released. Just to be annoying, has there been any progress toward getting 2.47 released that means we could be given a (vague) time frame? -- I won't use words again May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said places where you must walk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 20 19:39:01 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48347 for opro ; Mon, 20 Oct 97 19:38:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877345831:06:18284:37; Mon, 20 Oct 97 12:10:31 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac1527605; 20 Oct 97 12:10 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac2003844; 20 Oct 97 12:09 BST From: Richard Hallas Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:44:01 +0100 Organization: KeyNote Music Typesetting Subject: Creep problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971020.114401.45@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:45:50 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971017.090830.72@risc.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > From:(David Graddol) > > > Adding creep to the imposition applet would, however. be useful > > One thought has ocurred to me about the improved applet. > > Consider for the sake of argument printing 2 A5's on an A4 page. > Previously the two A5's touched in the middle of the page. Creep as > currently implemented consists of shifting the A5's away from the > centre line. > > Which means the overall size of what is printed gets bigger. > > The middle sheet is A4, sheets away from the centre are bigger than > A4, as the creep pushes the A5's outwards. Yes, I've had this thought, too. Whilst it may be sensible to allow for the possibility of paper which (in this case) goes beyond A4 in /length/, I think that, for most cases, the A4 sheet with be the maximum-sized one, and others will be trimmed to be shorter. > The problem would be if you had scale to fit switched on, because > the outer sheets would print at a smaller scale than the inner ones. > > This brings up the question, should creep shift the positions of the > pages (as just described) or just shift the position of what is > printed on the pages? I think it would actually be rather useful to have an on-screen indication of the creep zone - like a print border - so that pages can be designed from the outset to fit between it. The inner pages in a booklet would have all their 'creep zone indicator' regions at their outer edges, since these would be trimmed off, whilst the outer pages would have it all in the centre, like a large gutter. Pages inbetween those two extremes would obviously have varying amounts of creep zone at their inner and outer edges. The behaviour of Scale to Fit would presumably need to be altered for cases when Creep was enabled. For setting up the creep, it would also be handy to have a menu of paper stocks, so that the delta value of the creep can be set as standard for a range of paper/card weights. -- Richard -=-=-=- Richard G. Hallas * Author of "Charges" * Editor of RISC User magazine Proprietor of KeyNote: Music Typesetting & General Desktop Publishing E-mail: Richard@hallas.demon.co.uk * Telephone/Facsimile: 01484 460280 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 20 19:39:21 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48350 for opro ; Mon, 20 Oct 97 19:39:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877345961:05:01829:37; Mon, 20 Oct 97 12:12:41 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1527987; 20 Oct 97 12:12 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2004334; 20 Oct 97 12:10 BST From: Tim King Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:45:45 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various - Creep To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971020.114545.32@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 14:44:49 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 17 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > One thought has ocurred to me about the improved applet. > > Consider for the sake of argument printing 2 A5's on an A4 page. Previously > the two A5's touched in the middle of the page. Creep as currently > implemented consists of shifting the A5's away from the centre line. Still haven't tried the *experimental* version. So what happens to the crop marks etc? Do they relate to the A5 page and shift too, or are they fixed on the imposed page? > > Which means the overall size of what is printed gets bigger. Exactly > > The middle sheet is A4, sheets away from the centre are bigger than A4, as > the creep pushes the A5's outwards. > > The problem would be if you had scale to fit switched on, because the outer > sheets would print at a smaller scale than the inner ones. Hmm. I think I've said before, for me, 100% is the only way to go for the final job. Fit's starting to look like a bigger can of worms all the time;-) > > This brings up the question, should creep shift the positions of the pages > (as just described) or just shift the position of what is printed on the > pages? Yep. Sounds like it? And just to confirm my assumption in my previous post - and I see Keith Goodier has raised the same point - creep does mean that the outside pages are the furthest apart? Ie, it creeps from the middle out? Um, again, something we've talked about before. If what you're going to do with creep is shift the page around within a larger printed area, how easy to put in an option to shift a large page around by much bigger amounts under a smaller printable area (the proofing a small section thing)? tim -- Complexity and Contradiction - in search of the absurd, the terrifying, and the fragile Tim King, De-Sign: ph +64 9 4783114, fax +64 9 4783164 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 20 19:39:35 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48352 for opro ; Mon, 20 Oct 97 19:39:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877346052:05:02351:53; Mon, 20 Oct 97 12:14:12 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1528222; 20 Oct 97 12:14 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac2004546; 20 Oct 97 12:13 BST From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:44:43 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971020.114443.42@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 97 17:17:03 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: David H Wild >I bought myself a Psion 5, and one of the manuals is in PDF format, so I >ran !PDF to extract the text so that I could read it. The next time I tried >to load Ovation Pro I was told that it wasn't licensed for this machine, >and that I should re-install. One for ian@beebug.co.uk... Although !PDF did not have this effect on my machine. From: julian Meekings >I assume from what you said that you can actually make the spell checker >recognise sub/super as a style, like to tell me how hard/easy it is, or >could you just tell us please Well it is possible, but not easy. It would mean changes to the spell check code. A few weeks back, someone asked for the spell check to be able to cope with oddities in foreign languages. I've now added an interface to do that, a bit more extension would allow someone to add some script stuff to cope with things like chemical notation. That brings up the other idea which is to write an applet which sort of does 'grammar' checking on your expressions. From: Keith Goodier >Which order are you assuming the pages get printed in please? The way >I usually approach this (although without the sophistication of creep) >I would expect the gutter to decrease incrementally rather than increase. Outside sheet first. Yes you can think of it in 2 ways, the initial spacing of the inner pairs which increases as you go to the outer pairs. Or the initial spacing of the outer pairs which decreases. >Is creep normally assumed to be uniform per side of paper printed, or >per piece of paper? Good question. >the interpage gutter, but I'm unclear about the allowance for pages on >opposite sides of the same sheet of paper. I believe (hope) I set things up so that creep was the same for pages on both sides of the same sheet. Within the print format script, you know how many pieces of paper the current print job is going to take, and you know which piece of paper and which side of it, you're on. All you then do is say which pages go where. So any sort of creep you like can be done. From: Tim King >Comments/questions like: Does the creep-increment operate between page pairs, >or between sheets? Does that mean it'll increment for the whole book - ie if >I'm stiching 32 pg signatures I want it to return to 0 for pg 33/whatever It works on the current print 'job', so if you had a 256 page book, you'd have to print it in 32 page signatures, tell it to print pages 1..32 then 33..64 and so on. For each set of pages the creep will start over. But you'd have to print in 32 page chunks anyway to get the layout of the pages in the sub booklets on film right. >How would you see this being presented? A user definable field for printers >and techo's; plus a set of presets related to paper stock for others eg, >80gm, 120gm coated art etc? Yes good idea. What I don't know is what reasonable values for creep are? David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 20 19:39:43 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48353 for opro ; Mon, 20 Oct 97 19:39:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877346096:05:02629:38; Mon, 20 Oct 97 12:14:56 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1528374; 20 Oct 97 12:14 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2004546; 20 Oct 97 12:12 BST From: Tom Tanner Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:46:26 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971020.114626.58@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 22:11:03 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c David Pilling wrote: > From:(David Graddol) > >Adding creep to the imposition applet would, however. be useful > > One thought has ocurred to me about the improved applet. > Consider for the sake of argument printing 2 A5's on an A4 page. > Previously the two A5's touched in the middle of the page. Creep as > currently implemented consists of shifting the A5's away from the > centre line. > Which means the overall size of what is printed gets bigger. No, it shouldn't get bigger - the total area of the sheet is A4 after it has been trimmed & whatever. I'm not sure how to explain this well, but say a printer is printing 4 pages A5 at a time, the total page area is 2xA4 + 3mm all round for bleeds. When this is trimmed and sliced on the mighty guillotine, you end up with A4 pages as far as the reader is concerned, but the total area of the page will never extend beyond the 3mm bleed. > The middle sheet is A4, sheets away from the centre are bigger than > A4, as the creep pushes the A5's outwards. > The problem would be if you had scale to fit switched on, because > the outer sheets would print at a smaller scale than the inner ones. Methinks creep should be applied after the scaling! > This brings up the question, should creep shift the positions of > the pages (as just described) or just shift the position of what is > printed on the pages? I believe you need to arrange this so that creep shifts the position of what is on the page, bearing in mind the bleeds round the OUTSIDE edges of the page pair. I could explain this better with a large piece of paper, sorry. But I have worked at a book printer - mind you, only the really technical members of staff knew what creep was - when imposing film for 500 page books, 32 pages a sheet, you don't have time to worry about creep of less than 1mm over a 32 page section. Regards (PC) / Love from (non PC but nicer) [delete as applicable] Thos -- T. R. Tanner email: ttehtann@argonet.co.uk; ZFC A; Clanorak and StrongArmed web page: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/ttehtann Warning: Here be random taglines! .... Pop Tarts. Perhaps the most disgusting thing you can put in a toaster. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 21 14:22:54 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48431 for opro ; Tue, 21 Oct 97 14:22:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877419803:12:04321:38; Tue, 21 Oct 97 08:43:23 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1518053; 21 Oct 97 8:42 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2003670; 21 Oct 97 8:42 BST From: Chris Manning Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:35:09 +0100 Organization: Organisation? Er, no... Subject: Re: Ovation Pro and !PDF To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971021.083509.89@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 10:39:23 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971017.090750.00@risc.demon.co.uk> David H Wild wrote: > I bought myself a Psion 5, and one of the manuals is in PDF format, so I > ran !PDF to extract the text so that I could read it. The next time I tried > to load Ovation Pro I was told that it wasn't licensed for this machine, > and that I should re-install. It seems to be OK here. I've just run Pdf 0.71a, and OPro 2.46 still works OK. Chris To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 21 14:22:59 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48433 for opro ; Tue, 21 Oct 97 14:22:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877419806:06:22181:38; Tue, 21 Oct 97 08:43:26 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1518056; 21 Oct 97 8:42 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac2003670; 21 Oct 97 8:42 BST From: "W,H, Stenfert Kroese" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:35:30 +0100 Organization: Subject: !EndNotes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971021.083530.90@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:27:14 +0100 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Am delighted with applet !EndNotes. Writing a book and it saves me hours of work getting the notes right. BUT, there are two buts: 1. I took over the styles as they stood. But the notes in the text are very seldom in superscript, so I have to change that by hand. Not very important but all the same.. 2. What is irritating is that after a while it seems to put out of action. The key 'delete' only acts as a back- space. Choosing PC delete does not help. Only thing is switch applet off, do the deleting and switch it on again when the next not comes up. Even so it is an improvement,but.. I'd be grateful for suggestions. Kroese. -- W.H. Stenfert Kroese, Dr. Schaepmanlaan 11,3972 ET Driebergen, The Netherlands. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 21 14:23:05 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48435 for opro ; Tue, 21 Oct 97 14:23:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877419937:05:14120:37; Tue, 21 Oct 97 08:45:37 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac1518361; 21 Oct 97 8:44 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2003912; 21 Oct 97 8:44 BST From: David Graddol Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:35:52 +0100 Organization: The English Co UK Ltd Subject: An Ovation publication To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971021.083552.11@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:59:33 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tuesday 21st October a book of mine is to be launched with some glitz at The Royal Society in London. The book is an A4 document which explores the effects of globalisation, the internet and other world trends on the use of English worldwide. Lots of graphics and complex double page layouts, using spot colour on every page. Why am I telling you this? Because it was all done with Ovation Pro & Artworks and, to a lesser extent, Photodesk. I would like to publically thank David Pilling for making it possible, and Tony Tolver for handling the film. This is a high profile publication - it was commissioned by the British Council and will be exported to over 100 countries; it carries a foreword by the Prince of Wales, no less, and the launch party includes some well known authors and media figures. It is nice to be able to say quietly in such company that the book was created using entirely British technology and software. If anyone is interested in the thing itself (it's called 'The Future of English?'), take a look at our web page . Details of the launch are on the British Council's pages at . Thanks again, David -- David Graddol The English Company (UK) Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 21 14:23:10 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48437 for opro ; Tue, 21 Oct 97 14:23:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877421578:12:10315:90; Tue, 21 Oct 97 09:12:58 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1523465; 21 Oct 97 9:12 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac2007767; 21 Oct 97 9:12 BST From: "R.I. Scott" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:54:03 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: loaders To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971021.085403.49@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 19:36:25 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 20 Oct 97 (11:46:49 +0100), jkhm100@york.ac.uk wrote: > Also, my friend is supposed to be doing a project about different > speech styles, I've got a copy of the module Jive, which livens up > text, and I was wondering if there were any others like that out there. That sounds interesting .. where did you get it from? Ian Scott To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 21 14:23:15 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48439 for opro ; Tue, 21 Oct 97 14:23:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877421578:05:22873:82; Tue, 21 Oct 97 09:12:58 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1523465; 21 Oct 97 9:12 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ad2007767; 21 Oct 97 9:11 BST From: Carl Cepurneek Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:53:10 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Data transfer again To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971021.085310.76@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:31:48 +0930 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Sudipta enquired... >about getting data to/from Arcs or RiscPCs to Apple Macs? I have heard of >AppleFS and MacFS, but I'd like to hear about some experiences first. I've tried a PD mac disc reader but find the task just as easy to use PC format floppies which both the RiscPC and the Mac can read/write. There are sometimes problems with choices, but I'm used to search/replace and havn't bothered with the utilities that can do the conversion. Regards, cpc To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 21 14:23:20 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48441 for opro ; Tue, 21 Oct 97 14:23:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877421669:12:10686:82; Tue, 21 Oct 97 09:14:29 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1523851; 21 Oct 97 9:14 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2008182; 21 Oct 97 9:13 BST From: Peter Bond Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:52:15 +0100 Organization: home Subject: Re: loaders To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971021.085215.08@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:45:07 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971020.114649.12@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Are there any free loaders out there for loading stuff like word perfect > 5.2/6, can anyone recommend a site for stuff like this? > > Also, my friend is supposed to be doing a project about different speech > styles, I've got a copy of the module Jive, which livens up text, and I > was wondering if there were any others like that out there. > > Thanks for bearing with me, I know this is a bit off the topic line here > There's 'valspeak' which is similar, I think I've heard of 'country- style' - but there's someone on this list who can tell you better than I! -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 21 14:23:25 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48443 for opro ; Tue, 21 Oct 97 14:23:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877421845:12:11307:84; Tue, 21 Oct 97 09:17:25 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1524260; 21 Oct 97 9:16 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2008464; 21 Oct 97 9:15 BST From: julian Meekings Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:52:34 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: spell checking To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971021.085234.10@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:56:39 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, David Pilling wrote: > From: julian Meekings > > >I assume from what you said that you can actually make the spell checker > >recognise sub/super as a style, like to tell me how hard/easy it is, or > >could you just tell us please > > Well it is possible, but not easy. It would mean changes to the > spell check code. > > A few weeks back, someone asked for the spell check to be able > to cope with oddities in foreign languages. I've now added an > interface to do that, a bit more extension would allow > someone to add some script stuff to cope with things like > chemical notation. > > That brings up the other idea which is to write an applet > which sort of does 'grammar' checking on your expressions. > so where can I get this interface, and can you highlight the areas in the script where changes could be made? Julian To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 21 14:23:31 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48445 for opro ; Tue, 21 Oct 97 14:23:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877421854:05:24498:88; Tue, 21 Oct 97 09:17:34 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1524260; 21 Oct 97 9:16 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac2008464; 21 Oct 97 9:16 BST From: richard Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:52:51 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: reverse printing problem To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971021.085251.96@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:22:24 +0800 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Thu 09 Oct, Phil Dennison wrote: > I haven't had any messages from the list for a while, so apologies if > this has been covered. > > I have been trying to print two documents containing large sprite files > using OvationPro 2.46, and TurboDrivers with a HP DJ550c printer. The > problem is that the pictures print reversed, ie as a mirror image, though > they appear fine on the screen. I have been trying to print a letter containing small sprite using OvationPro 2.46, and TurboDriver with an Epson stylus colur the problem is that the picture prints in 2 parts the top 1/3 prints upside down though they appear fine on the screen. -- Richard To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 21 14:23:37 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48447 for opro ; Tue, 21 Oct 97 14:23:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877421929:12:11559:80; Tue, 21 Oct 97 09:18:49 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1524628; 21 Oct 97 9:18 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2008861; 21 Oct 97 9:17 BST From: Tim King Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:53:27 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Creep problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971021.085327.86@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:32:49 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 20 Oct, Richard Hallas wrote: > > I think it would actually be rather useful to have an on-screen > indication of the creep zone - like a print border - so that pages > can be designed from the outset to fit between it. The inner pages > in a booklet would have all their 'creep zone indicator' regions at > their outer edges, since these would be trimmed off, whilst the outer > pages would have it all in the centre, like a large gutter. Pages > inbetween those two extremes would obviously have varying amounts of > creep zone at their inner and outer edges. Nice idea, though apart from satisfying that innate suspicion of whether the software's actually doing what you think it should be doing, I'm not sure I can imagine real usefulness. Maybe though, just extending it a bit, there could be a preview (as in ) that shows the paper/film size with print margins, and the distribution of the pages on it with creep zones indicated? Don't ask for much, do we ;-) tim -- Complexity and Contradiction - in search of the absurd, the terrifying, and the fragile Tim King, De-Sign: ph +64 9 4783114, fax +64 9 4783164 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 21 14:23:43 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48449 for opro ; Tue, 21 Oct 97 14:23:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877422133:06:07482:31; Tue, 21 Oct 97 09:22:13 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1525217; 21 Oct 97 9:21 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2009325; 21 Oct 97 9:21 BST From: Tim King Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:54:20 +0100 Organization: Subject: Future Creep To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971021.085421.00@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:59:37 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c It strikes me that what we've got now with 4-up is actually pretty good, especially for perfect binding. The *experimental* version of the applet with creep is also pretty good for saddle stitched booklets where a 60 pager can take 5-6mm off outside margins. Book production (A5ish, say) is often put out onto A2 film, so maybe 8-up is also useful. But beyond that I wonder how esoteric it could all become. Looking at printers books of imposition and folding layouts - they're an absolute nightmare (I've done brochures that've ended up with some pretty weird configurations - they got laid up manually!). What I can imagine (and you'd have repro houses dribbling into their Heidelbergs, surely), would be like an imposition editor, where you just drag and drop (or link) page ordering, with rotation, creep, etc configured in. *Really* useful, yes, and *really* at the pro end, as in production. Maybe as a pay-for extension for the print industry? One for the future? Hoping my printer and film house think it's a really good idea: tim -- Complexity and Contradiction - in search of the absurd, the terrifying, and the fragile Tim King, De-Sign: ph +64 9 4783114, fax +64 9 4783164 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 21 14:23:51 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48451 for opro ; Tue, 21 Oct 97 14:23:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877422138:05:26311:80; Tue, 21 Oct 97 09:22:18 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1525293; 21 Oct 97 9:21 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2009325; 21 Oct 97 9:21 BST From: Tim King Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:53:45 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various - Creep To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971021.085345.45@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:19:58 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 20 Oct, Tim King wrote: > On Fri 17 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > > > This brings up the question, should creep shift the positions of the > > pages (as just described) or just shift the position of what is printed > > on the pages? > > Yep. Sounds like it? And just to confirm my assumption in my previous post Aargh! Wrong again, apparently - and replying to my own post! My printer says no. Shift the whole page as before. When it's all folded up, the outside crops should all line up ie it's the relation of the margins to the outside crops that's being preserved by creep. In the old days they did it by just inserting slugs in the gutter of the page pairs ie page relations remained intact. I can't see that the page/paper size problem that seems to be arising is much of an issue for the production of real books, or running to film. OS paper sizes would normally be used anyway, or final production sizes would be made to suit. I mean, even if your finished sheet size is 210x297, the page size you prepare the document at doesn't have to be a full 210x148 (I'm leaving the nasty subject of scaling alone!) - or, your finished sheet size can be smaller than 210x297 (A4 trimmed down) and your document page size is then yet smaller again. I don't think it's too hard, and surely it doesn't need (want?) to be automated within the setup? This is even more relevent I suppose, for people (like schools?) who might just want to whack out a stapled 60 pager on the laser. Another incidental comment from the printer: he checked with one of the publishing/production houses here who do most of their stuff on Quark, and even with the expensive imposition add-on, it's so difficult to use (and not good enough) that they end up doing it all manually. Well, that's gotta be smileys all 'round for OPers ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) tim -- Complexity and Contradiction - in search of the absurd, the terrifying, and the fragile Tim King, De-Sign: ph +64 9 4783114, fax +64 9 4783164 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 21 14:23:59 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48453 for opro ; Tue, 21 Oct 97 14:23:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877422346:05:27597:29; Tue, 21 Oct 97 09:25:46 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1525920; 21 Oct 97 9:24 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2009902; 21 Oct 97 9:24 BST From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:54:37 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971021.085437.81@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 97 01:25:51 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: "Roger Darlington" >Anomaly/bug in OP 2.46: > >Does op 2.47 fix this and where/when can I get it? Yes, a known and a fixed bug. As to how to get 2.47, there's been no change 8-( we're all hanging about waiting for the copy protection squad to work out a way of doing updates on the 'net. Presumeably all we need now is someone to say "Hey Ian will you be updating discs at the show?". Ian McDougall will be at the show, and at the DTP session in the theatre along with Tony Tolver and Mike Williams (11.45-14.45, Saturday). I won't be at the show. From: "A.M.Smith" >With the advent of A2 printing from Canon, is there anything like the >Imposit applet to get 16 pages of A5 from the A2? Has anyone experience >of getting the 5500 to work from the RiscPC and can it cope with >PhotoRealism colours? Xemplars web site has a driver for the 5500. Spacetech have a Canon photorealistic driver. As to printing. All you need is to take the booklet (4 up) script from the Imposition applet and generalise it to 16 up. Perfectly doable. From: julian Meekings >Also, my friend is supposed to be doing a project about different speech >styles, I've got a copy of the module Jive, which livens up text, and I >was wondering if there were any others like that out there. Ah this is where I started, see disc 10 for 'jivetalk' and 'valspeak' 8-) From: David Graddol >> This brings up the question, should creep shift the positions of the pages >> (as just described) or just shift the position of what is printed on the pages? >So I guess this means that if you were using A4 paper, page size would have >to be set at less than A5. Would there then be any difference >in the two approaches? Yes you have to trim... err um. Because of the need for creep, if you pulled a book to pieces and flattened out the sheets, the inner sheets would be smaller than the outer ones. You can't trim all the pages to A4 and then fold them. They'd have to be folded and then trimmed. From: Ariancylch >> The other thing is that we all have the same set of tags, so that >> everyone knows that tagXXX is the name of the author of any document. >....though I don't quite follow this part. If an applet were invented >that added this sort of information, and each applet has a stack of tags >allocated to it and it alone, then the above just falls through? Well if two people wrote applets both of which invented an 'author' tag. Or if someone did an applet and made the tags too specific so that they were of little use in general. Then things would get messy. I'm saying that whoever does this applet should think about others when defining the tags. >Just to be annoying, has there been any progress toward getting 2.47 >released that means we could be given a (vague) time frame? On 'net updates, no progress. Beebug may release 2.47 on disc in the next couple of weeks i.e. pre Acorn show. From: Tim King >So what happens to the crop >marks etc? Do they relate to the A5 page and shift too, or are they fixed on >the imposed page? I think they shift too. >Hmm. I think I've said before, for me, 100% is the only way to go for the >final job. Fit's starting to look like a bigger can of worms all the time;-) Fit *does work*, but printing at anything other than 100% does provoke all sorts of minor infelicities in the printer driver system (non PS). >> This brings up the question, should creep shift the positions of the pages >> (as just described) or just shift the position of what is printed on the >> pages? >Yep. Sounds like it? Which one? >And just to confirm my assumption in my previous post - >and I see Keith Goodier has raised the same point - creep does mean that the >outside pages are the furthest apart? Ie, it creeps from the middle out? In last weeks version, the 'pagesplit' is the minimum split between pages, the value for the middle pair. The outer pairs then move away from this value. >Um, again, something we've talked about before. If what you're going to do >with creep is shift the page around within a larger printed area, how easy to >put in an option to shift a large page around by much bigger amounts under a >smaller printable area (the proofing a small section thing)? Oh a different question. It's no problem, other than finding time. From: Tom Tanner From: Richard Hallas Good points... From: George Foot (private mail) >The mystery of disagreement between Epson >Printer Model 3000 and the Acorn Drivers has persisted. >All is resolved. >The trouble has been that for sheets of all sizes >(up to A2) inserted in the sheet feeder at the front of >the Printer, printing ceased after a length of paper >equal to the length of an A4 sheet had passed through >the machine. >The reason it transpires is that Epson has a very useful >Self_Test feature. This automatically measures the >the length of paper fed into the machine for the Self-Test >to avoid printing on the platen and other disreputable >practices. >However it then adjusts the default length to be the >length of the paper used for Self_Test. So if the >Self-Test paper was A4 the printer assumes that all >sheets following are also A4. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 24 13:56:35 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48756 for opro ; Fri, 24 Oct 97 13:56:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877680275:12:02308:80; Fri, 24 Oct 97 09:04:35 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1519026; 24 Oct 97 9:03 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id af2001293; 24 Oct 97 9:03 BST From: A et J leraut Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:56:53 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: reverse printing problem To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971024.085653.97@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:15:21 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c >I have been trying to print a letter containing small sprite using >OvationPro 2.46, and TurboDriver with an Epson stylus colur the problem >is that the picture prints in 2 parts the top 1/3 prints upside down >though they appear fine on the screen. With the same printer and Acorn drivers, I have the same problem. Alain To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 24 13:56:40 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48758 for opro ; Fri, 24 Oct 97 13:56:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877680280:05:22213:87; Fri, 24 Oct 97 09:04:40 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1519026; 24 Oct 97 9:03 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ag2001293; 24 Oct 97 9:03 BST From: Colin Mackinlay Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:58:05 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Net upgrades To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971024.085805.18@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:37:48 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 21 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > As to how to get 2.47, there's been no change 8-( we're all > hanging about waiting for the copy protection squad to > work out a way of doing updates on the 'net. ANT have an excellent system. I know that the security systems are not the same but theirs is definitely designed with upgrades in mind. Surely at some point it becomes cost effective to negotiate terms and work with other companies who are good at this rather than reinventing the wheel? With Bill Gates finally facing some resistance to his conquer all - buy my systems approach, perhaps there is a lesson for the Acorn World. United we stand, divided we fall? Since ANT and Beebug are hardly in direct product competition I would have thought such a collaboration would make good business sense. Just an idea. Colin Mackinlay -- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 24 13:56:46 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48760 for opro ; Fri, 24 Oct 97 13:56:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877680341:12:02509:80; Fri, 24 Oct 97 09:05:41 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1519210; 24 Oct 97 9:04 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ai2001293; 24 Oct 97 9:04 BST From: Richard Cassidy Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:58:59 +0100 Organization: Subject: Outline colour for fonts To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971024.085859.51@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:08:37 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Assuming I havn't missed anything obvious, but, I cannot find a way of having different outline and fill colours for text. I find this really handy for magazine covers and headlines - Artworks does it, but its text handling is 'challenging', and I really don't want to have to import files to get this effect. Can anyone help? Cheers Richard Disclaimer: Apologies if this has been talked about before, but I really couldn't find it in the OPro mail archives! -- _______________________________________________________________________ Graphite Design & Presentation http://www.fwservices.com/graphite Information graphite.info@argonet.co.uk Sales graphite.sales@argonet.co.uk Other enquiries graphite@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 24 13:56:51 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48762 for opro ; Fri, 24 Oct 97 13:56:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877680349:05:22737:81; Fri, 24 Oct 97 09:05:49 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad1519282; 24 Oct 97 9:05 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ad2001293; 24 Oct 97 9:04 BST From: Bernard Veasey Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:59:17 +0100 Organization: Subject: Saving an OvPro Page as a Draw File To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971024.085917.55@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 07:10:08 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Does anybody know of a way of saving an Ovation Pro page as a Draw file(s) please? I don't just mean saving the contents of a graphic frame. I mean being able to save a complete OvPro page - Text and Graphics. The reason for this is that I have recently needed to send someone an Ovation Pro file for printing out their end, but as they didn't possess OvPro they couldn't do this. If only I could have sent them a Draw file instead! The routine or Applet to do this would need to save a multi-page OvPro document in the form of a directory containing individual Draw files - one for each page. -- _ _ | |_ ___ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _| | | '_\/ -_) '_| ' \ /_` | '_|/_' | |_._/\___|_| |_||_|\_,_|_| \_._| using a StrongARM powered Acorn Risc PC Email: bernard.veasey@argonet.co.uk Web: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/bernard.veasey To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 24 13:56:57 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48764 for opro ; Fri, 24 Oct 97 13:56:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877680418:05:23186:28; Fri, 24 Oct 97 09:06:58 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1519282; 24 Oct 97 9:05 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ah2001293; 24 Oct 97 9:04 BST From: Chris Johnson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:58:41 +0100 Organization: Subject: Import of tables To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971024.085841.17@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:30:32 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I regularly import tables from Tablemate Designer. If the table is imported as an embedded frame, I find that often the frame is *slightly* too small for the table, in that when printed, one or more of the outer border lines (of the table, not the frame, which is usually border-free) is either completely missing, or is printed at half thickness. It is easily fixed by dragging the frame borders slightly larger, but is often forgotten, particularly if importing a lot of small tables. Has anyone else noticed this? Chris -- CHRIS JOHNSON (work) mailto: c.a.johnson@hw.ac.uk Department of Chemistry (home) mailto: chris@bulldog.u-net.com Heriot-Watt University Edinburgh EH14 4AS To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 24 13:57:02 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48766 for opro ; Fri, 24 Oct 97 13:57:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877680423:05:23169:82; Fri, 24 Oct 97 09:07:03 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac1519409; 24 Oct 97 9:06 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id al2001293; 24 Oct 97 9:05 BST From: Ariancylch Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:56:34 +0100 Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body Subject: Re: Data transfer again To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971024.085634.71@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:05:43 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971021.085310.76@risc.demon.co.uk> Carl Cepurneek wrote: > Sudipta enquired... > > > about getting data to/from Arcs or RiscPCs to Apple Macs? I have > > heard of AppleFS and MacFS, but I'd like to hear about some > > experiences first. > > I've tried a PD mac disc reader but find the task just as easy to use > PC format floppies which both the RiscPC and the Mac can read/write. Just for the record, we've never had any problem transferring the -data- to a Mac - we use MacFS and a Mac SCSI drive of some form - the problem that's usually occured is -producing suitable data-, that is, some form of output that the copy place can deal with, since that's the only time we care about putting things on the Macs. In that sense I was interested in an earlier conversation that occured here about OvPro possibly including greater/better support for (mac usable) postscript... -- I won't use words again May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said places where you must walk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 24 13:57:06 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48767 for opro ; Fri, 24 Oct 97 13:57:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877680424:05:23172:80; Fri, 24 Oct 97 09:07:04 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1519409; 24 Oct 97 9:06 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ak2001293; 24 Oct 97 9:05 BST From: Peter Bond Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:56:16 +0100 Organization: home Subject: Re: An Ovation publication To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971024.085616.01@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:40:05 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971021.083552.11@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > On Tuesday 21st October a book of mine is to be launched with some > glitz at The Royal Society in London. The book is an A4 document which > explores the effects of globalisation, the internet and other > world trends on the use of English worldwide. Lots of graphics > and complex double page layouts, using spot colour on every page. > Wonderful news - congratulations! > This is a high profile publication - it was commissioned by the > British Council and will be exported to over 100 countries; it > carries a foreword by the Prince of Wales, no less, and the launch > party includes some well known authors and media figures. It is > nice to be able to say quietly in such company that the book was > created using entirely British technology and software. > Does it actually *say* this (in small print)? -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 24 13:57:13 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48769 for opro ; Fri, 24 Oct 97 13:57:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877680428:05:23166:88; Fri, 24 Oct 97 09:07:08 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1519600; 24 Oct 97 9:06 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id am2001293; 24 Oct 97 9:06 BST From: "\"James White (Acorns in Spain" MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at post.mail.demon.net Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:57:47 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: An Ovation publication To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971024.085747.75@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:01:02 +0200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 21 Oct, David Graddol wrote: >=20 > On Tuesday 21st October a book of mine is to be launched with some > glitz at The Royal Society in London. Congratulations and well done! > Why am I telling you this? Because it was all done with Ovation Pro > & Artworks and, to a lesser extent, Photodesk. I would like to > publically thank David Pilling for making it possible, and Tony > Tolver for handling the film. It was with the same feeling of pride in a British product that I reported a little while back the successful use of an RPC with O-Pro in the reproduction of 17th and 18th century music associated with Granada Cathedral. A very big undertaking. Now that has been followed by a 4-volume set of coursebooks that provides all the music curriculum for schools in Andalucia. Many thousands of sets now bear the Acorn logo through a 'county' that is larger, and with greater music-making potential, than the whole of Austria. > It is > nice to be able to say quietly in such company that the book was > created using entirely British technology and software. > Yes, congratulations to the (small) band of developers in the Acorn market who produce the topmost quality working environments for us. The anomaly here is that at the same time as the developing ground-swell of quality products from the Acorn community, Acorn itself has let slip the development of its 'home' market. I wonder just how long this stand-off can continue. JW --=20 ------------------------------------------- Sibelius en Spain: Mailto:jacorn@ibm.net En Andalucia: Mailto:pmoya@valnet.es Visita a http://www.argonet.co.uk/opus/spain =A1En Castellano! El EXPO ACORN WORLD! http://www.argonet.co.uk/acornworld97/ =20 ------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 24 13:57:19 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48771 for opro ; Fri, 24 Oct 97 13:57:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877680485:12:03006:81; Fri, 24 Oct 97 09:08:05 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1519600; 24 Oct 97 9:07 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id an2001293; 24 Oct 97 9:06 BST From: Colin Thompson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:58:24 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: An Ovation publication To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971024.085824.41@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:27:35 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 21 Oct, David Graddol wrote: > > On Tuesday 21st October a book of mine is to be launched with some > glitz at The Royal Society in London. The book is an A4 document which > explores the effects of globalisation, the internet and other > world trends on the use of English worldwide. Lots of graphics > and complex double page layouts, using spot colour on every page. > > Why am I telling you this? Because it was all done with Ovation Pro > & Artworks and, to a lesser extent, Photodesk. I would like to > publically thank David Pilling for making it possible, and Tony > Tolver for handling the film. Well, I don't like to blow my own trumpet, but I have had sixteen books published since 1991, another out this month and four next year (+ two at least in 1999 and three in 2000!!) and they were all written on Acorns. Publisher and now OvationPro. I can't claim 100 countries, but I have sold over half a million books and spread the Acorn gospel whenever I can. Have a look at my website. Unfortunately, once I hand everything over to my publishers - Random House and Hodder Headline - they all end up on Macs or PCs. :-) Colin Thompson FUTURE EDEN - Coming soon to a computer near you. Email . . . colinet@atlantis.aust.com Homepage . http://www.atlantis.aust.com/~colinet To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 24 13:57:25 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48773 for opro ; Fri, 24 Oct 97 13:57:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877680486:12:03011:83; Fri, 24 Oct 97 09:08:06 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1519739; 24 Oct 97 9:07 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ao2001293; 24 Oct 97 9:07 BST From: Rupert Thompson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:55:57 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: !EndNotes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971024.085557.65@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:52:06 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 21 Oct, W,H, Stenfert Kroese wrote: > Am delighted with applet !EndNotes. Writing a book and > it saves me hours of work getting the notes right. > BUT, there are two buts: > 1. I took over the styles as they stood. But the notes > in the text are very seldom in superscript, so I have > to change that by hand. Not very important but all the same.. This is a Design Feature of Ovation. The trouble is, if you put in a *manual* superscript using Shift-Ctrl-+ (or whatever it is), and then turn off manual superscript using Shift-Ctrl-+ again, what you've actually done with the second Shift-Ctrl-+ is apply a text effect "not superscript"; and then no style is able to turn superscript on. Instead, when you apply a text effect, you should used Ctrl-L (or is it Shift-Ctrl-L?) to Clear All Effects. The same thing also happens with italic, bold and underline text effects, and using the palette to change font. All of these stop styles from changing the relevant text attributes. > 2. What is irritating is that after a while it seems to put > out of action. The key 'delete' only acts as a back- > space. Choosing PC delete does not help. Only thing is > switch applet off, do the deleting and switch it on again > when the next not comes up. Even so it is an improvement,but.. Right, what's going on here is you can't be allowed to delete note anchors, so EndNotes traps delete attempts when ENote Anchor or BAnchor is an active style. Sometimes, if you use "Delete End Note" to delete a note, the ENote Anchor style can get left behind. If this happens, you can just select the troublesome area of text and use the Style menu to cancel the ENote style. I thought this had largely been fixed in the latest version (2.70), which is available from my website but not from Beebugs, it seems. > I'd be grateful for suggestions. > Kroese. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK Research Fellow Tel. 01223 335511 / 0402 130221 http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 24 13:57:32 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48775 for opro ; Fri, 24 Oct 97 13:57:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877680558:12:03240:87; Fri, 24 Oct 97 09:09:18 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1519896; 24 Oct 97 9:08 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aq2001293; 24 Oct 97 9:08 BST From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:57:30 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971024.085730.02@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 97 19:36:18 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: julian Meekings >so where can I get this interface, and can you highlight the areas in the >script where changes could be made? The extension to the spell check is in 2.47. Since we've now closed off 2.47. The extra bit you'd need is not going to be in it, maybe in 2.48 though. From: richard >I have been trying to print a letter containing small sprite using >OvationPro 2.46, and TurboDriver with an Epson stylus colur the problem >is that the picture prints in 2 parts the top 1/3 prints upside down >though they appear fine on the screen. Sounds familiar. You need the CCprfix file in !OvnPro.Library - the latest version of this file is on the beebug web pages (www.beebug.com). From: Tim King >have repro houses dribbling into their Heidelbergs, surely), would be like an >imposition editor, where you just drag and drop (or link) page ordering, with >rotation, creep, etc configured in. *Really* useful, yes, and *really* at the >pro end, as in production. Maybe as a pay-for extension for the print >industry? One for the future? I guess you'd want code to most of the hard work and then be able to fine tune the imposition by hand. What comes next is an extension of the sheets window to all print formats. One step beyond that is to allow the positions in that window to be adjusted. From: "R.I. Scott" From: Peter Bond >jivetalk, valspeak These are demos of the 'lex' lexical anaylser generator program. They act as filters taking English in, and outputing their own dialect. Seemed slightly amusing 10 years back, probably less so now. You can get the lex source code from USENET as I did. If you want the compiled RISC OS versions, drop me an email. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 24 13:57:38 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48777 for opro ; Fri, 24 Oct 97 13:57:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877680558:05:24041:81; Fri, 24 Oct 97 09:09:18 BST Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1519940; 24 Oct 97 9:08 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ap2001293; 24 Oct 97 9:07 BST From: Ernst Dinkla Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:57:12 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Future Creep To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971024.085712.02@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:42:54 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Tim King wrote: > It strikes me that what we've got now with 4-up is actually pretty good, > especially for perfect binding. The *experimental* version of the applet with > creep is also pretty good for saddle stitched booklets where a 60 pager can > take 5-6mm off outside margins. Book production (A5ish, say) is often put out > onto A2 film, so maybe 8-up is also useful. > > But beyond that I wonder how esoteric it could all become. Looking at > printers books of imposition and folding layouts - they're an absolute > nightmare (I've done brochures that've ended up with some pretty weird > configurations - they got laid up manually!). What I can imagine (and you'd > have repro houses dribbling into their Heidelbergs, surely), would be like an > imposition editor, where you just drag and drop (or link) page ordering, with > rotation, creep, etc configured in. *Really* useful, yes, and *really* at the > pro end, as in production. Maybe as a pay-for extension for the print > industry? One for the future? > > Hoping my printer and film house think it's a really good idea: tim I agree on that. Binding asks for a certain folding layout. Presses have different sizes and their size isn't always an A size or the extended version of the A size, sizes based on 50 x 70 cm. are common, 100 x 70 and 140 x 100 exist. Check the paper catalogue of Wiggins and you get an idea what formats are used. Even printers with the same equipment may use a different imposition. There're still printers that do their imposition manually after setting the films with the newest equipment. Imposition has to be done in an early stage when the platemaker doesn't use films though. I wouldn't recommend an integrated complicated imposition applet. Maybe something that covers just the available sizes of inkjets and laserprinters. The Epson range goes up to A2. Creep between the two sides of the printed sheet can be neglected as the sheets in this kind of printers have a max. of 150 gr/m2. Any complicated system should work outside Ovation and use PS output, there must be something in the Unix world that can be ported. Ernst -- Even a blind pig finds an acorn sometimes Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 27 13:40:20 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48936 for opro ; Mon, 27 Oct 97 13:40:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877943368:12:16726:87; Mon, 27 Oct 97 09:09:28 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1520352; 27 Oct 97 9:09 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ad2012230; 27 Oct 97 9:08 GMT From: Tim King Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:04:52 +0000 Organization: Subject: Slow down auto-scroll To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971027.090452.19@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:31:41 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Auto-scrolling - when drawing a frame etc, you move beyond the window and the page moves to kep you in view - has always been terrifyingly fast for me. That 2mm nudge has me upended on the bottom of the page! Any way of slowing it down? tim -- Complexity and Contradiction - in search of the absurd, the terrifying, and the fragile Tim King, De-Sign: ph +64 9 4783114, fax +64 9 4783164 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 27 13:40:24 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48938 for opro ; Mon, 27 Oct 97 13:40:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877943368:05:09858:79; Mon, 27 Oct 97 09:09:28 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1520343; 27 Oct 97 9:09 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2012230; 27 Oct 97 9:08 GMT From: Nigel Parker Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:02:24 +0000 Organization: Subject: Equation editor To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971027.090224.77@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:59:56 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I'm fed up with Formulix. It's fairly capable, but the user interface is appalling. Does anybody know of an applet or OLE compatible application which would be a suitable replacement for Formulix? As an aside - is there a reason why my embedded Formulix object has been truncated? The beginning of the equation is lost in OvPro, but when editing it (via OLE) back in Formulix it's all there!! Nigel Parker -- Girton College Cambridge England CB3 0JG 01223 338999 (messages only) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 27 13:40:29 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48940 for opro ; Mon, 27 Oct 97 13:40:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877943386:12:16784:91; Mon, 27 Oct 97 09:09:46 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1520352; 27 Oct 97 9:09 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ae2012230; 27 Oct 97 9:09 GMT From: Chris Johnson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:01:27 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Outline colour for fonts To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971027.090127.37@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:07:44 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 24 Oct, Richard Cassidy wrote: > Assuming I havn't missed anything obvious, but, I cannot find a way of > having different outline and fill colours for text. I find this really > handy for magazine covers and headlines - Artworks does it, but its > text handling is 'challenging', and I really don't want to have to > import files to get this effect. Can anyone help? > I guess you need to convert the outline font to a path, as in Draw. This though means the import of a Draw file. OK for a standard front page heading but not if you are wanting to use the effect throughout the document. Chris -- CHRIS JOHNSON (work) mailto: c.a.johnson@hw.ac.uk Department of Chemistry (home) mailto: chris@bulldog.u-net.com Heriot-Watt University Edinburgh EH14 4AS To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 27 13:40:34 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48942 for opro ; Mon, 27 Oct 97 13:40:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877943434:12:16965:85; Mon, 27 Oct 97 09:10:34 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1520565; 27 Oct 97 9:10 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id af2012230; 27 Oct 97 9:09 GMT From: "R.I. Scott" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:02:05 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Import of tables To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971027.090205.90@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 97 00:12:20 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 24 Oct 97 (08:58:41 +0100), c.a.johnson@hw.ac.uk wrote: > tables from Tablemate Designer. > > If the table is imported as an embedded frame, I find that often the > frame is *slightly* too small for the table, in that when printed, one > or more of the outer border lines (of the table, not the frame, which > is usually border-free) is either completely missing, or is printed at > half thickness. Yes, I've had the same problem when printing out timetables produced in TMD. As you say the problem is easily solved, but irritating nevertheless. Is it a fault of Ovation or Tablemate ..? Ian Scott To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 27 13:40:39 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48944 for opro ; Mon, 27 Oct 97 13:40:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877943438:05:10291:84; Mon, 27 Oct 97 09:10:38 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac1520654; 27 Oct 97 9:10 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ag2012230; 27 Oct 97 9:10 GMT From: "W,H, Stenfert Kroese" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:02:43 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Import of tables To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971027.090243.47@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:35:10 +0100 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 24 Oct, Chris Johnson wrote: > I regularly import tables from Tablemate Designer. > > If the table is imported as an embedded frame, I find that often the > frame is *slightly* too small for the table, in that when printed, one or > more of the outer border lines (of the table, not the frame, which is > usually border-free) is either completely missing, or is printed at half > thickness. > > Has anyone else noticed this? > > Chris > I've had text leaking from the frame on the right hand side. As you say, easily repaire, but ... Kroese -- W.H. Stenfert Kroese, Dr. Schaepmanlaan 11,3972 ET Driebergen, The Netherlands. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 27 13:40:44 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48946 for opro ; Mon, 27 Oct 97 13:40:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877943498:05:10685:79; Mon, 27 Oct 97 09:11:38 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1520775; 27 Oct 97 9:11 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ah2012230; 27 Oct 97 9:10 GMT From: "R.I. Scott" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:03:39 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Import of tables To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971027.090339.28@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 97 00:12:20 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 24 Oct 97 (08:58:41 +0100), c.a.johnson@hw.ac.uk wrote: > tables from Tablemate Designer. > > If the table is imported as an embedded frame, I find that often the > frame is *slightly* too small for the table, in that when printed, one > or more of the outer border lines (of the table, not the frame, which > is usually border-free) is either completely missing, or is printed at > half thickness. Yes, I've had the same problem when printing out timetables produced in TMD. As you say the problem is easily solved, but irritating nevertheless. Is it a fault of Ovation or Tablemate ..? Ian Scott To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 27 13:40:49 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48948 for opro ; Mon, 27 Oct 97 13:40:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877943566:05:11097:81; Mon, 27 Oct 97 09:12:46 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1520953; 27 Oct 97 9:12 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id an2012230; 27 Oct 97 9:11 GMT From: "Sveinung W. Tengelsen" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:01:47 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Outline colour for fonts To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971027.090147.09@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:17:18 +0000 (GMT+1) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 24 Oct, Richard Cassidy wrote: > Assuming I havn't missed anything obvious, but, I cannot find a way of > having different outline and fill colours for text. I find this really > handy for magazine covers and headlines - Artworks does it, but its text > handling is 'challenging', and I really don't want to have to import files > to get this effect. Can anyone help? AFAIK this is a limitation of the FontManager, and one which ought to be removed in the next revision. I'd also like to see the possibility of adding transparencies (no other platform has that, AFAIK) and shadows (MacOS has had *it* for years). Now, who@acorn is responsible for developing the FM, again? Lobby, lobby... :) -- Regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- mailto:pixeleye@sn.no | I have one illusion; http://www.sn.no/~pixeleye/Index.htm | I have no illusions. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 27 13:40:55 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48951 for opro ; Mon, 27 Oct 97 13:40:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877943566:05:11088:81; Mon, 27 Oct 97 09:12:46 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1520992; 27 Oct 97 9:12 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ao2012230; 27 Oct 97 9:12 GMT From: Gavin Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:03:21 +0000 Organization: Quercus Computer Systems Subject: Re: Import of tables To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971027.090321.38@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 00:06:26 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971024.085841.17@risc.demon.co.uk> Chris Johnson wrote: > I regularly import tables from Tablemate Designer. > > If the table is imported as an embedded frame, I find that often the > frame is *slightly* too small for the table, in that when printed, one or > more of the outer border lines (of the table, not the frame, which is > usually border-free) is either completely missing, or is printed at half > thickness. It is easily fixed by dragging the frame borders slightly > larger, but is often forgotten, particularly if importing a lot of small > tables. > > Has anyone else noticed this? > > Chris > I have plain TableMate and it does the same. Also if a table is dropped straight onto a default OP page and the bottom RH corner of the resulting frame is dragged to the full size of the default page frame then the contents disappear ! they re-appear if frame reduced a bit. - bit odd, but not a real problem? Gavin -- Gavin Dewar Quercus Computer Systems | Design & Supply of Long Preston, Nr Skipton | Industrial Control Systems North Yorkshire. | from the Yorkshire Dales. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 27 13:41:02 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48954 for opro ; Mon, 27 Oct 97 13:41:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877943568:12:17399:29; Mon, 27 Oct 97 09:12:48 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1520947; 27 Oct 97 9:12 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ai2012230; 27 Oct 97 9:11 GMT From: "\"James White (Acorns in Spain" MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at post.mail.demon.net Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:04:34 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971027.090434.83@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 12:30:56 +0200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 24 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > > > The extension to the spell check is in 2.47. Since we've now closed off= 2.47. > The extra bit you'd need is not going to be in it, maybe in 2.48 though. > Aha, if 2.47 is closed off, does that mean one can get get that at the Show? And do I need my Passport or something? JW --=20 ------------------------------------------- Sibelius en Spain: Mailto:jacorn@ibm.net (en Mallorca) En Andalucia: Mailto:pmoya@valnet.es (en Granada) Visita a http://www.argonet.co.uk/opus/spain =A1En Castellano! El EXPO ACORN WORLD! http://www.argonet.co.uk/acornworld97/ En Londres= =20 ------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 27 13:41:10 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48958 for opro ; Mon, 27 Oct 97 13:41:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877943606:05:11397:87; Mon, 27 Oct 97 09:13:26 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1521062; 27 Oct 97 9:12 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ap2012230; 27 Oct 97 9:12 GMT From: Mr R Coleman Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:04:15 +0000 Organization: Subject: Printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971027.090415.74@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 97 11:38:48 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I have recently written a printer status program which sits on the icon bar and changes it's icon to reflect the state of the printer on the parallel port, it also checks the state of the printer when you print from another application or drag a file to the !Printer icon. It does this by watching for a couple of printer messages. My program does not work with OPro since OPro does not send these messages. If you drag a file to the !Printers icon my program can do its thing, but not if you print from OPro. Is it possible to change this so that my program can check to confirm that the printer is switched on, offline or out of paper ? Thanks Richard Coleman -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | coleman@argonet.co.uk (Home) r.i.coleman@brs0602.wins.icl.co.uk (Work) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 27 13:41:16 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48960 for opro ; Mon, 27 Oct 97 13:41:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877943622:05:11460:83; Mon, 27 Oct 97 09:13:42 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1521196; 27 Oct 97 9:13 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aq2012230; 27 Oct 97 9:13 GMT From: Paul Hutton Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:03:02 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Import of tables To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971027.090302.09@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 22:51:43 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 24 Oct, Chris Johnson wrote: > I regularly import tables from Tablemate Designer. > > If the table is imported as an embedded frame, I find that often the > frame is *slightly* too small for the table, in that when printed, one or > more of the outer border lines (of the table, not the frame, which is > usually border-free) is either completely missing, or is printed at half > thickness. It is easily fixed by dragging the frame borders slightly > larger, but is often forgotten, particularly if importing a lot of small > tables. > > Has anyone else noticed this? > > Chris > > -- > CHRIS JOHNSON (work) mailto: c.a.johnson@hw.ac.uk > Department of Chemistry (home) mailto: chris@bulldog.u-net.com > Heriot-Watt University > Edinburgh EH14 4AS > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk > with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l > To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l > > > Dear Chris- me too! Also, if you use TMD and use a font scale ratio of less than 100%, to stretch text vertically, it goes haywire and doesn't work at all well- no condensing of text as an embedded file- a real pain. I have e-mailed dalriade about this but have heard nothing for over a week now. If you get an answer to your problem could you let me know too? It's really annoying as it just misses out borders, usually at the bottom of the document... -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "Peu s'en fallut que je ne mourusse d'ennui dans mon village" A beautiful French sentence... To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 27 13:41:23 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA48962 for opro ; Mon, 27 Oct 97 13:41:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 877943635:12:17700:79; Mon, 27 Oct 97 09:13:55 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1521296; 27 Oct 97 9:13 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ar2012230; 27 Oct 97 9:13 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:03:57 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971027.090357.42@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 22:09:19 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: A et J leraut >>I have been trying to print a letter containing small sprite using >>OvationPro 2.46, and TurboDriver with an Epson stylus colur the problem >>is that the picture prints in 2 parts the top 1/3 prints upside down >>though they appear fine on the screen. >With the same printer and Acorn drivers, I have the same problem. I'm surprised by that. The common problem is upside down printing due to CC's printer drivers interpreting a sprite render call in the opposite sense to RISC OS. If you can show me an example of something else, then I'd be very interested. From: Colin Mackinlay >ANT have an excellent system. I know that the security systems are not the >same but theirs is definitely designed with upgrades in mind. >product competition I would have thought such a collaboration would make >good business sense. We've fallen over because two parts of the same company can't talk... never mind involving third parties. ANT do have some advantages in having a net based product. What works for a browser won't necessarily work for something else. From: Richard Cassidy >Assuming I havn't missed anything obvious, but, I cannot find a way of >having different outline and fill colours for text. I find this really >handy for magazine covers and headlines - Artworks does it, but its text >handling is 'challenging', and I really don't want to have to import files >to get this effect. Can anyone help? No. ArtWorks I think has the advantage of its own font manager. You can't do this in OPro. You could of course put the text in Draw, convert to path, and then set up different colours. From: Bernard Veasey >Does anybody know of a way of saving an Ovation Pro page as a Draw >file(s) please? I don't just mean saving the contents of a graphic >frame. I mean being able to save a complete OvPro page - Text and >Graphics. Another No. >If only I could have sent them a Draw file instead! The catch is always going to be that OPro can output some things which Draw files don't support. The famous irregular clipping curves for example. ArtWorks files for another. It would be a good feature even with limitations though. There is the gratuitous suggestion of printing to PostScript and then using something like RiscScript to convert to Draw. From: Chris Johnson >If the table is imported as an embedded frame, I find that often the >frame is *slightly* too small for the table, in that when printed, one or >more of the outer border lines (of the table, not the frame, which is >usually border-free) is either completely missing, or is printed at half >thickness. It is easily fixed by dragging the frame borders slightly >larger, but is often forgotten, particularly if importing a lot of small >tables. Presumeably there's scope for this being an OPro bug. It's a tricky area scales are calculated assuming continuity, in real life rendering is onto pixels. So looking on screen just now at 100%, yes the bottom line is clipped, look at 400% and it's OK. I'm wondering about adding a new feature, allowing a margin to be specified when scaling pictures to fit? From: Rupert Thompson >This is a Design Feature of Ovation. The trouble is, if you >put in a *manual* superscript using Shift-Ctrl-+ (or whatever it >is), and then turn off manual superscript using Shift-Ctrl-+ again, >what you've actually done with the second Shift-Ctrl-+ is apply >a text effect "not superscript"; and then no style is able to >turn superscript on. Not a very good feature though... Could probably do better. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 28 13:50:12 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49038 for opro ; Tue, 28 Oct 97 13:50:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878030449:05:11181:85; Tue, 28 Oct 97 09:20:49 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1527696; 28 Oct 97 9:20 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab1011447; 28 Oct 97 9:19 GMT From: Ray Dawson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:12:22 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Import of tables To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971028.091222.66@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:45:00 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c R.I. Scott wrote: > Yes, I've had the same problem when printing out timetables > produced in TMD. As you say the problem is easily solved, but > irritating nevertheless. Is it a fault of Ovation or Tablemate ..? Well, the same TableMate file dropped into Publisher doesn't do it. So, ... Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 28 13:50:19 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49039 for opro ; Tue, 28 Oct 97 13:50:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878030449:05:11290:28; Tue, 28 Oct 97 09:20:49 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1527685; 28 Oct 97 9:19 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac1011447; 28 Oct 97 9:19 GMT From: Ray Dawson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:12:58 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Import of tables To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971028.091258.73@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:43:50 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Gavin wrote: > I have plain TableMate and it does the same. > Also if a table is dropped straight onto a default OP page > and the bottom RH corner of the resulting frame is dragged to > the full size of the default page frame then the contents disappear > ! they re-appear if frame reduced a bit. - bit odd, but not a real > problem? That because of the 1mm inset on the default page. You have made the embedded frame wider/longer than the page allows and therefore it doesn't disp[lay the image. Either turn the inset off or make the frame slightly smaller. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 28 13:50:39 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49041 for opro ; Tue, 28 Oct 97 13:50:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878030457:05:11330:31; Tue, 28 Oct 97 09:20:57 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1527678; 28 Oct 97 9:20 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1011447; 28 Oct 97 9:18 GMT From: Peter Bond Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:12:41 +0000 Organization: home Subject: Re: Slow down auto-scroll To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971028.091241.47@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:17:17 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971027.090452.19@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Auto-scrolling - when drawing a frame etc, you move beyond the window and the > page moves to kep you in view - has always been terrifyingly fast for me. > That 2mm nudge has me upended on the bottom of the page! Any way of slowing > it down? > Yes, please! -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 28 13:50:51 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49043 for opro ; Tue, 28 Oct 97 13:50:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878030464:05:11330:106; Tue, 28 Oct 97 09:21:04 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1527696; 28 Oct 97 9:20 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ad1011447; 28 Oct 97 9:20 GMT From: Keith Parker Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:13:16 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Outline colour for fonts To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971028.091316.75@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 97 21:18:25 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 24 Oct 97 (08:58:59 +0100), rcassidy@argonet.co.uk wrote: > Assuming I havn't missed anything obvious, but, I cannot find a way of > having different outline and fill colours for text. I find this really > handy for magazine covers and headlines - Artworks does it, but its > text handling is 'challenging', and I really don't want to have to > import files to get this effect. Can anyone help? Well, I asked Adrian Look of LOOKsystems about this and aside from Acorn redesigning the Font Manager from scratch it won't happen. Sorry but you are back to ArtWorks or Draw ... Keith -- keithp@argonet.co.uk | suep@argonet.co.uk Supporting British RISC technology :-) | A teacher using PCs and Macs :-( To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 28 13:51:06 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49045 for opro ; Tue, 28 Oct 97 13:51:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878030505:12:23667:80; Tue, 28 Oct 97 09:21:45 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1527889; 28 Oct 97 9:20 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id af1011447; 28 Oct 97 9:20 GMT From: Ernst Dinkla Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:13:53 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Outline colour for fonts To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971028.091353.44@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:59:01 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Richard Cassidy wrote: > Assuming I havn't missed anything obvious, but, I cannot find a way of > having different outline and fill colours for text. I find this really > handy for magazine covers and headlines - Artworks does it, but its text > handling is 'challenging', and I really don't want to have to import files > to get this effect. Can anyone help? Apart from import of Draw designs with fonts changed in paths: With !Embolden and some other applications that are on the cover discs of the november issue of AU you can make 'outline' outline fonts of existing fonts quite easy. In this way at least the colour of the outline is changeable. But there's no fill left to colour :-(. It should be possible to use sprites in the fontmanager but I have to check whether it's of any use in this problem. Never done it. Ernst -- Even a blind pig finds an acorn sometimes Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 28 13:51:18 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49047 for opro ; Tue, 28 Oct 97 13:51:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878030515:05:11588:40; Tue, 28 Oct 97 09:21:55 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1527945; 28 Oct 97 9:21 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ag1011447; 28 Oct 97 9:21 GMT From: Keith Goodier Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:14:11 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Import of tables To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971028.091411.47@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 97 11:15:43 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 27 Oct 97 (09:02:05 +0000), ri.scott@argonet.co.uk wrote: >On Fri 24 Oct 97 (08:58:41 +0100), c.a.johnson@hw.ac.uk wrote: >> tables from Tablemate Designer. >> >> If the table is imported as an embedded frame, I find that often the >> frame is *slightly* too small for the table, in that when printed, >> one or more of the outer border lines (of the table, not the frame, >> which is usually border-free) is either completely missing, or is >> printed at half thickness. > >Yes, I've had the same problem when printing out timetables produced in >TMD. As you say the problem is easily solved, but irritating >nevertheless. Is it a fault of Ovation or Tablemate ..? This sounds like a problem I encountered occasionally with Ovation (not Pro) where some drawfiles would not quite automatically fit their frames and lose a small sliver off their edges. My fix for this was to add a frame before importing the file that was slightly larger and transparent. -- |/ |\eith jake@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 28 13:51:29 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49049 for opro ; Tue, 28 Oct 97 13:51:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878030552:05:11774:89; Tue, 28 Oct 97 09:22:32 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1528062; 28 Oct 97 9:22 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ah1011447; 28 Oct 97 9:21 GMT From: Ian MacDougall Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:14:30 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Upgrades to 2.47 and the Show To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971028.091430.57@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:02:40 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c To re-iterate what David has said there will be no upgrades to 2.47 available at the show. So if you are planning a special trip to get your upgrade then find a better reason to come. The reason behind the decision is simply one of a lack of time. There have been many changes to the program from 2.46 and this requires several of the eight disc masters to be upgraded correctly. I felt that given the timescales involved and all of the other preparation I need to do for the show that if I rushed a new version out I would make some sort of error. I will make the upgrade available as soon as I can, with (hopefully) free upgrades available from our WWW site. I will inform you of developments as they occur. I would also like to take this opportunity to note that Sleuth 3 will not be available either contrary to some comments in the Acorn press. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 28 13:51:43 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49051 for opro ; Tue, 28 Oct 97 13:51:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878030579:05:11895:80; Tue, 28 Oct 97 09:22:59 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ae1528062; 28 Oct 97 9:22 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1012029; 28 Oct 97 9:22 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:13:33 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971028.091333.94@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 97 14:41:58 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: Tim King >Auto-scrolling - when drawing a frame etc, you move beyond the window and the >page moves to kep you in view - has always been terrifyingly fast for me. >That 2mm nudge has me upended on the bottom of the page! Any way of slowing >it down? No. This is a fair point, originally we intended slowing it down, but since you are the first person to raise the point... From: Nigel Parker >As an aside - is there a reason why my embedded Formulix object has been >truncated? The beginning of the equation is lost in OvPro, but when >editing it (via OLE) back in Formulix it's all there!! Other than the point about scaling to size not being right in every situation. I can't see why. The main danger with vector files is that they contain information on their bounding box, and if this is wrong, OPro will render them wrongly. Draw on the other hand, checks all bounding boxes when you load files into it. So a useful thing sometimes is to load a Draw file into Draw where it will be cleaned up, and then save it out again. From: Gavin > Also if a table is dropped straight onto a default OP page > and the bottom RH corner of the resulting frame is dragged to the > full size of the default page frame then the contents disappear ! > they re-appear if frame reduced a bit. - bit odd, but not a real problem? There's an irristable temptation to make embedded frames the same size as what they're embedded in. And because of the standard inset of 1mm on text frames if you do, the usual flowing rules will result in your frame being too big for the frame it is embedded in, and being flowed out of it. From: "\"James White (Acorns in Spain" >Aha, if 2.47 is closed off, does that mean one can get get that at the >Show? >And do I need my Passport or something? Right buried down here in the middle, the latest (bad) news. There will be *no updates at the show*. And 2.47 will not be released until after the show. At the moment it seems you may be looking at a "return the original discs with 5 quid..." scenario. At some point I expect to be told how to patch the copy protection free 'net updates will then be possible. From: Mr R Coleman > I have recently written a printer status program which sits on the icon >bar and changes it's icon to reflect the state of the printer on the parallel >port, it also checks the state of the printer when you print from another >application or drag a file to the !Printer icon. It does this by watching for >a couple of printer messages. My program does not work with OPro since OPro >does not send these messages. If you drag a file to the !Printers icon my >program can do its thing, but not if you print from OPro. Is it possible to >change this so that my program can check to confirm that the printer is >switched on, offline or out of paper ? My guess would be that if you put OPro into non-multitasking print mode. First parameter of printchoices() equal to 1, then you'll get the messages you desire. In this mode OPro is fully compliant with the Acorn printer protocol. I would have imagined though that the majority of RISC OS applications (e.g. Impression) are not. How about giving us the URL for your program? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 29 13:54:12 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49135 for opro ; Wed, 29 Oct 97 13:54:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878115909:12:21789:132; Wed, 29 Oct 97 09:05:09 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1521741; 29 Oct 97 9:04 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2003558; 29 Oct 97 9:04 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:57:38 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971029.085738.56@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 14:22:29 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: Ray Dawson >> Draw files fitting frames >Well, the same TableMate file dropped into Publisher doesn't do it. Am I being optimistic, or do I recall AU once have a go at Impression for Draw files never being quite big enough to fill picture frames? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 29 13:54:17 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49137 for opro ; Wed, 29 Oct 97 13:54:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878115929:12:21878:82; Wed, 29 Oct 97 09:05:29 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1521835; 29 Oct 97 9:05 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac2003558; 29 Oct 97 9:04 GMT From: Peter Bond Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:58:13 +0000 Organization: home Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971029.085813.17@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:17:46 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19971028.091333.94@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > >That 2mm nudge has me upended on the bottom of the page! Any way of slowing > >it down? > > No. This is a fair point, originally we intended slowing it down, > but since you are the first person to raise the point... > Yes, but I've been muttering quietly (mostly) every time it happens! -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 29 13:54:22 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49139 for opro ; Wed, 29 Oct 97 13:54:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878115976:05:20369:81; Wed, 29 Oct 97 09:06:16 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1522078; 29 Oct 97 9:06 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ad2003558; 29 Oct 97 9:05 GMT From: J E Manfield Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:58:49 +0000 Organization: Subject: Drop Caps To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971029.085849.44@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 11:18:48 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I may have missed it, but is there yet a correction program for this error in the original ? If there is could you point me in the right direction ! -- _ _ _ | (_) | | J.Manfield | |_ _ __ ___ | |__ ___ Greenleas _ | | | '_ ` _ \| '_ \ / _ \ Churt | |__| | | | | | | | |_) | (_) | Farnham Surrey.GU10 2NH \____/|_|_| |_| |_|_.__/ \___/ arachne@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 29 13:54:26 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49141 for opro ; Wed, 29 Oct 97 13:54:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878116043:12:22269:83; Wed, 29 Oct 97 09:07:23 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1522162; 29 Oct 97 9:06 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ae2003558; 29 Oct 97 9:06 GMT From: "Howe , Chris" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:59:09 +0000 Organization: Subject: Imperfect Justification? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971029.085909.08@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: 28 Oct 97 13:21:00 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Using Justified text, I seem to be seeing a discrepancy between the perfect right hand alignment seen on screen, and the slightly raggedy right achieved on paper (turbo drivers/BJ 200). The raggedy-ness is slight, say one en or less. I haven't formally characterised this, but is it a known issue? Chris Howe, Bath To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 29 13:54:31 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49143 for opro ; Wed, 29 Oct 97 13:54:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878116066:05:20974:103; Wed, 29 Oct 97 09:07:46 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1522301; 29 Oct 97 9:07 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id af2003558; 29 Oct 97 9:07 GMT From: Chris Wragg Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:57:56 +0000 Organization: Subject: Setting tabs To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971029.085756.72@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 97 18:08:47 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Am I missing something, or is there a one-key press to clear all tabs? This was always a frustration in the old Ovation, and it appears to continue in OvPro. Sometimes I want to set up a set of tabs from scratch, but dragging off all the defaults first is somewhat tedious. Chris Wragg -- --------------------------------------- Chris Wragg ...coming to you from Banham, Norfolk Using an Acorn RiscPC cwragg@argonet.co.uk Education Administration: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/cwragg ------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 29 13:54:36 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49145 for opro ; Wed, 29 Oct 97 13:54:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878116120:12:22511:84; Wed, 29 Oct 97 09:08:40 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1522443; 29 Oct 97 9:07 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ag2003558; 29 Oct 97 9:07 GMT From: "m.a.g.gem@podiatry.salford.ac.uk" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:58:32 +0000 Organization: University of Salford Subject: Re: Scrolling To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971029.085832.30@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:28:10 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c > >Auto-scrolling - when drawing a frame etc, you move beyond the window and the > >{Snip} > No. This is a fair point, originally we intended slowing it down, > but since you are the first person to raise the point... > It is a lot better in OPro than Ov, where it used to jump unpredictably all over the place. I would have to join in though. I still find it too fast for comfort. Is it possible to put in an option for scroll speed as we have with mouse speed. Please David :-) Gus Gus Gem Tel: Home 0161 881 9199 Work 0161 295 2214 e-mail M.A.G.Gem@podiatry.salford.ac.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 29 13:54:42 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA49147 for opro ; Wed, 29 Oct 97 13:54:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 878116162:05:21618:45; Wed, 29 Oct 97 09:09:22 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1522591; 29 Oct 97 9:08 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ai2003558; 29 Oct 97 9:08 GMT From: Rupert Thompson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:59:25 +0000 Organization: Subject: !EndNotes and 'Rename styles' To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19971029.085925.86@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:42:38 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c If you use !EndNotes (or !Greek or !Russian, for that matter), you should make sure that you turn OFF the 'Rename styles' option in the Text panel of the Choices window (OP iconbar menu). If you don't, when you cut and paste between documents styles can get renamed, and !EndNotes will object. And probably fall over. On the subject of cutting and pasting end notes, it's not a good idea to try it in EndNotes 2.70 or earlier - the 'Join note structures' menu item is really rather ropey. (Like, I wrote it to do something very specific for me once, and it *just* about managed to do it). But version 2.80 lets you cut and paste in a very cunning fashion. *Unfortunately* it needs a modification in the filescrap() command, which I think we've been told has been made in OPro 2.47. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l