From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 1 13:49:24 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA43307 for david ; Fri, 01 Aug 97 13:49:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 870422445:15:21147:48; Fri, 01 Aug 97 09:00:45 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id af0603034; 1 Aug 97 9:00 BST From:(Chris Manning) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 08:51:01 +0100 Organization: Organisation? Er, no... Subject: Re: Font menu bug To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970801.085101.59@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 13:46:35 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19970729.085608.64@risc.demon.co.uk> Anthony Hilton wrote: > The algorithm for italic should _simply_ append the .italic to the current > font name (or more accurately search for a name with .italic appended to > the root font name) instead of finding the first instance in the list which > ends .italic, but is not .bold.italic. Isn't that a little *too* simple? Maybe David should add an O button, so that I can select the .oblique variant of some of my fonts. ;-) Chris To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 1 13:49:27 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA43308 for david ; Fri, 01 Aug 97 13:49:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 870422525:15:21291:47; Fri, 01 Aug 97 09:02:05 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0603712; 1 Aug 97 9:01 BST From:(Chris Manning) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 08:51:22 +0100 Organization: Organisation? Er, no... Subject: Re: ovationp-l digest: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 13:33:37 +0100 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970801.085122.49@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 17:29:55 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19970729.093704.75@risc.demon.co.uk> Ian MacDougall wrote: > The digest would have made things a lot easier for me. [snip] > The software works much faster and it would have been easier to > start archiving the list with a digest. Then maybe you should persevere. ;-) It is, after all, easy enough to write a filter that'll split it into individual messages. Being a Messenger user, and too idle to write such a filter unless I really have to, I enquired on the Messenger mailing list, and was told Try http://www.kerofin.demon.co.uk/ftp/ and look for !DeDigest but I've not yet had a chance. My main objection to the way you did it was that individual messages were stripped of their Message-ID headers, so it would be impossible for my mailer to include In-Reply-To headers or meaningful attribution lines. Chris To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 1 13:49:30 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA43309 for david ; Fri, 01 Aug 97 13:49:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 870422590:12:20530:44; Fri, 01 Aug 97 09:03:10 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0603712; 1 Aug 97 9:02 BST From:(Chris Manning) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 08:50:38 +0100 Organization: Organisation? Er, no... Subject: Re: ovationp-l digest: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 13:33:37 +0100 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970801.085038.62@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 13:53:57 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19970729.085548.32@risc.demon.co.uk> Rupert Thompson wrote: > On Mon 28 Jul, MailList for RISC OS wrote: >> Well as of now you'd have to rearrange them so you had a font GillSans >> and another one called 'GillSans_Display' and so on. Funnily enough this >> was sort of what the old (unlamented) font menu system did automatically. > Asking the user to restructure their font directory isn't really the thing > to do; for one thing you need to hack about with FontEd or similar, Maybe the solution's to create a Messages1 file to map the file names to a more meaningful structure? Well, might it not be the solution if Ovation paid any attention to its contents? It's not difficult to take David Graddol's collection of GillSans and make Draw (for example) list it as the font families GillSans.(Regular) .Bold .Bold Italic .Book .Book Italic .ExtraBold .Italic .Light .Light Italic .UltraBold GillSansCondensed.(Regular) .Bold .UltraBold GillSansDisplay.Bold .ExtraBold GillSansDisplayCondensed.Bold GillSansExtraCond.Bold GillSansShadowed.(Regular) .Light Is that a reasonable starting point for deciding which is the bold-italic variant of the current font? > which you can only get to run on a StrongARM if you happen to know which > ftp site the patch is lurking on. 0.31a works on the StrongARM, but that dates from 1992. Where might the latest version (and its patch) be found? Chris To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 1 13:49:35 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA43312 for david ; Fri, 01 Aug 97 13:49:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 870420747:09:19398:59; Fri, 01 Aug 97 08:32:27 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1105497; 1 Aug 97 8:32 BST From:(Anthony Hilton) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:34:24 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: ovationp-l digest To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970731.083424.93@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 09:43:00 bst X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Many people responded that they didn't like the digest, I had responded directly to Ian that I did. How do those who didn't like it get on with David Pilling's personal digest of replies? And do any of you see the same effect I get - Ian's answer to a question arriving before the original question? Would it be possible to offer a choice of subscription modes, eg: To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l To subscribe to the (daily/20k of messages) digest the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-digest Anthony To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 1 13:49:39 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA43314 for david ; Fri, 01 Aug 97 13:49:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 870420910:14:20398:48; Fri, 01 Aug 97 08:35:10 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106540; 1 Aug 97 8:34 BST From:(Peter Bond) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:35:25 +0100 Organization: home Subject: Re: ovationp-l digest: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 13:33:37 +0100 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970731.083525.65@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:54:20 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19970729.093704.75@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > However, I can see the disadvantages in reading and replying so > I have reverted to the other method. Wonderful! I didn't comment earlier but I did not like the digest. Sorry! -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 1 13:49:41 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA43315 for david ; Fri, 01 Aug 97 13:49:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 870420965:14:20324:140; Fri, 01 Aug 97 08:36:05 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1106540; 1 Aug 97 8:35 BST From:(Mr. A.P. Cloke) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:35:45 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: ovationp-l digest: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 13:33:37 +0100 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970731.083545.40@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 97 20:01:07 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Ian, Have just downloaded the above, 13 pages of print for the one or two letters of interest. I think it was MUCH easier to skim through the letters and retain only those of interest. Now it's a major editing task. Can you revert to the 'old' style list postings PLEASE!!! Paul Cloke -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ paulcloke@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 1 13:49:44 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA43316 for david ; Fri, 01 Aug 97 13:49:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 870420986:10:25807:44; Fri, 01 Aug 97 08:36:26 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ae1106540; 1 Aug 97 8:36 BST From:(Mr. A.P. Cloke) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:36:06 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: ovationp-l digest: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 13:33:37 +0100 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970731.083606.61@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 15:45:46 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Suppose it had to be tried. Please you have reverted to the 'old' format. Thanks, life is SO MUCH much simpler again. Paul C -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ paulcloke@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 1 13:49:46 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA43317 for david ; Fri, 01 Aug 97 13:49:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 870421054:10:26125:44; Fri, 01 Aug 97 08:37:34 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ag1106540; 1 Aug 97 8:37 BST From:(Martin Tillman) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:36:49 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Digest To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970731.083649.38@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 12:40:47 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19970729.085851.98@risc.demon.co.uk> Alan Muscat wrote: > I'm afraid I preferred all articles sent separately, not as a > digest. This enables me to easily keep only what I want and delete > the rest. It also makes finding articles easier. Agreed totally. There are people, Voyager users perhaps, that because of deficiencies in their mail readers, may prefer the digest though. Some mail lists offer a choice of format - how about that? -- m. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 1 13:49:49 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA43318 for david ; Fri, 01 Aug 97 13:49:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 870421105:14:20553:44; Fri, 01 Aug 97 08:38:25 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ai1106540; 1 Aug 97 8:38 BST From:(ANDY LING) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:34:04 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: ovationp-l digest: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 13:33:37 +0100 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970731.083404.24@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:21 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c > The digest would have made things a lot easier for me. If someones > mailbox or service provider flips out I get a single bounce for > each message that goes out from the list mixed in with the > SIGNON and SIGNOFF messages. ..... This is a common problem with all maillists. There are many thousands of lists out there and I'm sure they don't solve it by manually going through each of the messages. I know there are many mail filtering systems available. Perhaps you could use something like that to make your life easier :) > > However, I can see the disadvantages in reading and replying so > I have reverted to the other method. > Thanks, I for one am pleased. Andy Ling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 1 13:49:51 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA43319 for david ; Fri, 01 Aug 97 13:49:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 870421138:14:20579:55; Fri, 01 Aug 97 08:38:58 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ak1106540; 1 Aug 97 8:38 BST From:(P. Howard) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:36:27 +0100 Organization: Subject: Ovation Pro & Keystroke To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970731.083627.84@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 16:03:25 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Has anyone else had problems with OvnPro in conjunction with Keystroke? A string of instructions that works perfectly well with Impression Publisher sometimes skips a command (or two) in Ovation Pro, and sometimes, for no apparent reason, goes to 200% zoom. Help or commiserations would be much appreciated. Peter H. -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | jodrell@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 1 13:49:53 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA43320 for david ; Fri, 01 Aug 97 13:49:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 870421140:10:26470:108; Fri, 01 Aug 97 08:39:00 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id am1106540; 1 Aug 97 8:38 BST From:(Gavin Dewar) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:37:10 +0100 Organization: Quercus Computer Systems Subject: Re: ovationp-l digest: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 13:33:37 +0100 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970731.083710.91@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 16:55:01 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19970729.085810.49@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > On Mon 28 Jul, MailList for RISC OS wrote: > > > > On Mon 21 Jul, Gavin Dewar wrote: Noooooh I didn't - Weren't me Guv! > > > > > Any chances of this list being sent out as one mailing, instead of about 20 > > > separate messages? > > > > I'll give it a go. > > Ian, sorry, but can we go back to the old way, please, it was so much > easier to pick out queries that were of relevance to me. I prefer separate messages too, by the way. -- Gavin Dewar Quercus Computer Systems | Design & Supply of Long Preston, Nr Skipton | Industrial Control Systems North Yorkshire. | from the Yorkshire Dales. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 1 13:49:56 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA43321 for david ; Fri, 01 Aug 97 13:49:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 870421176:09:21167:46; Fri, 01 Aug 97 08:39:36 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ao1106540; 1 Aug 97 8:39 BST From:(Goetz Kohlberg) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:35:05 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: ovationp-l digest: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 13:33:37 +0100 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970731.083505.60@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:29:42 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In on Tue 29 Jul, Ian MacDougall wrote: > mailbox or service provider flips out I get a single bounce for > each message that goes out from the list mixed in with the > SIGNON and SIGNOFF messages. I have people who go on holiday and > leave a nice little vacation message that is then repeatedly > sent to the list for each message. I even have one person who is > acknowledging receipt for each message. The digest would have made > it easier to strip all of this rubbish out. What about filtering this out automatically? If the messages are all the same (vacation message or acknowleding) this can be do -- * Riscy Bits | "Where do you want to go today ?" * * Friedrichstr. 47 | That shows that Microsoft dudes still walk * * D-53111 Bonn | where others fly on Acorn 32bit Risc Computers * * Fon: 0180-542444 | * * Fax: 0228-690034 | Have a look at http://www.riscybits.de * To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 1 13:49:59 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA43322 for david ; Fri, 01 Aug 97 13:49:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 870421204:14:20653:47; Fri, 01 Aug 97 08:40:04 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aq1106540; 1 Aug 97 8:39 BST From:(Dave Floyd) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:37:53 +0100 Organization: Subject: OPM: Re: ovationp-l digest To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970731.083753.40@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 15:17:15 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c >On Tue 29 Jul, MailList for RISC OS wrote: > >> In message <19970724.131649.37@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: >> >> > On Mon 21 Jul, Gavin Dewar wrote: >> >> > Any chances of this list being sent out as one mailing, instead of >about 20 >> > separate messages? >> >> I'll give it a go. >> >> -- >> Ian MacDougall >> Beebug Ltd At first I liked this idea but along with the bulk of the subscribers who have replied so far, found the reality to be rather less satisfactory. Would it not be possible to have a half way measure here? If all mailings to the mailing list were preceded in the Subject header by 'OPM' (as above), then they would all sit together alphabetically in the news reader yet be seperate for easy access and replying to. Dave -- .. * /\ : __ . __ __ .|\ | __ ___ * Internet provision for /__\. |__> / __ /. \ | \ | |_ .| Acorn RISC computers . /. \ | .\ \__/ \__/ |. \| |__ | . * / . \___________________________________ riotclone@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 1 13:50:01 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA43323 for david ; Fri, 01 Aug 97 13:50:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 870421217:14:20662:56; Fri, 01 Aug 97 08:40:17 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id as1106540; 1 Aug 97 8:40 BST From:(Nick Kaijaks) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:34:44 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Font menu bug To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970731.083444.23@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:38:35 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Anthony Hilton wrote: > The algorithm for italic should _simply_ append the .italic to the current > font name (or more accurately search for a name with .italic appended to the > root font name) instead of finding the first instance in the list which ends > .italic, but is not .bold.italic. It would then be flexible enough to cope > with font families with many different weights and subsets, as Rupert > Thompson cited for Times with various scripts. OK how's this for (very) pseudocode... Italic effect: - Take current complete font name (including all weights and styles) - Check if it's tail already contains any of: italic, bold.italic, oblique or bold.oblique. If so, toggle and exit. - Check for an italic version of the complete font name. If so, apply and exit. - Check for an oblique version. If so, apply and exit. - If neither found then simply exit (let the punter sort it out for themselves) Bold effect: - Take current complete font name (including all weights and styles) - Check if it's tail already contains: bold, bold.italic, bold.oblique. If so, toggle and exit. - Check if tail contains italic or oblique. Flag if so. - Check for a bold version of the complete font name (looking up a level if italic/oblique has been flagged. If so, apply and exit. - If not found then simply exit (again let the punter sort it out for themselves) Does that cover the most common eventualities? Cheers, Nick -- nick kaijaks >> proprietor >> pinxit design >> putting the solution together the budget sensitive graphic design consultancy for internet and print media http://www.warwick.ac.uk/Nick.Kaijaks/ mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 1 13:50:04 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA43324 for david ; Fri, 01 Aug 97 13:50:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 870421283:10:27115:63; Fri, 01 Aug 97 08:41:23 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id au1106540; 1 Aug 97 8:40 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:37:31 +0100 Organization: Subject: OvationPro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970731.083731.52@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 18:46:16 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From:(Rupert Thompson) >I think the old system worked better, personally. To put it another way, >I had no font trouble before, and I do now. Asking the user to restructure >their font directory isn't really the thing to do; No, I'm not suggesting anyone really starts renaming fonts. (Incidentally you can remap font names with a Messages1 file inside !Fonts, don't try it for OPro though because at the moment it does not scan fonts in the right way - thanks to Chris Manning for pointing this out). From:(Anthony Hilton) >The algorithm for italic should _simply_ append the .italic to the current >font name (or more accurately search for a name with .italic appended to the >root font name) instead of finding the first instance in the list which ends >..italic, but is not .bold.italic. It would then be flexible enough to cope >with font families with many different weights and subsets, as Rupert >Thompson cited for Times with various scripts. Except you've also got to allow for 'oblique' and I doubt every italic font has the word italic on the end. In other words somewhere fonts will be named like "font.italic.something". Anyway all this is sounding defeatist, I'll have another go. From: >The latter have a feature which allows programs to send CMYK direct to the >printer. For reference, OPro will only do direct CMYK output to Turbo drivers if the document has a colour separations data structure. It will only have this if either (a) separations have been enabled or (b) the View->Seps menu has been opened. Once either of these two conditions have been met the data exists for all time. The Turbos set up a system variable Printer$ColourTable and I imagine that by twiddling it from a script/event one could reproduce the Impression type behaviour where the printers colour table is automatically disabled. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 2 13:49:59 1997 Received: from relay-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41471 for david ; Wed, 02 Jul 97 13:49:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 867831176:05:20659:271; Wed, 02 Jul 97 09:12:56 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id au0519182; 2 Jul 97 9:10 BST From:(Tony Stauber) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 15:21:59 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applets not working To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970701.152159.30@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:17:04 +0300 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 24 Jun, Ian MacDougall wrote: > !Label and !TransDte are not on > the web site as far as I am aware. Can you supply further > information? > > I've just revisited the site: 'http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/applets/applets.html' and rediscovered the applets mentioned... However, even the 'old' calculator applet which came with my original diskette doesn't work for me, so I'd still like to know what I might be doing wrong.. Tony Stauber: Language Teaching Institute, Doha, Qatar, Arabian Gulf To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 2 13:50:04 1997 Received: from relay-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41472 for david ; Wed, 02 Jul 97 13:50:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 867832485:12:07414:66; Wed, 02 Jul 97 09:34:45 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id af0524557; 2 Jul 97 9:22 BST From:("Roger Darlington") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 15:27:48 +0100 Organization: University of Salford Subject: More OP 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970701.152748.46@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:57:00 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R OVATION PRO 2.46 BUGS AND ANOMALIES 1) !SuperShift applet does not work if there are TWO (or more) spaces after a full stop that ends a sentence. 2) In the instructions, it says that Adjust will insert and remove a gap in the button bar. I must report that, in fact, only the LEFT HAND CTRL SHFT keys perform such an action, the RIGHT HAND CTRL SHFT keys do nothing of a sort!. They do nothing at all, in fact. Why cannot this insert gap function be entirely independent of which CTRL SHFT keys are used? 3) In the colour supplement instruction leaflet, mention is made of the need to use a colour tint chart. Yet, I cannot find such a chart, nor can I find how to print one automatically from Ovation Pro. Would it not be a great idea to supply everyone with a printable colour tint chart in an Ovation Pro document. Or do you already and have I missed it somewhere? Or is this what the ProcessCMYK colour chart is for? If so, it has only 216 colours in it, not the 1000 colours that the instructions mention as necessary for a colour tint chart, and also, HOW DO WE PRINT IT? 4) How to crash the computer with Ovation Pro 2.46: A) Load a new document B) Draw a picture frame. C) Drag a sprite into the picture frame. D) Put menu =C9Process->RGB` up on screen and drag separate R, G, and B gamma curves. E) Click Adjust within the picture frame! Computer hung! 5) With a document loaded, and with a dictionary loaded too, it is sometimes possible, by clicking on the 'underlining spelling checker` to get it to underline every correctly spelt word but leave the in-correctly spelt words not underlined! This happens a lot when you have multiple documents loaded and are spell checking between several. It seems to invert the spell checking function! Clicking twice on the 'underline spell checker` button sorts the problem out, but it should never occur in the first place. It should be fairly easy for the programmer to sort this bug out without even knowing where it occurs. Simply stop it inverting the function. 6) The same sort of thing seems to happen with bold text. Putting text into an empty text frame that has the bold effect in it results in the text being inserted NON-BOLD in that frame. Moreover, the bold indicator ('B`) on the text frame info bar illuminates itself when the caret is placed within this NON-BOLD text. It isn`t bold, but it should be. Pressing the 'B` button again with the text selected still does not result in the text becoming bold, it is still non-bold. Press the bold 'B` button yet again and the text now becomes bold at last. Somehow the function seems to get inverted. This also happened on the previous versions of Ovation Pro, so it is a problem that was never found nor sorted. 7) There may be a problem with the 'Replace` function of the spell checker. When I have multiple documents loaded (about 50 or so) and I am spell checking, pressing the 'Replace` button to change the spelling of a word sometimes results in a crash. This may be because the computer is short of memory, I do not really know, but it seems to have plenty. How much does it need to =C9Replace` a word? It has at least 300K spare in my machine. Here follows the error readout from such a crash: Internal Error, No Stack for Trap Handler. Not enough memory., stack overflow. Pc=3D339A4310, registers at 00115230 -------------- SWI & 205110 not known ---------------------------- Error from Palette SWI &205110 not known. Many further errors ensue on answering OK or Cancel to the many error boxes it puts up. 8) I mentioned this before, and you say it is Acorns` fault. You say that, because of the space occupied by the button bars, the Page Up and Page Down keys (or equivalent mouse clicks in the slide bar areas) make the page move up and down by MORE than a full window full. It is extremely annoying not to be able to use these keys, for if we do, we skip parts of the document. Are you absolutely sure that there is absolutely nothing whatsoever that cannot be done to prevent this from happening? Surely there must be some hack that your programmer can do to to overcome this very unfortunate 'feature`. It really is most annoying and un-professional. These bugs and anomalies all manifest themselves on my A540, 8MB RAM, OS3.10, printers 1.53patched computer. R.W.DARLINGTON 1FELLS GROVE WORSLEY MANCHESTER M28 7JN R.W.DARLINGTON@ACOUSTICS.SALFORD.AC.UK Roger Darlington 1 fells Grove Worsley Manchester M28 7JN Home Tel - (0161) 799 9845 R.W.DARLINGTON@acoustics.salford.ac.uk Work Tel - (0161) 295 3399 It's all done by mirrors To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 2 13:50:07 1997 Received: from relay-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41474 for david ; Wed, 02 Jul 97 13:50:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 867832677:05:29985:144; Wed, 02 Jul 97 09:37:57 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ae0522746; 2 Jul 97 9:17 BST From:(David Graddol) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 15:25:25 +0100 Organization: The English Co UK Ltd Subject: Spot colour and Artworks To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970701.152525.20@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 21:14:33 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 OK I've received the update with the colour supplement. Hooray! Because I have some work with spot colours waiting to go to the bureau. I've installed it and it seems to work fine as far as Ovation text is concerned. I can also get the embedded Artworks graphics to show appropriately in the process colour separations. But how do I get the spot colours in Artworks graphics to show up on the separations for spot colours? David To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 2 13:50:11 1997 Received: from relay-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41476 for david ; Wed, 02 Jul 97 13:50:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 867832799:05:29985:423; Wed, 02 Jul 97 09:39:59 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ag0522746; 2 Jul 97 9:18 BST From:("Sveinung W. Tengelsen") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 15:22:41 +0100 Organization: Subject: Saving template-positions To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970701.152241.10@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 19:59:14 +0000 (GMT+1) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 24 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > From:("Sveinung W. Tengelsen") > >Another StrongED feature worth copying: Save state of programs' > >windows/dialogue-boxes. It's *so* irritating having to drag > >those to their preferred positions *every* time OP is started! > > I'd probably suggest editing the templates file. I tried it - the templates *still* open up in one heap in the middle of the screen. This is not a huge issue - just one of convenience. I.e if I got the choice between a context/index-generating applet and the "save template position"-feature, I'd choose the former. :) -- Regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- mailto:pixeleye@sn.no | I have one illusion; http://www.sn.no/~pixeleye/Index.htm | I have no illusions. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 2 13:50:14 1997 Received: from relay-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41478 for david ; Wed, 02 Jul 97 13:50:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 867832805:05:29985:489; Wed, 02 Jul 97 09:40:05 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id am0522746; 2 Jul 97 9:19 BST From:(Chris Wragg) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 15:24:43 +0100 Organization: Subject: Loading older files To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970701.152443.63@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 97 21:31:05 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 May I warn other users to beware! I prepared 2 important documents at home this week on the latest version of OP 2.46, but when I got to work and tried to load them in to v2.43 I was told that it could not load the latest version. As we had not yet received the upgrade at work I was somewhat annoyed! I had not used any of the latest features. I think Beebug might have warned us! Chris -- --------------------------------------- Chris Wragg ...coming to you from Banham, Norfolk Using an Acorn RiscPC cwragg@argonet.co.uk Education Administration: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/cwragg ------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 2 13:50:26 1997 Received: from relay-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41480 for david ; Wed, 02 Jul 97 13:50:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 867832981:05:01843:132; Wed, 02 Jul 97 09:43:01 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ak0522746; 2 Jul 97 9:18 BST From:(Mr T J Chubb) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 15:24:23 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: WordHound with OP To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970701.152423.87@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 97 19:43:27 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 24 Jun 97 (10:47:57 +0100), jack@snave.demon.co.uk wrote: >Am I alone in finding that OP in combination with that excellent >program !WordHound - dictionary and full version of Roget's thesaurus - >causes the machine to hang whereas the Impression/WH combination works >fine? > >This is using a RPC with SA, OP V2.36 and WH V1.21. > Hello Jack, I use the same version of (full) Wordhound along with OP v2.42, but alas without SA, and it works fine. Tom C. -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 2 13:50:30 1997 Received: from relay-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41481 for david ; Wed, 02 Jul 97 13:50:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 867832986:05:01843:200; Wed, 02 Jul 97 09:43:06 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aq0522746; 2 Jul 97 9:19 BST From:(Bill) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 15:26:24 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Answers to my other posting!!?? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970701.152624.76@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 02:44:36 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 >Just rec'd the new version and installed it. >However my Applet Menu doesn't now appear on my main menu as before. >On first loading the following error occurs as Applets are loading >Error:Multiple definition Line 9...... Applets.Fraction.Library.Fraction >and similar for Unique. Ooops discovered !Scripts, the applet still in !OvnPro.Applets directory All seems OK now, but what should I leave in the !OvPro.Library directory? !ALIB - !MenuLib - Imposition anything else or am I still doing somthing wrong. -- mailto:bkerr@burnton.demon.co.uk http://www.burnton.demon.co.uk Bill Kerr To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 2 13:50:33 1997 Received: from relay-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41483 for david ; Wed, 02 Jul 97 13:50:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 867832986:05:01920:108; Wed, 02 Jul 97 09:43:06 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0522746; 2 Jul 97 9:17 BST From:("Eason, Dave, EASONDC2") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 15:23:45 +0100 Organization: Subject: Printing problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970701.152345.66@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 08:10:00 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Hi, I've just installed OP Vn 2.45, and it seems great, except I have a small problem with printing. When I try to print a document, I get an error box saying that the page is too large for the paper, and will be cropped. The whole page appears to be printed, and the error occurs with documents which print OK with the older version. I have TurboDrivers installed. Could this be the problem? Dave Eason To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 2 13:50:36 1997 Received: from relay-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41484 for david ; Wed, 02 Jul 97 13:50:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 867833108:05:01843:463; Wed, 02 Jul 97 09:45:08 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bc0522746; 2 Jul 97 9:21 BST From:("Roger Darlington") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 15:26:05 +0100 Organization: University of Salford Subject: problems with op 2.46 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970701.152605.33@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:42:02 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Dear Ian MacDougal I am sorry to report two problems with OP version 2.46 even before I have started using it. 1) It will not run on either my A5000 nor on my A540 with neither the supplied version nor the older version of the OArtWrks applet set to positive. It will, however, load successfully with this applet set to -OArtWrks. So we seem to require a new version of OArtWrks. 2) In the APPLICATION CHOICES/COLOUR menu - just below the word 'Typeset' (which is in a writable/selectable window) - the part-word 'ons' appears. What is this 'ons' option, and why is it so far over to the left that this is the only part of the option that appears on the screen. Not even the option box for this option appears on the screen, so we cannot select it, whatever it is. What is it? 3) The text in the Hints section is sometimes garbled. Either the window is not big enough to contain the hint text, or the hint text is displayed too far up the window. There is always a spare blank line below the text. Whatever, for large hints, it is garbled. Smaller hints fit in the window ok. Yours Roger Roger Darlington 1 fells Grove Worsley Manchester M28 7JN Home Tel - (0161) 799 9845 R.W.DARLINGTON@acoustics.salford.ac.uk Work Tel - (0161) 295 3399 It's all done by mirrors To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 2 13:50:38 1997 Received: from relay-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41485 for david ; Wed, 02 Jul 97 13:50:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 867833188:05:01843:705; Wed, 02 Jul 97 09:46:28 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id au0522746; 2 Jul 97 9:20 BST From:(Dr. P.N. Young) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 15:27:07 +0100 Organization: Subject: Save ignored words doesn't work in 2.46. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970701.152707.01@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 97 16:04:58 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 The subject line really says it all! In 2.37 I never seemed to be able to preserve the tick in the "save ignored words" in the choices > text box, but ignored words got saved. Now, the ticking problem is there, but ignored words don't get saved. :-( Am I doing something wrong, or is there a new bug there? Apart from that, the upgrade is great. Particularly the underlining of spelt words, even though this does seem to do odd things at times! (Opening some documents with this chosen sometimes has everything underlined in red till the text is scrolled up and down). A boon to those like me who can't spell or type! Best wishes, Peter Young. -- Peter \ / \ 112,Linden Ave., Prestbury, Cheltenham, Anne \ / __ __ \ Glos. GL52 3DS, England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ +44 (0)1242-520459 James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 2 13:50:41 1997 Received: from relay-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41486 for david ; Wed, 02 Jul 97 13:50:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 867833195:05:01843:783; Wed, 02 Jul 97 09:46:35 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id be0522746; 2 Jul 97 9:21 BST From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 15:27:27 +0100 Organization: Subject: Stationery Applet To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970701.152727.19@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 97 20:02:15 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Hi, Regarding Ov Pro version 2.46, the recent upgrade. Some ------ has been =9Eddling with the Statnry Applet, and it won't play= .... The previous version I was using with 2.36 behaved itself. My Stationery =9Ele inside OvationPro.!OvnPro.Applets.!Statnry.Stationery, = not only contains my ordinary OV Pro templates, but also contains a couple= of standard (Blue Icon) Directories where some less often used templates a= re stored. Using the previous version of Statnry, (Which was downloaded from the Web s= ite about a month or just over ago), when I clicked on one of these directo= ries, listed in the Ov Pro Stationery Menu, the directory would be opened f= or me to select a template =9Ele from within it. The new version of Statnry just produces an error message: "Can't Load this type of =9Ele or it does not exist." Obviously something in the library =9Ele needs changing back, can some one = tell me what? Please. :-) Needless to say I've removed the offending Statnry library =9Ele and replac= ed it with the previous and compliant one. Yes I could use the Stationery-View option at the top of the menu to open t= he sub directories. Lots more key presses, lots more hassle.... And beside= s.. If it worked with the previous version I want it to work with this vers= ion. Thanks Dave -- _________________________________________________________________________ ....ARGONET /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines.... Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... Don't do today, what you can put off until tomorrow. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 2 13:50:44 1997 Received: from relay-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41487 for david ; Wed, 02 Jul 97 13:50:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 867833252:05:01843:986; Wed, 02 Jul 97 09:47:32 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aw0522746; 2 Jul 97 9:20 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 16:01:04 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Applets not working To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970701.160104.40@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 15:47:10 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970701.152159.30@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On Tue 24 Jun, Ian MacDougall wrote: > > > !Label and !TransDte are not on > > the web site as far as I am aware. Can you supply further > > information? > > > > I've just revisited the site: > 'http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/applets/applets.html' > and rediscovered the applets mentioned... > > However, even the 'old' calculator applet which came with my original > diskette doesn't work for me, so I'd still like to know what I might be > doing wrong.. OK, there needs to be a distinction here between applets and scripts. When we originally released Ovation Pro the program had a series of scripts written for it and added a Script menu entry to the main menu. In the latest release we have self-contained applets and an Applets menu entry is added to the main menu. These two ways of accessing extensions to the program should not be used together. Any standalone script files and/or the !Script applet should be removed from the Applets and/or Library directory and the later self-contained applets should be installed into the Applets directory. In the latest version you should only have CCPrfix, Imposition, !MenuLib and !ALib in the Library directory. What I mean by self contained is the applet is in its own application directory. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 2 13:50:47 1997 Received: from relay-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41488 for david ; Wed, 02 Jul 97 13:50:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 867833350:05:01843:1242; Wed, 02 Jul 97 09:49:10 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ay0522746; 2 Jul 97 9:20 BST From:(Tony Stauber) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 15:22:21 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applets not working To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970701.152221.16@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 18:26:40 +0300 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 24 Jun, Ian MacDougall wrote: > This has confused me (not hard). !Label and !TransDte are not on > the web site as far as I am aware. Can you supply further > information? > > -- Further to my email of a few hours ago, I have spent the last 2 hours re-installing Ovation Pro from the original diskettes, and reconfiguring everything as before, and re-loading the applets I want from the extras disc, but nothing has changed. !Abbrev works, and !Statnry, but not !Filename, !Calcs, or many of the others. !Unique and !Fraction still give error messages when Ovation is loading, so I have disabled them. I would be grateful if you could explain why the following from the readme file in the Extras folder does not apply in my case: "The example scripts in this directory should be copied into !OvnPro. Library and then Ovation Pro re-run. A new menu called Script will appear at the bottom of the main menu giving access to the new functions." I have done this - several times now - and I do not get any 'new menu called Script at the bottom of the main menu, and there is no Insert Filename menu. I have been using Ovation for many years, and Ovation Pro for several months. I am disappointed that no help has been offered to what I am sure is a simple problem. -- mailto:cedric@qatar.net.qa Tony Stauber: Language Teaching Institute, Doha, Qatar, Arabian Gulf To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 2 13:50:49 1997 Received: from relay-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41489 for david ; Wed, 02 Jul 97 13:50:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 867835404:12:19530:310; Wed, 02 Jul 97 10:23:24 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0522746; 2 Jul 97 9:17 BST From:(Bill) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 15:24:03 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Answers To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970701.152403.85@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:46:23 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Just rec'd the new version and installed it. However my Applet Menu doesn't now appear on my main menu as before. On first loading the following error occurs as Applets are loading Error:Multiple definition Line 9...... Applets.Fraction.Library.Fraction and similar for Unique. Where have I gone wrong? Ah well off to investigate further see what else I can muck up... -- mailto:bkerr@burnton.demon.co.uk http://www.burnton.demon.co.uk Bill Kerr To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 2 13:50:55 1997 Received: from relay-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41491 for david ; Wed, 02 Jul 97 13:50:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 867836008:05:18407:511; Wed, 02 Jul 97 10:33:28 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ao0522746; 2 Jul 97 9:19 BST From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 15:25:03 +0100 Organization: Subject: Grammer Checking To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970701.152503.95@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 97 20:09:11 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Hi Y'all, MS Word for Windows 6 has a rather amusing grammer checking facility... :-) Obviously none of the main British Dtp/Word processors offers a similar function. Does anyone out there know of a third party application that will do a similar job, that either works stand alone or interfaces with something like Impression or Ovation Pro? Thanks Dave -- _________________________________________________________________________ ....ARGONET /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines.... Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... Don't do today, what you can put off until tomorrow. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 2 13:50:57 1997 Received: from relay-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41492 for david ; Wed, 02 Jul 97 13:50:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 867836011:12:19530:640; Wed, 02 Jul 97 10:33:31 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ai0522746; 2 Jul 97 9:18 BST From:(Carl Cepurneek) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 15:23:23 +0100 Organization: Subject: Customizing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970701.152323.85@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 09:09:34 +0930 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 David Pilling wrote...(and I'm quoting a bit out of order! >!OvnResDir is a mixture of things users should never touch, like >the templates files,... .... >I'd probably suggest editing the templates file. ;-) >We could blow another 0.5Mb RAM allowing a nice user interface to >everything everyone could ever want to customise - for now though >letting users hack the program resources is the mechanism. Might there be, in that wonderful 'sometime', something like a PRM for OP? I realise that half of hacking is figuring out where and what to hack, but there's no sense in everyone having to invent their own wheel. I've only gone so far as redrawing a few button icons and would be interested in hearing what (and how) others are doing to make their copy of OP more personally usable. cpc To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 2 13:51:00 1997 Received: from relay-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41493 for david ; Wed, 02 Jul 97 13:50:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 867836088:05:20669:138; Wed, 02 Jul 97 10:34:48 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ba0522746; 2 Jul 97 9:21 BST From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 15:25:45 +0100 Organization: Subject: Ov Pro the Final free Upgrade To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970701.152545.64@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 97 08:35:05 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Well... Ovation Pro the last free upgrade has arrived... Some good news and some bad news... Two areas that concern me have not been addressed, so I shall moan =9Erst. 1: While some additions to the printing options have been made, and are wel= comed, we still cannot print a range. ie: Print pages 1,3 - 10,12 - etc. 2: !Unique. While we've been given a button for the bar, the unfortunate and serious p= roblem with unique, that makes it almost unusable has not been addressed. As I've written before... It is a pointless exercise retaining the settings for Pre=9Ex and Start in = the applet itself, these should be saved with the document (as Impression = does). eg: When I reload my Invoice document that's up to, Inv xxx22 a week after = it was started, the bloody Unique applet now shows the next number to be, S= omething else 77. I repeat: The unique applet should read the settings recorded in the docume= nt. On to a more positive note... The addition Applets are welcome. The Font Menu changes are good. The slight changes to master pages helpful. The multi row button bar excellent. So, my =9Erst impressions (sorry) of the upgrade are favourable. If my queries above are eventually addressed, along with a couple of other = short comings I shall be very happy about converting my paperwork to Ov Pro= .. But not quite yet..... Dave. -- _________________________________________________________________________ ....ARGONET /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines.... Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... Don't do today, what you can put off until tomorrow. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 2 13:51:03 1997 Received: from relay-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41494 for david ; Wed, 02 Jul 97 13:51:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 867836154:05:20669:378; Wed, 02 Jul 97 10:35:54 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id as0522746; 2 Jul 97 9:20 BST From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 15:28:08 +0100 Organization: Subject: Print nag To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970701.152808.82@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 97 14:35:19 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Hi Ian, Ovation Pro Version 2.46 Registration number: 01181 Whenever I try to print a document out of this version, I get a nag window = stating: Area to be Printed is bigger than paper size and will be cropped [Yes] [No] I usually click yes and it prints. What's going on? As the document templates are the same ones I used in the= =9Erst release of Ov Pro and later 2.36. ... Everything is printed in the same place on the paper, and the paper is from= the same paper box as a week ago. Any suggestions please? Thanks Dave -- _________________________________________________________________________ ....ARGONET /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines.... Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... Don't do today, what you can put off until tomorrow. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 4 13:43:42 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41659 for david ; Fri, 04 Jul 97 13:43:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868006590:09:24291:54; Fri, 04 Jul 97 09:56:30 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id af1024883; 4 Jul 97 9:55 BST From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 10:32:24 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Stationery Applet To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970703.103224.46@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 97 12:59:56 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 1 Jul 97 (15:27:27 +0100), df.symes@argonet.co.uk wrote: > >Obviously something in the library =9Ele needs changing back, can some >one = tell me what? Well, at least your ligatures applet is working. Try turning it off if you use OP to write emails :-) Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 4 13:43:45 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41661 for david ; Fri, 04 Jul 97 13:43:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868006598:10:25734:46; Fri, 04 Jul 97 09:56:38 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ag1024883; 4 Jul 97 9:56 BST From:(Rene Turner) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 10:34:12 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Ov Pro the Final free Upgrade To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970703.103412.27@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 00:04:35 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Wed 02 Jul, D.A.Symes wrote: > Well... Ovation Pro the last free upgrade has arrived... > Some good news and some bad news... > Oh Good, When where How ????? -- Shalom Ve Chesed ... Peace & Loving Kindness Ren H Turner ... Mailto:renet@wave.co.nz H.I.S. NZ http://www.nzdances.co.nz/hosted/brain/ To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 4 13:43:49 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41663 for david ; Fri, 04 Jul 97 13:43:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868006655:10:26193:43; Fri, 04 Jul 97 09:57:35 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id am1024883; 4 Jul 97 9:57 BST From:(Rupert Thompson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 10:30:43 +0100 Organization: Subject: Tagged data manager To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970703.103043.94@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 16:39:12 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Does anybody know how the Tagged Data Manager functions (Script Language docs, p.10) work? The docs say "Tag values should be allocated by taking the standard applet 3 letter prefix as a binary number and shifting it left 8 places ... This gives each applet 256 tags". But what's the "standard applet 3 letter prefix"? Can't see any reference to that /anywhere/. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK Research Fellow in Classics Tel.: 01223-331943 / 0402-130221 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/4423/ http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (during the day) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 4 13:43:53 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41665 for david ; Fri, 04 Jul 97 13:43:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868006664:09:24653:63; Fri, 04 Jul 97 09:57:44 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ak1024883; 4 Jul 97 9:56 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 10:30:23 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Printing problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970703.103023.87@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 16:15:23 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970701.152345.66@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Hi, > > I've just installed OP Vn 2.45, and it seems great, except I have a > small problem with printing. > > When I try to print a document, I get an error box saying that the page > is too large for the paper, and will be cropped. The whole page appears > to be printed, and the error occurs with documents which print OK with > the older version. > > I have TurboDrivers installed. Could this be the problem? Yes this was a problem with 2.45. The problem is that the paper sizes are not exactly the same size as A4 i.e. 297.0 H and 210 W You get 296.9 etc etc. If you can change the paper size then do so, if not you can set the first argument of printchoices2 to 0 (assuming it is 16 as it is by default). This will disable this feature. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 4 13:43:57 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41667 for david ; Fri, 04 Jul 97 13:43:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868006690:10:26479:45; Fri, 04 Jul 97 09:58:10 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ao1024883; 4 Jul 97 9:57 BST From:(Peter Bond) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 10:31:44 +0100 Organization: home Subject: Finding styles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970703.103144.53@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 09:52:50 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 There was some correspondance in c.s.a.apps recently moaning about OvPro's lack of indexing and contents-generating facilities. I remarked (foolishly!) that it should not be too difficult to write an applet - but I can see no way of searching for a style; which is what is needed. There are other valid reasons for searching for style and effect names and the lack of this facility does seem a considerable shortcoming. Might it arrive - in the not-too-far-distant future? (It *could* be done using a DDL file but it would be a dreadful kludge and page numbers might well get out of step.) -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 4 13:44:00 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41668 for david ; Fri, 04 Jul 97 13:43:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868006729:10:26771:82; Fri, 04 Jul 97 09:58:49 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ap1024883; 4 Jul 97 9:58 BST From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 10:32:43 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applets not working To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970703.103243.08@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 97 13:17:01 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 1 Jul 97 (16:01:04 +0100), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: >In the latest version you should only have CCPrfix, Imposition, >!MenuLib and !ALib in the Library directory. I appear to have PSsupport and !CustomFix as well. I seem to remember the latter fixed something with LaserDirect - is it still needed? PSsupport appeared when I upgraded to 2.46. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 4 13:44:04 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41671 for david ; Fri, 04 Jul 97 13:44:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868006748:09:25271:72; Fri, 04 Jul 97 09:59:08 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ar1024883; 4 Jul 97 9:58 BST From:("Roger Darlington") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 10:33:23 +0100 Organization: University of Salford Subject: Re: library in op2.46 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970703.103323.67@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 11:37:12 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 > Dear Ian MacDougal > In your reply to 'Applets not working' you say that op2.46 users should now have only !Alib, !MenuLib, CCprFix and Imposition in their library directotries. Besides these four, mine has ImpKeys and PSsupport. Are these now redundant? Should I delete them altogether? Should I move them somewhere else? How come instaling the upgrade left them there? > Yours > > Roger > Roger Darlington 1 fells Grove Worsley Manchester M28 7JN Home Tel - (0161) 799 9845 R.W.DARLINGTON@acoustics.salford.ac.uk Work Tel - (0161) 295 3399 It's all done by mirrors To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 4 13:44:10 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41672 for david ; Fri, 04 Jul 97 13:44:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868006766:09:25271:157; Fri, 04 Jul 97 09:59:26 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id at1024883; 4 Jul 97 9:58 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 12:17:16 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Tagged data manager To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970703.121716.11@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 11:16:18 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970703.103043.94@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Does anybody know how the Tagged Data Manager functions (Script > Language docs, p.10) work? The docs say "Tag values should be allocated > by taking the standard applet 3 letter prefix as a binary number and > shifting it left 8 places ... This gives each applet 256 tags". > > But what's the "standard applet 3 letter prefix"? Can't see any > reference to that /anywhere/. Essentially it is just three letters, the first three of the applet name would be sensible. If people want to use this feature it might be an idea to register the three letter prefix with us so that no clashes occur. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 4 13:44:18 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41673 for david ; Fri, 04 Jul 97 13:44:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868006798:10:27189:48; Fri, 04 Jul 97 09:59:58 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id av1024883; 4 Jul 97 9:59 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 12:17:34 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Applets not working To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970703.121734.71@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 11:42:17 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970703.103243.08@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On Tue 1 Jul 97 (16:01:04 +0100), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: > > >In the latest version you should only have CCPrfix, Imposition, > >!MenuLib and !ALib in the Library directory. > > I appear to have PSsupport and !CustomFix as well. I seem to remember the > latter fixed something with LaserDirect - is it still needed? > > PSsupport appeared when I upgraded to 2.46. Erk, yes PSsupport should be in the library too. If anyone deleted it on my bad advice it is on disc two of the upgarde set. CCPrfix should fix the problems associated with Laser Direct and Turbo drivers. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 4 13:44:25 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41674 for david ; Fri, 04 Jul 97 13:44:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868006828:10:27189:113; Fri, 04 Jul 97 10:00:28 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ax1024883; 4 Jul 97 9:59 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 12:17:53 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Applet working, but... To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970703.121753.31@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 12:07:33 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970703.103303.29@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Greetings all, > > Pleased to join the queue of the latest, 2.46, upgrade users / abusers! > > I'm particularly pleased with the !StylePal applet that makes applying / > removing styles / effects so easy. But... I've been unseccessful at > creating a macro to open its window from the buton bar (or a key-press) stylepal_entry(0,0) in a macro should do the trick. > A related, more general, suggestion: Could it be possible to make > particular (user configurable) often used windows attach thenselves, pane > like, to the document window? I'd be inclined to have the stylepal window > stuck to the right side of my active document. - And dispence with its > front/back icons and scroll bars. Not without further work to implement the necessary functions I would guess. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 4 13:44:31 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41675 for david ; Fri, 04 Jul 97 13:44:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868006838:09:25876:70; Fri, 04 Jul 97 10:00:38 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id az1024883; 4 Jul 97 10:00 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 12:18:12 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: library in op2.46 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970703.121812.20@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 12:09:42 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970703.103323.67@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Dear Ian MacDougal > > > In your reply to 'Applets not working' you say that op2.46 users > should now have only !Alib, !MenuLib, CCprFix and Imposition in > their library directotries. > > Besides these four, mine has ImpKeys and PSsupport. Are these now > redundant? Should I delete them altogether? Should I move them > somewhere else? How come instaling the upgrade left them there? Yes, see my earlier response. Impkeys shouldn't have been in library it should be in autorun. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 4 13:44:42 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41676 for david ; Fri, 04 Jul 97 13:44:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868006845:10:27189:182; Fri, 04 Jul 97 10:00:45 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bb1024883; 4 Jul 97 10:00 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 10:30:05 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Saving template-positions To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970703.103005.07@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 16:11:50 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970701.152241.10@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On Tue 24 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > > From:("Sveinung W. Tengelsen") > > > >Another StrongED feature worth copying: Save state of programs' > > >windows/dialogue-boxes. It's *so* irritating having to drag > > >those to their preferred positions *every* time OP is started! > > > > I'd probably suggest editing the templates file. > > I tried it - the templates *still* open up in one heap in the middle > of the screen. This is not a huge issue - just one of convenience. > I.e if I got the choice between a context/index-generating applet > and the "save template position"-feature, I'd choose the former. :) > To change this require minimal editing of the relevant applet. For e.g. the style palette script: Locate stylepal_centre variable at the top of the file and change it from 1 to 0. Now edit the position of the template in the template file as suggested and Robert is your father's brother. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 4 13:44:48 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41677 for david ; Fri, 04 Jul 97 13:44:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868006874:10:27915:45; Fri, 04 Jul 97 10:01:14 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bd1024883; 4 Jul 97 10:00 BST From:(Rupert Thompson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 10:31:25 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Saving template-positions To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970703.103125.22@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 09:28:09 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 01 Jul, Sveinung W. Tengelsen wrote: > On Tue 24 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > > From:("Sveinung W. Tengelsen") > > > >Another StrongED feature worth copying: Save state of programs' > > >windows/dialogue-boxes. It's *so* irritating having to drag > > >those to their preferred positions *every* time OP is started! > > > > I'd probably suggest editing the templates file. > > I tried it - the templates *still* open up in one heap in the middle > of the screen. This is not a huge issue - just one of convenience. > I.e if I got the choice between a context/index-generating applet > and the "save template position"-feature, I'd choose the former. :) You have to edit the applet's source as well as the template. In the !StylePal applet, for instance, set stylepal_centre=0 at the start of the code, and the palette will be opened wherever the template file puts it. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK Research Fellow in Classics Tel.: 01223-331943 / 0402-130221 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/4423/ http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (during the day) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 4 13:44:56 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41678 for david ; Fri, 04 Jul 97 13:44:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868006915:09:26406:78; Fri, 04 Jul 97 10:01:55 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bf1024883; 4 Jul 97 10:01 BST From:(Carl Cepurneek) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 10:33:03 +0100 Organization: Subject: Applet working, but... To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970703.103303.29@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 10:24:17 +0930 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Greetings all, Pleased to join the queue of the latest, 2.46, upgrade users / abusers! I'm particularly pleased with the !StylePal applet that makes applying / removing styles / effects so easy. But... I've been unseccessful at creating a macro to open its window from the buton bar (or a key-press) rather than having to go throught menu>applets>stylepal. I've tried something like {stylepal_openwindow()} that I saw within stylpal's library but the window opens without recognising recent changes to the state of the text where the cursor is located. Suggestions, in the form of specific instructions, are welcome. A related, more general, suggestion: Could it be possible to make particular (user configurable) often used windows attach thenselves, pane like, to the document window? I'd be inclined to have the stylepal window stuck to the right side of my active document. - And dispence with its front/back icons and scroll bars. The imposition applet is a PCUJD! (P C User Jaw Dropper) Regards, cpc To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 4 13:45:04 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41679 for david ; Fri, 04 Jul 97 13:45:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868006929:09:26406:148; Fri, 04 Jul 97 10:02:09 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bh1024883; 4 Jul 97 10:01 BST From:(Graham Allan) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 10:34:30 +0100 Organization: Subject: RE: More OP 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970703.103430.63@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 10:25:59 -0500 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Roger Darlington wrote: >3) In the colour supplement instruction leaflet, mention is >made of the need to use a colour tint chart. Yet, I cannot find >such a chart, nor can I find how to print one automatically from > Ovation Pro. Would it not be a great idea to supply everyone with > a printable colour tint chart in an Ovation Pro document. Or do > you already and have I missed it somewhere? > Or is this what the ProcessCMYK colour chart is for? If >so, it has only 216 colours in it, not the 1000 colours that the >instructions mention as necessary for a colour tint chart, and >also, HOW DO WE PRINT IT? You can't know that your colour printer will produce accurate colours - I imagine the idea is that for colour work you should refer to a Pantone book or chart, or something similar. You can buy these at most art supplies stores. Graham To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 4 13:45:11 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41680 for david ; Fri, 04 Jul 97 13:45:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868006982:10:28618:51; Fri, 04 Jul 97 10:03:02 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bj1024883; 4 Jul 97 10:02 BST From:("Roger Darlington") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 10:35:49 +0100 Organization: University of Salford Subject: Re: More OP 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970703.103549.22@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 09:08:10 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 > In answer to my problem no 2: > > > > 2) In the instructions, it says that Adjust will > > > insert and remove a gap in the button bar. I must report that, in > > > fact, only the LEFT HAND CTRL SHFT keys perform such an action, the > > > RIGHT HAND CTRL SHFT keys do nothing of a sort!. They do nothing at > > > all, in fact. Why cannot this insert gap function be entirely > > > independent of which CTRL SHFT keys are used? > > > > Mike Hatton replied: > > Mine works with both sets of CTRL SHIFT keys. > > > Roger now concedes: > Having now read that the Library directory should contain only four > items, I discovered six in mine, and proptly deleted 'ImpKeys' and > 'PSsupport'. I suspect that it was 'ImpKeys' that was doing the > dirty, and since I have never used Imp. at all, thought it would be a > good idea to get rid of it entirely. However, I don't know what the > 'PSsupport' does, or whether it is required or redundant now. > Roger Darlington 1 fells Grove Worsley Manchester M28 7JN Home Tel - (0161) 799 9845 R.W.DARLINGTON@acoustics.salford.ac.uk Work Tel - (0161) 295 3399 It's all done by mirrors To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 4 13:45:17 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41681 for david ; Fri, 04 Jul 97 13:45:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868006986:10:28744:44; Fri, 04 Jul 97 10:03:06 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bl1024883; 4 Jul 97 10:02 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 09:52:59 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Some thoughts on 2.45 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970704.095259.87@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 09:47:19 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970703.103104.42@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: Bugs and points noted, thanks. I don't think there is much we can do about the endcaps on lines unless we revert to the way Ovation used to work. > (3) I know index generation has been put on the back burner, but what > are the plans for it now? I really could do with it, and suspect it is > a bit too complex to satisfactorily do with applets. Well there are other things we would certainly give priority to. The plan is that we know that certain of our users would like index generation and will certainly consider implementing it in the future. However we would like to add other features to the program before index generation. > Why are people talking about 2.46 in the maillist? Surely there's not > been another release in the last two weeks? 2.46 mainly overcomes the problem with undersized paper definitions causing a warning when printing. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 4 13:45:20 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41682 for david ; Fri, 04 Jul 97 13:45:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868007030:10:29027:43; Fri, 04 Jul 97 10:03:50 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bn1024883; 4 Jul 97 10:02 BST From:(Mr Stephen Brown) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 10:32:05 +0100 Organization: UMIST Subject: import, export, numbering .. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970703.103205.98@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 17:41:22 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 This letter was sent direct to bebug (2 weeks ago) but as yet I had no reply, so I thought I would post it here to see if anybody could help. Having used it for a few hours I was disappointed to discover that 1) I cannot export RTF format. 2) No facility for automatic referencing / number region. 3) No documention provided on how to go about writing your own applets. Also, I have written my own application program (not !MoleDraw) which produces chemical structures, similar to ChemDraw for the PC. My application produces files which are basically !Draw files but with application specific data added to the file. The problem I have is that, my files have there own file type (to enable direct loading into my application) and therefore are not recognised by Ovation Pro. Previous to using Ovation, I was using Impression Publisher which had no problem handling my files. I realise one way round this would be to set change to file type of my files back to Draw and then drag them into Ovation Pro, but this is not satisfactory because to edit the files I will have to change the file type back again. My question here is, is there any way of configuring Ova-P to treat my files as Draw files. For example Ova-P can handle tablemate files which, like my files, are basically Draw files with tagged data. Another question is: In my reports, I use one section of text repeatedly throughout the document. What I would like to do is set up a button macro with the relavent string. The problem is that, the string I need to insert contains both subscript, Greek Lettering and standard lettering. So far I have been unable to achieve this using macros. The only way I have found to do it so far is to save the text as a DDL file and drag it into the main text where needed. If it is not possible to create a macro to do this directly would it be possible to create a button macro that would simply insert my DDL file from disc into the main text where needed.? Thankyou Stephen Brown To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 4 13:45:29 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41683 for david ; Fri, 04 Jul 97 13:45:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868007038:09:27437:49; Fri, 04 Jul 97 10:03:58 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id br1024883; 4 Jul 97 10:03 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 13:43:04 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: import, export, numbering .. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970703.134304.27@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 13:35:02 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970703.103205.98@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > This letter was sent direct to bebug (2 weeks ago) but as yet I had > no reply, so I thought I would post it here to see if anybody could > help. This is odd since most Ovation enquiries come to the software dept and are dealt with asap. > Having used it for a few hours I was disappointed to discover that > 1) I cannot export RTF format. > 2) No facility for automatic referencing / number region. > 3) No documention provided on how to go about writing your own applets. All of those things are correct except we do document all of the script language functions and provide some extensive examples. Whilst more documentation would be great it is unlikely to happen in the near future. A series of articles in Risc User would be a possibility. Also I am not sure what 2 actually means, sorry dud head on today. > My question here is, is there any way of configuring Ova-P to treat my > files as Draw files. For example Ova-P can handle tablemate files > which, like my files, are basically Draw files with tagged data. Not sure about this one. > In my reports, I use one section of text repeatedly throughout the > document. What I would like to do is set up a button macro with the > relavent string. The problem is that, the string I need to insert > contains both subscript, Greek Lettering and standard lettering. So > far I have been unable to achieve this using macros. The only way I > have found to do it so far is to save the text as a DDL file and drag > it into the main text where needed. > > If it is not possible to create a macro to do this directly would it > be possible to create a button macro that would simply insert my DDL > file from disc into the main text where needed.? defmacro2(4,"type","{string s;int i=0;int currfont=0; int eff=0; currfont=getfont(); eff=geteffect(); while(getfontname(i++,s)) t\");seteffect(eff);}","",""); Well it is possible as the above demonstrates, but you are not left much in the way of space for the text. A library function to set the font would probably be a good idea. (You need to add the macro definition to the !Macros file.) -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 4 13:45:39 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41684 for david ; Fri, 04 Jul 97 13:45:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868007047:10:29027:108; Fri, 04 Jul 97 10:04:07 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bp1024883; 4 Jul 97 10:03 BST From:(Mike Hatton) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 10:35:29 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: More OP 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970703.103529.14@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 18:21:09 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 01 Jul, Roger Darlington wrote: > 2) In the instructions, it says that Adjust will > insert and remove a gap in the button bar. I must report that, in > fact, only the LEFT HAND CTRL SHFT keys perform such an action, the > RIGHT HAND CTRL SHFT keys do nothing of a sort!. They do nothing at > all, in fact. Why cannot this insert gap function be entirely > independent of which CTRL SHFT keys are used? Mine works with both sets of CTRL SHIFT keys. [snip] > 5) With a document loaded, and with a dictionary loaded too, > it is sometimes possible, by clicking on the 'underlining spelling > checker` to get it to underline every correctly spelt word but > leave the in-correctly spelt words not underlined! This happens a > lot when you have multiple documents loaded and are spell checking > between several. It seems to invert the spell checking function! > Clicking twice on the 'underline spell checker` button sorts the > problem out, but it should never occur in the first place. This one I agree on, it happens to me too ... but, as Roger says, usually when more than one document is open. [snip] > 8) I mentioned this before, and you say it is Acorns` > fault. You say that, because of the space occupied by the > button bars, the Page Up and Page Down keys (or equivalent > mouse clicks in the slide bar areas) make the page move up > and down by MORE than a full window full. It is extremely > annoying not to be able to use these keys, for if we do, > we skip parts of the document. Are you absolutely sure > that there is absolutely nothing whatsoever that cannot > be done to prevent this from happening? Surely there > must be some hack that your programmer can do to to > overcome this very unfortunate 'feature`. It really is > most annoying and un-professional. Hear, hear! > These bugs and anomalies all manifest themselves on my > A540, 8MB RAM, OS3.10, printers 1.53patched computer. .... and on my Risc PC 700, 13MB RAM, RiscOS 3.60 -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Hatton mailto:mike@mail.zynet.co.uk http://homepage.zynet.co.uk/mike/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 4 13:45:48 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41685 for david ; Fri, 04 Jul 97 13:45:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868007146:09:28145:43; Fri, 04 Jul 97 10:05:46 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029487; 4 Jul 97 10:05 BST From:(tony van der Hoff) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 10:31:04 +0100 Organization: Subject: Some thoughts on 2.45 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970703.103104.42@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 18:00:56 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Wonderful! Version 2.45 offerd a very real improvement over whichever version I had before. The new Applets are also, in the main, a great enhancement to the system. I'm not much in to colour separations myself, but I'm sure it's great for those who are. Well done, David and Beebug. Nonetheless, we aren't quite there yet, are we? Certain bugs: (1) Draw a diagonal line Make it vertical by dragging its outline box, or editing the info palette (W=0). The line disappears. Save the file as DDL, and re-load it; the (vertical) line reappears. (2) The document window toggle size icon doesn't work after the window has been dragged (Actually, this was true in previous versions also). (3) With the grid lock enabled, draw a line. Go to path edit mode, and try to nudge the endpoint horizontally, away from the grid point. On the first nudge, the line end jumps *vertically* by one pixel (or whatever). The same applies when trying to nudge on the vertical axis. (4) Occasionally, with no apparent pattern, with spellcheck enabled by default, opening a new document from a file, results in all words being underlined in red. Turning the spelling error check off and on again fixes it, but it gives one a nasty surprise! Undesirable "features" (1) The end caps are still stuck beyond the end of lines so that snapping to the grid or any other object ends up with the endcap dangling over the edge. I mentioned this months ago, and whilst I appreciate that maybe it's hard to fix, I'm really disappointed that it's still there. My work involves writing a lot of technical specifications, and diagrams with arrows joining boxes are too numerous for this to just be a minor irritation (especially coupled with bug (3) above). Wish List (1) I asked some time ago, but no harm in repeating the request, whether it would not be a good idea to provide a "remove previous Styles/effects" checkbox on a style definition. This would cause any existing styles/effects to be cancelled when the new style is selected, a bit like the old Ovation 1 styles. (2) Please, could we have the default offsets on the "Duplicate Object" selection match that set for the grid. It is so tedious, having duplicated an object offset by 3mm when the grid is set to 10 mm. to have to go snapping it to the grid. Alternatively, but less desirable, save the duplicate object offsets with the document/default settings. (3) I know index generation has been put on the back burner, but what are the plans for it now? I really could do with it, and suspect it is a bit too complex to satisfactorily do with applets. Why are people talking about 2.46 in the maillist? Surely there's not been another release in the last two weeks? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Tony van der Hoff | E-Mail: tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | WWW: ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 4 13:45:55 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41686 for david ; Fri, 04 Jul 97 13:45:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868007175:09:28247:48; Fri, 04 Jul 97 10:06:15 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ai1024883; 4 Jul 97 9:56 BST From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 10:35:09 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Print nag To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970703.103509.52@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 97 13:12:11 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 1 Jul 97 (15:28:08 +0100), df.symes@argonet.co.uk wrote: >Whenever I try to print a document out of this version, I get a nag >window stating: >Area to be Printed is bigger than paper size and will be cropped Check your Print...Print setup window to make sure that the scale is 100% and X and Y coordinates are zero. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 4 13:46:07 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41687 for david ; Fri, 04 Jul 97 13:45:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868007198:10:00074:43; Fri, 04 Jul 97 10:06:38 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1029487; 4 Jul 97 10:05 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 10:34:50 +0100 Organization: Subject: 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970703.103450.14@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 97 18:19:53 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R From:("Roger Darlington") >1)!SuperShift applet does not work if there are TWO (or more) spaces >after a full stop that ends a sentence. I think we've covered before here how to change this if you want to. >2)In the instructions, it says that Adjust will >insert and remove a gap in the button bar. I must report that, in >fact, only the LEFT HAND CTRL SHFT keys perform such an action, the >RIGHT HAND CTRL SHFT keys do nothing of a sort!. They do nothing at >all, in fact. Why cannot this insert gap function be entirely >independent of which CTRL SHFT keys are used? On my machine left and right keys work. >3)In the colour supplement instruction leaflet, mention is >made of the need to use a colour tint chart. Yet, I cannot find I suppose you can't print these charts, because in the context we're talking about what will come out on a commercial press. A good source is 'The New Designers Handbook' by A. Campbell. (quite possibly also the ArtWorks colour supplement manual). >4,5,6,7 Thank you for the bug reports. I will look in to them. >8) You say that, because of the space occupied by the >button bars, the Page Up and Page Down keys (or equivalent >mouse clicks in the slide bar areas) make the page move up >and down by MORE than a full window full. No, the Page Up/down keys work correctly. The clicks don't for the reasons you've been told. But they could be fairly easily fixed. From:(David Graddol) >I've installed it and it seems to work fine as far as Ovation >text is concerned. I can also get the embedded Artworks graphics to >show appropriately in the process colour separations. But how do I get >the spot colours in Artworks graphics to show up on the separations >for spot colours? Ah well, how can I put this... AW Spot colours won't ever work. This is because we have no mechanism for identifying an AW spot as a spot for the whole document. Although if this is going to be huge problem I might do something about it. I keep thinking that AW is on the way out anyway, I recall doing a lot of twiddling with the AW applet recently and wondering if there was much point. From:("Eason, Dave, EASONDC2") From:(D.A.Symes) >I've just installed OP Vn 2.45, and it seems great, except I have a >small problem with printing. >When I try to print a document, I get an error box saying that the page >is too large for the paper, and will be cropped. The whole page appears >to be printed, and the error occurs with documents which print OK with >the older version. >I have TurboDrivers installed. Could this be the problem? OK, lets get the bad news out of the way. Two versions of OPro have been issued for the free upgrade. 2.45 and 2.46. The difference in these is that this page crop check feature has been made less prominent in 2.46. There is a problem in that OPro and the printer may disagree by tiny amounts on what A4 etc is. 2.46 adds some margin for error. However things are not too bad, because you can twiddle one of the bits of the printchoices2 function first argument to get rid of this crop checking, and most users won't want it anyway. void printchoices2(int printbits_xor,int printbits_and,int spare,int spare); #define PRB_CROPCHECK 0x10 Enables the dbox that warns output is bigger than paper (PRN629). What this means is that if you remove 16 from the first argument of printchoices2() in !OvnPro.Autorun.!Choices the crop check should go away. If it does not then get rid of the file PSSuport from !OvnPro.Library - unless you have a PostScript printer or intend using one. From:("Roger Darlington") >1) It will not run on either my A5000 nor on my A540 with neither the >supplied version nor the older version of the OArtWrks applet set to >positive. It will, however, load successfully with this applet set to >-OArtWrks. All I would say is *do not* mix applets from different versions of the program. In general the AW applet does work. >2) In the APPLICATION CHOICES/COLOUR menu - just below the word >'Typeset' (which is in a writable/selectable window) - the part-word >'ons' appears. What is this 'ons' option, and why is it so far over >to the left that this is the only part of the option that appears on >the screen. Not even the option box for this option appears on the >screen, so we cannot select it, whatever it is. What is it? I think you have some problem specific to your machine or configuration. Please talk to Ian about it by private email. From:(Dr. P.N. Young) >The subject line really says it all! In 2.37 I never seemed to be able to >preserve the tick in the "save ignored words" in the choices > text box, but >ignored words got saved. Now, the ticking problem is there, but ignored words >don't get saved. :-( Am I doing something wrong, or is there a new bug there? This seems to work for me. I wonder what the catch is? I don't recall there being any template problem or problem with the button either. From:(D.A.Symes) >Regarding Ov Pro version 2.46, the recent upgrade. >Some ------ has been meddling with the Statnry Applet, and it won't play >The previous version I was using with 2.36 behaved itself. >My Stationery file inside OvationPro.!OvnPro.Applets.!Statnry.Stationery, >not only contains my ordinary OV Pro templates, but also contains a couple > of standard (Blue Icon) Directories where some less often used templates a >re stored. Ah well. We added a load file function to enable use on the Acorn NC (I am not kidding), I am guessing our applet friend replaced the filer_run below with that function. It should be a case of just putting back the line after deafault: below (file !Statnry.Library.Statnry) int statnry_entry(int entry, int subcode) { switch(entry) { case 0: osclis("filer_opendir " + statnry_path); break; default: osclis("filer_run " + statnry_path + "." + string_menu(statnry_handle,entry)); break; } return(0); } From:(Tony Stauber) >I have been using Ovation for many years, and Ovation Pro for several >months. I am disappointed that no help has been offered to what I am >sure is a simple problem. I'd like to say that, if you don't get an answer to something on this mailing list, feel free to tackle me or Ian via private email. In this case I felt that the free upgrade would probably sort things quicker than a reply. In general it's not always easy to spot what are the vital issues to folk and what are rhetorical questions. From:(D.A.Symes) >MS Word for Windows 6 has a rather amusing grammer checking facility... :-) >Obviously none of the main British Dtp/Word processors offers a similar >function. >Does anyone out there know of a third party application that will do a similar >job, that either works stand alone or interfaces with something like Impression >or Ovation Pro? What could be done fairly easily is an applet that fine tuned text. For example pulling out double spaces after full stops 8-) Spotting words that need capitalising after full stops and so on. Keep on working in this direction and you'd be on the way to a grammer checker. I think the applet wizzard once started on such a project. We'll have to get him to stick it on the web or something. From:(Carl Cepurneek) >Might there be, in that wonderful 'sometime', something like a PRM for OP? >I realise that half of hacking is figuring out where and what to hack, but >there's no sense in everyone having to invent their own wheel. I've only >gone so far as redrawing a few button icons and would be interested in >hearing what (and how) others are doing to make their copy of OP more >personally usable. Yes this would be a great idea. The problem as usual is lack of resources. Perhaps we can pencil it in for when sales pass the 20,000 unit mark. From: Richard Hallas >By the way, I've just noticed that the info palette in Path edit mode >has gone wonky. The tools and X/Y fields are overlapping the status >lines at the left. Fix is Edit the templates, open 'PathTool', icon #0 should be lined up with the window, instead of being pushed off up and to the right. Icon #0 is a large invisible icon which should enclose the area of all the icons in the tool pane. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 01:02:16 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41900 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:02:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868433186:05:29185:61; Wed, 09 Jul 97 08:26:26 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0529020; 9 Jul 97 8:26 BST From:(Colin Mackinlay) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:34:46 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Grammer Checking To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.083446.23@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 20:48:50 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 01 Jul, D.A.Symes wrote: > MS Word for Windows 6 has a rather amusing grammer checking facility... :-) Looks like you could use a spell (spall?) checker too!! Colin -- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 01:02:18 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41901 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:02:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868433221:05:29357:44; Wed, 09 Jul 97 08:27:01 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad0529020; 9 Jul 97 8:26 BST From:(Malcolm Knight) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:36:03 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Ov Pro the Final free Upgrade To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.083603.40@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 11:19:17 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Thu 03 Jul, Rene Turner wrote: > Oh Good, When where How ????? For us poor souls who have yet to receive the free upgrade, could Ian be sure to announce here when the last one was despatched so that we know when to start complaining. :-) -- Malcolm Knight To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 01:02:21 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41902 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:02:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868433278:12:14970:47; Wed, 09 Jul 97 08:27:58 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id af0529020; 9 Jul 97 8:27 BST From:(Tim King) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:39:17 +0100 Organization: Subject: Xtras in Library To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.083917.95@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 22:42:33 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 PSsupport; yes, ok. I also have !RJETLib. What does it do? Redundant? Delete? -- Complexity and Contradiction - in search of the absurd, the terrifying, and the fragile Tim King, De-Sign: ph +64 9 4783114, fax +64 9 4783164 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 01:02:26 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41904 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:02:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868433485:06:01762:46; Wed, 09 Jul 97 08:31:25 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id al0529020; 9 Jul 97 8:31 BST From:(John Clegg) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:34:26 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Grammer Checking To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.083426.76@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Jul 97 19:46:13 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 1 Jul 97 (15:25:03 +0100), df.symes@argonet.co.uk wrote: > > MS Word for Windows 6 has a rather amusing grammer checking facility... Lets walk before we run - isn't that grammar! John -- _____ ______ ______________________________________ /_ _// __/ /__ __ __ __ __ / John Clegg jclegg@argonet.co.uk __/ / / /_/ / ._) _ ` / _ ` / / in Chorley, Lancashire, England /___/./___/_/\__/\__, /\__, / / Ribble Link pages at: ________________ /___/ /___/___/ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jclegg To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 01:02:33 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41905 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:02:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868433520:12:15717:44; Wed, 09 Jul 97 08:32:00 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ay0529020; 9 Jul 97 8:31 BST From:(Colin Mackinlay) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:35:05 +0100 Organization: Subject: Applet menu To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.083505.29@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 20:45:16 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I am sure that I am being mind-bogglingly stupid but I have tried everywhere to find the applets submenu that is supposed to be a new feature at the end of the main menu. What I get is: File Edit View Text Style Object Page Misc and on the Icon bar: Info New Clipboard Choices Documents Stationery Quit Until I find it I can't use all these nice new features. Help please! Colin -- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 01:02:39 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41906 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:02:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868433543:12:15783:43; Wed, 09 Jul 97 08:32:23 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aq0529020; 9 Jul 97 8:32 BST From: davidlewin@aol.com Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:35:43 +0100 Organization: Subject: Networking O-Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.083543.26@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 04:25:30 -0400 (EDT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Does anyone have any experience of using O-Pro on a peer to peer Access network? I need to update our office system of two Acorns (with possibly a third soon) and I am concerned about the same file being loded on two machines and how we keep both copies up to date. Any help and comment welcome. David Lewin Lewin of St. Albans Ltd. delewin@iee.org.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 01:02:45 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41907 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:02:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868433556:05:00864:43; Wed, 09 Jul 97 08:32:36 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id az0529020; 9 Jul 97 8:32 BST From:(Philip Powell) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:37:02 +0100 Organization: Sharp Edge Subject: Re: Ov Pro the Final free Upgrade To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.083702.24@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 11:35:14 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970703.103412.27@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On Wed 02 Jul, D.A.Symes wrote: > > Well... Ovation Pro the last free upgrade has arrived... > > Some good news and some bad news... > > > Oh Good, When where How ????? > I must second Rene's comment! I upgraded from Ovation to Ovation Pro 2.43 a few months ago and have as yet, received none of the promised upgrades. -- Philip Powell To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 01:02:49 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41909 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:02:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868433590:05:00960:43; Wed, 09 Jul 97 08:33:10 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bb0529020; 9 Jul 97 8:32 BST From:(Peter Bond) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:40:15 +0100 Organization: home Subject: Re: Ov Pro the Final free Upgrade To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.084015.50@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 15:47:54 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970703.103412.27@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On Wed 02 Jul, D.A.Symes wrote: > > Well... Ovation Pro the last free upgrade has arrived... > > Some good news and some bad news... > > > Oh Good, When where How ????? I think mine arrived just 7 days back, maybe another 7 for you? :-( Unless it's by pigeon? -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 01:02:52 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41910 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:02:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868433626:12:15996:92; Wed, 09 Jul 97 08:33:46 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id au0529020; 9 Jul 97 8:33 BST From:(Peter Bond) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:40:34 +0100 Organization: home Subject: Re: 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.084034.31@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 15:50:06 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970703.103450.14@risc.demon.co.uk> you (DP) wrote: > > I keep thinking that AW is on the way out anyway, I recall doing a lot of > twiddling with the AW applet recently and wondering if there was much point. > And are you offering to write the replacement? That *would* be splendid news! (This is how rumours start) -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 01:02:56 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41912 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:02:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868433632:06:02361:51; Wed, 09 Jul 97 08:33:52 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bd0529020; 9 Jul 97 8:33 BST From:(Matthew Hambley) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:41:13 +0100 Organization: Arcade BBS - The London Acorn Archimedes BBS Subject: Take up? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.084113.26@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: 05 Jul 1997 12:15:59 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Ep> Yes this would be a great idea. The problem as usual is lack of Ep> resources. Perhaps we can pencil it in for when sales pass the 20,000 Ep> unit mark. Just out of curiosity, how many copies have been sold so far? (\/)atthew (\/)atthew -- ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ | / \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \ | The Archimedes Bulletin Board in London | | A R C A D E | +44(0)181 654 2212 (4 lines) Croydon, UK| | Email & News @arcade.demon.co.uk | +44(0)181 655 4412 Fidonet#2:254/27.0 | To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 01:03:01 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41914 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:02:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868433652:06:02457:45; Wed, 09 Jul 97 08:34:12 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bf0529020; 9 Jul 97 8:34 BST From:(Tim King) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:41:32 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.084132.48@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 22:32:17 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Thu 03 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > > > I keep thinking that AW is on the way out anyway, I recall doing a lot of > twiddling with the AW applet recently and wondering if there was much > point. > Well, David. At least you're more generous than CC. From every response I've had from them in the last couple of years, one can only deduce that AW is well and truly gone! -- Complexity and Contradiction - in search of the absurd, the terrifying, and the fragile Tim King, De-Sign: ph +64 9 4783114, fax +64 9 4783164 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 01:03:07 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41916 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:03:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868433699:05:01449:43; Wed, 09 Jul 97 08:34:59 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bj0529020; 9 Jul 97 8:34 BST From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:37:20 +0100 Organization: Subject: Mailmerge and labels To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.083720.55@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 97 12:40:20 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Ok, the new linked frames in master pages allows me to create a master page with 24 linked label frames on it. How can I use Mailmere to drop a CSV file from Datapower into the first frame and have all the addresses printed on one sheet? I have tried putting [Merge 1] - [Merge 5] in each label, but all I have managed to do is get it to print 24 sheets with a different address in the first label position. BTW, this has nothing to do with the !Labels applet, although I think it has the same problem. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 01:03:15 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41918 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:03:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868433704:05:01488:44; Wed, 09 Jul 97 08:35:04 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bh0529020; 9 Jul 97 8:34 BST From:(Nick Day) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:42:11 +0100 Organization: Subject: Finding styles & effects To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.084211.95@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 00:16:04 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 How does one Find and Replace styles and effects? It was/is simple in Impression . . . you know-- Finding: {tab}Rhubarb and Replacing with: {tab}{Bold on}RHUBARB{Bold} -- works fine in Impression and is something I use a lot. Can't find anything equivalent in the Ovation manual. Thanks for the new version its terrific but I can't use it for one major job till I can do the above! Nick Day To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 01:03:22 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41920 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:03:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868433719:05:01552:56; Wed, 09 Jul 97 08:35:19 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bl0529020; 9 Jul 97 8:35 BST From:("Sveinung W. Tengelsen") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:38:17 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Saving template-positions To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.083817.49@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 13:11:26 +0000 (GMT+1) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Thu 03 Jul, Ian MacDougall wrote: > In message <19970701.152241.10@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > On Tue 24 Jun, David Pilling wrote: [ Having templates opened where you want them ] > To change this require minimal editing of the relevant applet. > For e.g. the style palette script: > > Locate stylepal_centre variable at the top of the file and > change it from 1 to 0. > > Now edit the position of the template in the template file > as suggested and Robert is your father's brother. Looka looka - it works, and Tilla is the sister of my grandfathers' mother-in-law. 8) -- Regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- mailto:pixeleye@sn.no | I have one illusion; http://www.sn.no/~pixeleye/Index.htm | I have no illusions. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 01:03:29 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41922 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:03:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868433761:06:02902:85; Wed, 09 Jul 97 08:36:01 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bn0529020; 9 Jul 97 8:35 BST From:(Terry Worton) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:38:39 +0100 Organization: Ilford Preparatory School Subject: Re: 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.083839.37@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 12:41:08 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Being new to this list, I don't know if this has been mentioned before. If I import a draw file with text in it, the text is displayed but does not print. If I 'convert to path' the text and then import the file it prints ok. I am using v2.46. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From Terry Worton Tel: 0181-599 8822 x24 Ilford Preparatory School Fax: 0181-597 2797 Carnegie Buildings Email: sysadmin@ilfprep.demon.co.uk 785 High Road, Seven Kings Ilford, Essex, IG3 8RR, England --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 01:03:37 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41924 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:03:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868433767:05:01827:45; Wed, 09 Jul 97 08:36:07 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bp0529020; 9 Jul 97 8:36 BST From:(Terry Worton) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:39:37 +0100 Organization: Ilford Preparatory School Subject: Mail merge To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.083937.80@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 14:27:23 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Is there a way of generating a mail merge file and then not printing it? Previously I used Advance and I always selected 'Edit' so that I could keep a file copy of of all merged documents. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From Terry Worton Tel: 0181-599 8822 x24 Ilford Preparatory School Fax: 0181-597 2797 Carnegie Buildings Email: sysadmin@ilfprep.demon.co.uk 785 High Road, Seven Kings Ilford, Essex, IG3 8RR, England --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 01:03:42 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41926 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:03:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868433788:05:01971:43; Wed, 09 Jul 97 08:36:28 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bq0529020; 9 Jul 97 8:36 BST From:(Peter Bond) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:40:52 +0100 Organization: home Subject: Re: Finding styles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.084052.45@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 15:42:47 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970703.103144.53@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > There was some correspondance in c.s.a.apps recently moaning about > OvPro's lack of indexing and contents-generating facilities. > > I remarked (foolishly!) that it should not be too difficult to write > an applet - but I can see no way of searching for a style; which is > what is needed. > I've been nudged by DP and can see another way of doing it, and will even try (fingers crossed). It may take forever (to run as well as write). Erm, looking throught the new list of functions I see that there are two versions of 'papercount' on pages 13 and 14 with different numbers of arguments - is this actually right? -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 01:03:47 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41928 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:03:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868433814:05:02128:43; Wed, 09 Jul 97 08:36:54 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bs0529020; 9 Jul 97 8:36 BST From:(Paul Hutton) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:41:52 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.084152.93@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 13:14:40 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Thu 03 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > >SNIP > From:("Roger Darlington") > > >1)!SuperShift applet does not work if there are TWO (or more) spaces > >after a full stop that ends a sentence. > > I think we've covered before here how to change this if you want to. > > I always leave two spaces after a full stop- for those of us who may have missed the way to sort this out, can you advise again please how to sort out the applet? Thanks in advance -- Paul Hutton on a Risc PC with Strong Arm "If you try and sit on two stools, your bottom hits the floor." My gran on being indecisive To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 01:03:52 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41930 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:03:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868433843:12:16685:47; Wed, 09 Jul 97 08:37:23 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bu0529020; 9 Jul 97 8:37 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:35:24 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: More OP 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.083524.47@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 97 02:27:20 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From:(Dr. P.N. Young) >Particularly the underlining of spelt >words, even though this does seem to do odd things at times! (Opening some >documents with this chosen sometimes has everything underlined in red till the >text is scrolled up and down). A boon to those like me who can't spell or type! There's a bug here which I have just fixed. If you have a document which has no dictionaries loaded for it, and you attempt to use spell checking, then the default dictionaries are added to the document. But, and this is the catch the table counting how many documents are using a given dictionary is not updated. So when a further document is loaded or closed the dictionary being used for the real time spell checking may be flushed from memory. Putting this into useful advice - if you always have dictionaries loaded for your documents, this feature will behave. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 01:03:57 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41932 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:03:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868433880:05:02484:46; Wed, 09 Jul 97 08:38:00 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bw0529020; 9 Jul 97 8:37 BST From:(David Graddol) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:36:43 +0100 Organization: The English Co UK Ltd Subject: Re: 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.083643.52@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 11:43:08 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970703.103450.14@risc.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > From:(David Graddol) > > >I've installed it and it seems to work fine as far as Ovation > >text is concerned. I can also get the embedded Artworks graphics to > >show appropriately in the process colour separations. But how do I get > >the spot colours in Artworks graphics to show up on the separations > >for spot colours? > > Ah well, how can I put this... AW Spot colours won't ever work. > This is because we have no mechanism for identifying an AW spot as a spot > for the whole document. Although if this is going to be huge problem > I might do something about it. > Well, b**ger me is all I can say (in a good natured kind of way)! Is there a half-way method, whereby OVPro could look to see whether an AW file contained a spot colour with the same name as one already defined within the OVPro document and assumed it should appear on the same separation. That way all document separations would be defined by the OVPro colours, but it would still be possible to output separations with AW files. > I keep thinking that AW is on the way out anyway, I recall doing a lot of > twiddling with the AW applet recently and wondering if there was much point. > > There is clearly something of an reinvigoration of AW by the new 3rd party plugins becoming available. But what else could one use for vector graphics? Will OVPro learn how to import EPS files? David To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 01:04:01 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41934 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:03:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868433901:05:02604:46; Wed, 09 Jul 97 08:38:21 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id by0529020; 9 Jul 97 8:38 BST From:(OvationPro Mailing List) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:37:38 +0100 Organization: Subject: iscurrentstyle() ? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.083738.79@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 22:08:39 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Hi..... I previously sent this problem to the list : > In an Applet, I am attempting to determine whether a particular style > is present on some selected text and am having some difficulty. > In particular the addstyle() function appears to flip the style i.e. if > it is already present it turns it off. So if I have a particular style > called say "Highlight", how do I determine whether it is already > present or not? The style handles do not appear to be consistent > between userstyle and currentstyle. What I really need (I think) > is a function such as - iscurrentstylename(string &name) - that > returns non-zero if the style identified by &name is current at the > caret or throughout the selection. I had a helpful reply from David Pilling and awaited the upgrade to Version 2.46. I then tried again. I have got the applet working by using a combination of getuserstyle() and getcurrentstyle(). I have singularly failed to use iscurrentstyle() successfully. It appears to return different results each time it is called even though the selected text via setzonetobm() hasn't been altered. I have checked my code until I am sure that I am reading what I want to - any possibility that there is a bug in this function? .....Jon PS. V2.46 is a brilliant upgrade, especially the new print modes! -- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 01:04:04 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41935 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:04:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868433919:05:02722:43; Wed, 09 Jul 97 08:38:39 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ar0529020; 9 Jul 97 8:38 BST From:(Rob Hemmings) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:38:58 +0100 Organization: Subject: RE: More OP 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.083858.93@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 5 Jul 97 11:06:47 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Thu 3 Jul 97 (10:34:30 +0100), allan@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu wrote: >Roger Darlington wrote: > >>3) In the colour supplement instruction leaflet, mention is >>made of the need to use a colour tint chart. Yet, I cannot find >>such a chart, nor can I find how to print one automatically from >> Ovation Pro. Would it not be a great idea to supply everyone with >> a printable colour tint chart in an Ovation Pro document. Or do >> you already and have I missed it somewhere? >> Or is this what the ProcessCMYK colour chart is for? If >>so, it has only 216 colours in it, not the 1000 colours that the >>instructions mention as necessary for a colour tint chart, and >>also, HOW DO WE PRINT IT? > >You can't know that your colour printer will produce accurate colours - >I imagine the idea is that for colour work you should refer to a >Pantone book or chart, or something similar. You can buy these at most >art supplies stores. > >Graham I think it would still be very useful to be able to print the colour charts for our own printers. We don't all produce output to go to professional printers and I have a great deal of difficulty matching the colour on screen to the one I want to print on my ink jet printer. If I could print the various colour charts this would be much easier. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 01:04:07 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41936 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:04:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868433953:12:17064:44; Wed, 09 Jul 97 08:39:13 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id cb0529020; 9 Jul 97 8:38 BST From:(Roger Mayne) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:37:59 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.083759.41@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 10:11:01 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Thu 03 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > From:(David Graddol) > > >I've installed it and it seems to work fine as far as Ovation > >text is concerned. I can also get the embedded Artworks graphics to > >show appropriately in the process colour separations. But how do I get > >the spot colours in Artworks graphics to show up on the separations > >for spot colours? > > Ah well, how can I put this... AW Spot colours won't ever work. > This is because we have no mechanism for identifying an AW spot as a spot > for the whole document. Although if this is going to be huge problem > I might do something about it. > > I keep thinking that AW is on the way out anyway, I recall doing a lot of > twiddling with the AW applet recently and wondering if there was much point. David, As general jobbing & colour printers, using Acorn machines to produce all origination, I can assure you that this is an immense problem to those of us who try to earn a crust using what we consider to be the finest graphics computers available. Until Ovation Pro colour supplement became available, we HAD to use Publisher+, so we were extremely disappointed to find that Ovation Pro does not support a basic requirement for professional use of being able to import Artworks spot colours. I'm well aware that we could use one of the four colour process colours, but our clients like to see a colour proof! Perhaps as you keep thinking that AW is on the way out, you know of a vector graphics programme which will take its place or one which is available that Ovation Pro will support. So please, please, please do something about it. Also, another problem which we seem to have, is that we cannot change the lpi setting for any graphic or indeed the overall lpi print setting. Although we can change the writable icons, the image ALWAYS prints at 105 lpi, not even at the default setting of 150 lpi. Any suggestions please. We would dearly love to use Ovation Pro totally, but until these problems are addressed I'm afraid its back to the ancient Publisher Plus for us! -- Roger Mayne mailto:darprint@mail.zynet.co.uk Darprint, Unit 21, r/o 8-14 St. Vincents Road, Dartford, Kent, DA1 1XZ Tel: 01322 227574 Fax: 01322 291237 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 01:04:10 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41937 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:04:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868433974:05:03034:68; Wed, 09 Jul 97 08:39:34 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id cd0529020; 9 Jul 97 8:39 BST From:("Roger Darlington") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:36:22 +0100 Organization: University of Salford Subject: RE: More OP 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.083622.69@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 11:59:03 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 > Roger Darlington wrote: > > >3) In the colour supplement instruction leaflet, mention is > >made of the need to use a colour tint chart. Yet, I cannot find > >such a chart, nor can I find how to print one automatically from > > Ovation Pro. Would it not be a great idea to supply everyone with > > a printable colour tint chart in an Ovation Pro document. Or do > > you already and have I missed it somewhere? > > Or is this what the ProcessCMYK colour chart is for? If > >so, it has only 216 colours in it, not the 1000 colours that the > >instructions mention as necessary for a colour tint chart, and > >also, HOW DO WE PRINT IT? > And Graham Allan replied : > You can't know that your colour printer will produce accurate colours - > I imagine the idea is that for colour work you should refer to a Pantone > book or chart, or something similar. You can buy these at most art > supplies stores. > Roger replies: Correct, you cannot know that your printer will produce accurate colours - if the idea is to try and print an accurate Pantone chart using my own colour printer. Impossible. But I thought that the idea of having a 1000 colour tint chart was to do just that and print it out on our own colour printer. If the colours are also labelled with how much red, green and blue was used to obtain the colours printed, this would enable us to refer to this chart so that we can change the on-screen colours to the colours that we desire on the final printout (hopefully, just by changing the individual R,G & B gamma correction curves of OP). Isn't this the idea of a 1000-colour tint chart that has been printed out on our own particular colour printer? In effect, printing out a 1000-colour tint chart on our own printers enables us to calibrate or cross-correlate the on-screen colours to the printed colours. To this end, it would be great if Beebug supplied us with either a) a means to automaticaly generate a 1000-colour tint chart within OP and to be able to print it out on our own printers. or b) Supplied us with an OP document already containing a 1000-colour tint chart so that we can print it out on our own printers. or c) Failing this, why do not Beebug enable us to print the ProcessCMYK colour chart that is already generated within OP, albeit with only 216 colours and not the 1000 colours that Beebug deem as necessary. And, yes, this (one of the 3 above) is a specific request David, not a rhetorical question. Roger Roger Darlington 1 fells Grove Worsley Manchester M28 7JN Home Tel - (0161) 799 9845 R.W.DARLINGTON@acoustics.salford.ac.uk Work Tel - (0161) 295 3399 It's all done by mirrors To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 01:04:14 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41938 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:04:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868434033:12:17281:69; Wed, 09 Jul 97 08:40:33 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0503135; 9 Jul 97 8:39 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:39:56 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.083956.71@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 97 14:26:20 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 From:(Rupert Thompson) >Does anybody know how the Tagged Data Manager functions (Script >Language docs, p.10) work? The docs say "Tag values should be allocated >by taking the standard applet 3 letter prefix as a binary number and >shifting it left 8 places ... This gives each applet 256 tags". >But what's the "standard applet 3 letter prefix"? Can't see any >reference to that /anywhere/. The idea is that applets each have a unique 3 letter prefix. And it would be used for function names, variable names, sprite names, template names, message token names. So avoding name space collisions. So Bob's applet would have variables like; int bob_var1; int bob_var2; The preceding quote just means we don't have to have a global allocation scheme for tags. You can find an example of the tagged data manager in use in the 'thumbnail' script in the Imposition applet. From:(Peter Bond) >There are other valid reasons for searching for style and effect >names and the lack of this facility does seem a considerable >shortcoming. Might it arrive - in the not-too-far-distant future? As an extension to the standard find/replace box, I suppose it might arrive one day. For now you could step book marks word by word and look what the current user styles are. From:(tony van der Hoff) >(1) The end caps are still stuck beyond the end of lines so that >snapping to the grid or any other object ends up with the endcap >dangling over the edge. I mentioned this months ago, and whilst I >appreciate that maybe it's hard to fix, I'm really disappointed that >it's still there. This is fixable - but as with a lot of other things, it got pushed down the todo list. >(2) Please, could we have the default offsets on the "Duplicate Object" >selection match that set for the grid. It is so tedious, having >duplicated an object offset by 3mm when the grid is set to 10 mm. to >have to go snapping it to the grid. Alternatively, but less desirable, >save the duplicate object offsets with the document/default settings. I think the duplicateselection() function allows you to specify the offsets, so someone could probably fix this at it stands. But, yes a good suggestion for future versions. >(3) I know index generation has been put on the back burner, but what >are the plans for it now? I really could do with it, and suspect it is >a bit too complex to satisfactorily do with applets. A lot of indexing is already built in, but following the csa discussion I'm inclined to think we should scrap the current idea where 'index' is a text attribute (like bold), and do something more sophisticated. From:(Carl Cepurneek) >The imposition applet is a PCUJD! It's also something of a synapse snapper writing new imposition formats. The grand idea is that you can now add your own imposition formats. For example we have a format that does booklets, 4 pages per sheet of paper - even allowing for doing a special sheet if the pages round to a multiple of 4 and not 8. You can change the gutter between the pages, and adding 'creep' (small changes to the position of pages nearer the centre of the booklet) would be trivial. However anyone can now add an imposition format with 8 pages per sheet, or perhaps one to do those folding cards with 3 pages per side. I think we'd give a prize to someone who managed to come up with a new, useful format and wrote the script file correctly. One response to that, is "why didn't you make it easier to do?". The current scheme is the simplest I could think of which allows for all the complications of the real world (like the special sheet mentioned above). I had hoped there'd be a sort of imposition description language in which an imposition specification could be written. Seemingly not, and so we're stuck with the procedural scheme. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 01:04:16 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41939 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:04:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868434316:05:05220:44; Wed, 09 Jul 97 08:45:16 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id at0529020; 9 Jul 97 8:37 BST From:(Mr J P Kerslake) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:42:31 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Print nag To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.084231.46@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Jul 97 11:04:43 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 4 10:05:19 1997 From: Ray Dawson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 10:35:09 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Print nag To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 97 13:12:11 BST X-Maillist: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Content-Length: 741 On Tue 1 Jul 97 (15:28:08 +0100), df.symes@argonet.co.uk wrote: >Whenever I try to print a document out of this version, I get a nag >window stating: >Area to be Printed is bigger than paper size and will be cropped Check your Print...Print setup window to make sure that the scale is 100% and X and Y coordinates are zero. Ray D How about a "fit frame to print margin" butten applet To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 14:03:47 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42000 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 14:03:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868519427:14:19947:43; Thu, 10 Jul 97 08:23:47 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122234; 10 Jul 97 8:23 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 09:44:31 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Xtras in Library To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.094431.15@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 09:27:49 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970708.083917.95@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > PSsupport; yes, ok. I also have !RJETLib. What does it do? Redundant? Delete? > OK that's a third party library from the prolific Mr Thompson. Check your installed applets for one of his. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 14:03:50 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42001 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 14:03:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868519501:10:12830:45; Thu, 10 Jul 97 08:25:01 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1122234; 10 Jul 97 8:24 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 09:44:49 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Mail merge To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.094449.03@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 09:30:44 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970708.083937.80@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Is there a way of generating a mail merge file and then not printing > it? > > Previously I used Advance and I always selected 'Edit' so that I could > keep a file copy of of all merged documents. Not that I'm aware of. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 14:03:52 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42002 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 14:03:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868519594:09:14378:73; Thu, 10 Jul 97 08:26:34 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ae1122234; 10 Jul 97 8:26 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 09:42:38 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Applet menu To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.094238.57@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:58:18 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970708.083505.29@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I am sure that I am being mind-bogglingly stupid but I have tried everywhere > to find the applets submenu that is supposed to be a new feature at the end > of the main menu. You obviously must have applets in the !OvnPro.Applets directory. You must also not have any old scripts or the !Scripts applet hanging around as these can clash. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 14:03:54 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42003 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 14:03:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868519675:09:14820:64; Thu, 10 Jul 97 08:27:55 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ag1122234; 10 Jul 97 8:27 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 09:44:12 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.094412.44@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 09:25:19 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970708.083839.37@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Being new to this list, I don't know if this has been mentioned > before. > > If I import a draw file with text in it, the text is displayed but > does not print. If I 'convert to path' the text and then import > the file it prints ok. This is the font blending problem probably. I've emailed a response directly. If anyone else new needs the answer then contact me directly. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 14:03:57 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42004 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 14:03:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868519817:14:20226:53; Thu, 10 Jul 97 08:30:17 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ak1122234; 10 Jul 97 8:29 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 09:42:57 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Networking O-Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.094257.37@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 09:14:41 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970708.083543.26@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Does anyone have any experience of using O-Pro on a peer to peer Access > network? > > I need to update our office system of two Acorns (with possibly a third soon) > and I am concerned about the same file being loded on two machines and how we > keep both copies up to date. The program certainly works across an Access network, however there is no automatic way of locking files when they are in use by a program. You could lock the file or move it to an unshared position whilst you work on it to stop others modifying it. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 14:04:00 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42005 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 14:03:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868519817:14:20224:60; Thu, 10 Jul 97 08:30:17 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ah1122234; 10 Jul 97 8:28 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 09:43:16 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Ov Pro the Final free Upgrade To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.094316.83@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 09:17:23 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970708.083603.40@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On Thu 03 Jul, Rene Turner wrote: > > > Oh Good, When where How ????? > > For us poor souls who have yet to receive the free upgrade, could Ian be > sure to announce here when the last one was despatched so that we know when > to start complaining. :-) > Here is a big stick please hit me with it. We should have most of the upgrades sent out by the end of the week. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 14:04:03 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42006 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 14:04:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868519825:10:14760:45; Thu, 10 Jul 97 08:30:25 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id am1122234; 10 Jul 97 8:29 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 09:45:07 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Finding styles & effects To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.094507.76@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 09:41:24 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970708.084211.95@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > How does one Find and Replace styles and effects? It was/is simple in > Impression . . . you know-- > > Finding: {tab}Rhubarb > > and Replacing with: > > {tab}{Bold on}RHUBARB{Bold} > > -- works fine in Impression and is something I use a lot. Can't find > anything equivalent in the Ovation manual. > > Thanks for the new version its terrific but I can't use it for one major job > till I can do the above! There is no built in way to do this. Peter Bond has been talking earlier about writing an applet to do this. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 14:04:05 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42007 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 14:04:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868519833:10:14751:86; Thu, 10 Jul 97 08:30:33 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ap1122234; 10 Jul 97 8:30 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 09:43:35 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Mailmerge and labels To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.094335.32@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 09:20:25 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970708.083720.55@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Ok, the new linked frames in master pages allows me to create a master page > with 24 linked label frames on it. > > How can I use Mailmere to drop a CSV file from Datapower into the first frame > and have all the addresses printed on one sheet? I have tried putting > [Merge 1] - [Merge 5] in each label, but all I have managed to do is get it to > print 24 sheets with a different address in the first label position. Is this what you want, from the ReadMe: If you wish to import data e.g. names and address from a file, the data needs to be formatted correctly first. Each field should be separated by a Line Feed (0x0A) and each record by a CLS (0x0C). If your data is in CSV format, then you will need to convert your file before it is imported (using !Edit for example). Name<0A> Address 1<0A> Address 2<0A> Address 3(0A> PostCode<0C> Name<0A> Address 1<0A> Address 2<0A> Address 3(0A> PostCode<0C> -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 14:04:08 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42008 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 14:04:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868519885:14:20297:57; Thu, 10 Jul 97 08:31:25 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id at1122234; 10 Jul 97 8:31 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 09:43:54 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: iscurrentstyle() ? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.094354.08@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 09:22:14 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970708.083738.79@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Hi..... > I previously sent this problem to the list : > > > In an Applet, I am attempting to determine whether a particular style > > is present on some selected text and am having some difficulty. > > In particular the addstyle() function appears to flip the style i.e. if > > it is already present it turns it off. So if I have a particular style > > called say "Highlight", how do I determine whether it is already > > present or not? The style handles do not appear to be consistent > > between userstyle and currentstyle. What I really need (I think) > > is a function such as - iscurrentstylename(string &name) - that > > returns non-zero if the style identified by &name is current at the > > caret or throughout the selection. > > I had a helpful reply from David Pilling and awaited the upgrade to > Version 2.46. I then tried again. I have got the applet working by > using a combination of getuserstyle() and getcurrentstyle(). I have > singularly failed to use iscurrentstyle() successfully. It appears > to return different results each time it is called even though the > selected text via setzonetobm() hasn't been altered. I have checked > my code until I am sure that I am reading what I want to - any possibility > that there is a bug in this function? Probably best to send us a code fragment and document that shows the problem. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 10 14:04:11 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42009 for david ; Thu, 10 Jul 97 14:04:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868519886:10:15164:43; Thu, 10 Jul 97 08:31:26 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ar1122234; 10 Jul 97 8:30 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:42:49 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: import, export, numbering .. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970708.084249.09@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 97 03:54:18 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 From:(Mr Stephen Brown) >2) No facility for automatic referencing / number region. I think a big decision for the near future is whether we do bulleting etc. The program as it stands has almost all the code for auto bullets/auto numbering in it. Getting this working is the key to contents generation. We've had some good suggestions on indexing, it might be interesting to hear what would be desirable for the above. >My question here is, is there any way of configuring Ova-P to treat my >files as Draw files. For example Ova-P can handle tablemate files >which, like my files, are basically Draw files with tagged data. This is something which I should have fixed long ago. I have now added the necessary interface. Which begs the question of how do you get a copy - ask Ian nicely in a couple of weeks I suppose. >In my reports, I use one section of text repeatedly throughout the >document. What I would like to do is set up a button macro with the >relavent string. Certainly macros can be set up to generate text with effects. I think this is covered in the hints and tips on the web pages. The trick we have discovered is to use keypress macros to change style {'C_I} for italics etc. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:00 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42089 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:44:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868606975:12:00817:63; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:42:55 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id af1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:42 BST From:(Rupert Thompson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:14:56 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Xtras in Library To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081456.09@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 09:07:18 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 08 Jul, Tim King wrote: > PSsupport; yes, ok. I also have !RJETLib. What does it do? Redundant? Delete? Its used by the Smart Fractions and Russian applets on the Ovation Pro website, and also by the Greek, Critic and EndNotes applets on my website (the one at .cam.ac.uk, not the one at geocities). It has some functions for setting and detecting styles by name, amongst other things, which all of these applets needed, so it seemed sensible to put them in a library rather than replicating the code multiple times. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK Research Fellow in Classics Tel.: 01223-331943 / 0402-130221 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/4423/ http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (during the day) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:02 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42090 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607067:05:12724:52; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:44:27 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ae1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:44 BST From:(Rene Turner) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:15:51 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Ov Pro the Final free Upgrade To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081551.53@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 22:54:39 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 08 Jul, Malcolm Knight wrote: > On Thu 03 Jul, Rene Turner wrote: > > > Oh Good, When where How ????? > > For us poor souls who have yet to receive the free upgrade, could Ian be > sure to announce here when the last one was despatched so that we know when > to start complaining. :-) > > -- > Malcolm Knight Hi Malcolm, well i am pleased to announce that my copy was sent Airmail and arrived at my home in New Zealand Today. Considering how far away i am i think that is pretty good going. Congratulations Beebug, great service, well done. and........ Thank You........... -- May G-d Bless you and Keep you... Ren Turner ... Mailto:renet@wave.co.nz H.I.S. NZ http://www.nzdances.co.nz/hosted/brain/ To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:05 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42091 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607147:05:13081:59; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:45:47 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ah1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:45 BST From:(Andre van den Berg) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:16:49 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.46 anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081649.52@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 14:47:28 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Hello, I'm very happy with the new version of Ovation (finally getting rid of non- RISC OS and underdeveloped Impression and ctrl_C/crtl_v. One thing that puzzles me: I cant get a postscript screen to print in other halftone lpi-figures or dot-formats visible on my HP6M printer (which I could do with Publisher/Publisher+). I don't see any change in the printout.... Met vriendelijke groet / with kind regards, Andre van den Berg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ECD Computers, Patrijsweg 76, 2289 EX Rijswijk, The Netherlands Tel.: +31(0)70 319 4343 - fax: 319 4963 Url: http://www.xs4all.nl/~ecdbv/ e-mail Acorn: ecdbv@xs4all.nl (e-mail PC's: ecd@euronet.nl) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:07 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42092 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607187:06:26943:101; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:46:27 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ai1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:46 BST From:(Julian Wright) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:17:07 +0100 Organization: USS Enterprise, NCC 1701a Subject: Re: Ov Pro the Final free Upgrade To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081707.69@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 00:57:04 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Malcolm Knight writes: > For us poor souls who have yet to receive the free upgrade, could Ian be > sure to announce here when the last one was despatched so that we know when > to start complaining. :-) Well my copy arrived in the mail (airmail) about a week ago, and mail from the UK takes about 6 working days to get here normally. I presume then that Beebug are not sending the upgrades in alphabetical order of surname then! Don't worry Malcolm. If it can get here safely then it can get anywhere. :) Julian -- Math and alcohol don't mix. Don't drink and derive. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:11 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42094 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607218:05:13484:89; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:46:58 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ak1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:46 BST From:(Alan Muscat) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:17:27 +0100 Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts Subject: Re: Ov Pro the Final free Upgrade To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081727.44@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 19:33:52 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970708.084015.50@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > In message <19970703.103412.27@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > On Wed 02 Jul, D.A.Symes wrote: > > > Well... Ovation Pro the last free upgrade has arrived... > > > Some good news and some bad news... > > > > > Oh Good, When where How ????? > > I think mine arrived just 7 days back, maybe another 7 for you? :-( > Unless it's by pigeon? > Well mine arrived today, and I was very happy to wait, the longer the better, I thought (within reason), since by the time mine was mailed out I might get one without all the bugs that keep being mentioned here! -- Alan Muscat **************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:14 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42096 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607224:12:01602:58; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:47:04 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id am1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:46 BST From:(Philip Powell) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:18:05 +0100 Organization: Sharp Edge Subject: Re: Applet menu To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081805.04@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 20:22:25 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970708.083505.29@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I am sure that I am being mind-bogglingly stupid but I have tried everywhere > to find the applets submenu that is supposed to be a new feature at the end > of the main menu. > > What I get is: > File > Edit > View > Text > Style > Object > Page > Misc > > and on the Icon bar: > Info > New > Clipboard > Choices > Documents > Stationery > Quit > > Until I find it I can't use all these nice new features. Help please! > > Colin > Have you remembered to install them into !OvnPro.Applets by copying them from the Extensions directory on the Colour Supplement disc and then re-running !OvnPro? As you can see, the upgrade arrived:-) HTH -- Philip Powell To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:18 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42098 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607238:05:13584:84; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:47:18 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ao1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:47 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:18:40 +0100 Organization: Subject: SuperShift tweek To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081840.97@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 97 02:22:05 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 from private mail; >Just been reading your reply to Roger Darlington (3.7.97) on double >space/capital in SuperShift. Unfortunately I must have missed the >original instructions... Add in !SuprShft.Library.SuprShft after if(suprshft_flag == 1 && key == 32 || key == 13 || key == 394 || key == 2061 || key == 6669) suprshft_flag = 2; else This bit; if(suprshft_flag ==2 && key == 32) suprshft_flag = 2; else David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:20 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42099 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607255:05:13704:44; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:47:35 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aq1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:47 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:42:45 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.084245.99@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:21:27 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970708.094412.44@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > In message <19970708.083839.37@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > Being new to this list, I don't know if this has been mentioned > > before. > > > > If I import a draw file with text in it, the text is displayed but > > does not print. If I 'convert to path' the text and then import > > the file it prints ok. > > This is the font blending problem probably. I've emailed a response > directly. If anyone else new needs the answer then contact me > directly. > Well then maybe not. AsDavid pointed out to me this problem will have gone away with 2.46, so the most likely cause is the Calligraph printer problem. See David's reply for more info. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:23 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42100 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607292:05:13877:47; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:48:12 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id as1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:47 BST From:(Dr. P.N. Young) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:14:35 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.46 bugs and anomalies (saving ignored words) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081435.74@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 97 16:12:46 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Thu 3 Jul 97 (10:34:50 +0100), david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > >From:(Dr. P.N. Young) > >>The subject line really says it all! In 2.37 I never seemed to be able >to >>preserve the tick in the "save ignored words" in the choices > text >box, but >>ignored words got saved. Now, the ticking problem is there, but >ignored words >>don't get saved. :-( Am I doing something wrong, or is there a new >bug there? > >This seems to work for me. I wonder what the catch is? I don't recall >there being any template problem or problem with the button either. > It's *suddenly* started working for me too! (though the tick box in Choices > Text still won't tick). Could it have been a clash with something else I was using, which is not in the boot sequence? If it crops up again I'll try to see what could have been doing it, and report it as a possible clash. Best wishes, Peter Young. -- Peter \ / \ 112,Linden Ave., Prestbury, Cheltenham, Anne \ / __ __ \ Glos. GL52 3DS, England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ +44 (0)1242-520459 James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:25 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42101 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607296:05:13877:116; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:48:16 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id au1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:48 BST From:(Nick Kaijaks) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:15:14 +0100 Organization: Subject: Font menu bug? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081514.08@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:08:45 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Has anyone else experienced problems with font selection using the new (otherwise much better) font menu system in 2.46? Two examples of the sort of problem I've had: Using EFF LondonA as a bodytext font, click the Bold icon on the toolbar, get LondonA.Bold - fine. If I click on the Italic icon though, I get LondonA.DemiBold.Italic! Another example is a font called Mesouran, with Casual, Sans and Serif styles, all of which contain the usual 4 weights (b,i,bi,) within. If my bodystyle uses Mesouran.Sans, then clicking italic gives me Mesouran.Casual.Italic! I've had this sort of mis-selection on a number of fonts. Help! TTFN, Nick -- nick kaijaks >> proprietor >> pinxit design >> putting the solution together the budget sensitive graphic design consultancy for internet and print media http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~phrvn/ mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:28 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42102 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607311:06:27388:83; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:48:31 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aw1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:48 BST From:(Ariancylch) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:16:11 +0100 Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body Subject: Re: Ov Pro the Final free Upgrade To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081611.59@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 01:56:22 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970708.084015.50@risc.demon.co.uk> Peter Bond wrote: > In message <19970703.103412.27@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > On Wed 02 Jul, D.A.Symes wrote: > > > Well... Ovation Pro the last free upgrade has arrived... > > > Some good news and some bad news... > > > > > Oh Good, When where How ????? > > I think mine arrived just 7 days back, maybe another 7 for you? :-( > Unless it's by pigeon? Shouldn't be by pigeon, we got ours about two weeks ago, I think. Must depend on where you are on the list :) (T'was the last time I was around the software acquisition section, and the upgrade was there, so...) -- I won't use words again May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said places where you must walk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:30 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42103 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607364:06:27604:43; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:49:24 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ay1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:48 BST From:(Rob Hemmings) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:17:45 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081745.85@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 97 22:47:20 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Thu 3 Jul 97 (10:34:50 +0100), David Pilling wrote: > > >From:("Roger Darlington") > >>2) In the APPLICATION CHOICES/COLOUR menu - just below the word >>'Typeset' (which is in a writable/selectable window) - the part-word >>'ons' appears. What is this 'ons' option, and why is it so far over >>to the left that this is the only part of the option that appears on >>the screen. Not even the option box for this option appears on the >>screen, so we cannot select it, whatever it is. What is it? > >I think you have some problem specific to your machine or >configuration. >Please talk to Ian about it by private email. > I also seem to have exactly the same problem - should I also e-mail Ian separately? -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:33 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42104 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607373:05:14260:101; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:49:33 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bc1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:49 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:43:04 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.084304.20@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:39:17 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970628.081745.85@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On Thu 3 Jul 97 (10:34:50 +0100), David Pilling wrote: > > > > > >From:("Roger Darlington") > > > > >>2) In the APPLICATION CHOICES/COLOUR menu - just below the word > >>'Typeset' (which is in a writable/selectable window) - the part-word > >>'ons' appears. What is this 'ons' option, and why is it so far over > >>to the left that this is the only part of the option that appears on > >>the screen. Not even the option box for this option appears on the > >>screen, so we cannot select it, whatever it is. What is it? > > > >I think you have some problem specific to your machine or > >configuration. > >Please talk to Ian about it by private email. > > > > I also seem to have exactly the same problem - should I also e-mail Ian > separately? This is just a little untidiness. An icon was moved off to the left of the template and forgotten. It only shows up if you use the system font (or I suppose a wider proportional font). -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:35 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42105 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607375:05:14262:96; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:49:35 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ba1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:49 BST From:(Peter Bond) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:18:22 +0100 Organization: home Subject: Re: iscurrentstyle() ? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081822.88@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 21:21:38 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970708.083738.79@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > In an Applet, I am attempting to determine whether a particular style > > is present on some selected text and am having some difficulty. . . . . . > > between userstyle and currentstyle. What I really need (I think) > > is a function such as - iscurrentstylename(string &name) - that > > returns non-zero if the style identified by &name is current at the > > caret or throughout the selection. > .. . . . > I have > singularly failed to use iscurrentstyle() successfully. Me too! However, I had a very helpdul tip from David and it now appears to be working ok (but don't hold your breath!) The answer appears to be *always* to precede the iscurrentstyle(isit) call with the call for bodytext: iscurrentstyle(0). I need to digest what it does more as yet, but it seems to pick a somewhat peculiar area over which the style is said to be applied. -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:38 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42106 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607439:05:14644:44; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:50:39 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id be1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:49 BST From:(Mr J P Kerslake) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:15:32 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applet menu To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081532.72@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 97 09:54:40 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Re:- From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 9 08:40:17 1997 >From: Colin Mackinlay >Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk >Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:35:05 +0100 >Organization: >Subject: Applet menu >To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L >Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk >X-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 20:45:16 +0100 (BST) >X-Maillist: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS >X-Apparently-From: >X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 >Content-Length: 554 >I am sure that I am being mind-bogglingly stupid but I have tried everywhere >to find the applets submenu that is supposed to be a new feature at the end >of the main menu. >What I get is: >File >Edit >View >Text >Style >Object >Page >Misc When I installed the new version of OP.I did not get the applet menu. I had to re instal it again AND copy the applets into the applet folder BEFORE runing OP for the first time. NB Do not foget to save a backup copy of your dictionary. I Over-wrote mine & It will take me a wile to rebuild it. On my wish list for future upgrades:- (1) Index generator (2) Integrated spellchecker & therasus I am dysliexic So I like to check that I have not spellchecked a missspelling into a different word. (3) Make table mate/or a speradsheet remain active after inplorting into OP. So I can make changes easly. John Percy Kerslake, kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Pager 01426-235878, dysliexia rules k o Sorry My spell checker will not work with my mail package I am writing this at work on a sun To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:42 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42107 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607449:12:02319:45; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:50:49 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bi1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:50 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:18:59 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: More OP 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081859.46@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 97 02:06:19 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R From:(Tim King) >PSsupport; yes, ok. I also have !RJETLib. What does it do? Redundant? Delete? It's part of an applet you once installed. One of the third party ones off the web pages. Guess if you still use the applet you still need it. From:(Colin Mackinlay) >I am sure that I am being mind-bogglingly stupid but I have tried everywhere >to find the applets submenu that is supposed to be a new feature at the end >of the main menu. This will only appear if you have some active applets. That means something in the !OvnPro.Applets directory which is active (does not have a name which ends with a '-'). I think you have to copy some applets there from one of the release discs. From:(Peter Bond) > > I keep thinking that AW is on the way out anyway, I recall doing a lot of > twiddling with the AW applet recently and wondering if there was much point. > Well yes the response is if AW is on the way out, whats going to replace it? Fair point. From my own (unique) point of view, OPro itself would make a good vector drawing package with the addition of a few heavy weight applets. I can't see why someone should have to labour through all the undo/redo, impositon, colour correction etc. etc. stuff again for another program. However given that the OPro graduated fill applet has languished on my hard disc for nearly 12 months now. I would not hold your breath. From:(Matthew Hambley) >Just out of curiosity, how many copies have been sold so far? Approaching 2000 (from below). From:(Ray Dawson) >Ok, the new linked frames in master pages allows me to create a master page >with 24 linked label frames on it. >How can I use Mailmere to drop a CSV file from Datapower into the first frame >and have all the addresses printed on one sheet? I have tried putting >[Merge 1] - [Merge 5] in each label, but all I have managed to do is get it to >print 24 sheets with a different address in the first label position. There are two conflicting approaches here. On the one hand you have mailmerge, which won't solve your problem. On the other, the technique of constructing a document which has 24 labels on each page, and dropping your addresses into it, in such a way that each label frame gets one address, and you print the document once, producing a number of sheets of labels. This second approach is quite good. I used to use it with Ovation 1, and people had been unhappy that it was not possible with OPro. As you point out, it is now. The catch of course is getting a CSV file into the right format. (I saw this explained on csa by an angry fellow (aren't they all?)). It's actually in the release notes with 2.45. You edit the CSV (better TSV) file so the lines of the addresses are split by line feeds, and the records by code 12's (form feeds) - the latter force a new frame. It would be easy to write a transloader which would allow transparent conversion from CSV to the required format. From:(Nick Day) >How does one Find and Replace styles and effects? It was/is simple in >Impression . . . you know-- Yep, good idea. On the todo list. I suppose (and I'm leading you astray here) you save the document as DDL and then use a copy of Edit on it. Requoting yourself in OPro format; Finding: {tab}/n"Rhubarb and Replacing with: {tab}{bold 1}"RHUBARB"{bold 0}" Can be done, not pretty though. From:(Terry Worton) >If I import a draw file with text in it, the text is displayed but >does not print. If I 'convert to path' the text and then import >the file it prints ok. If you're using a Caligraph printer, get the fontfix module off my web site (at the end). Otherwise, tell me more. >Is there a way of generating a mail merge file and then not printing >it? Not sure I understand this. You can't do what you can in Impression, and step through the mail merge records. Yet another for the todo list (along with Impulse support). From:(Peter Bond) >Erm, looking throught the new list of functions I see that there are >two versions of 'papercount' on pages 13 and 14 with different >numbers of arguments - is this actually right? I think (hope) one of those is a function prototype, i.e. you provide a function which has those parameters and returns that value, but is called something else (mypapercount()) and the other is a real function which OPro provides. From:(David Graddol) >Is there a half-way method, whereby OVPro could look to see whether an >AW file contained a spot colour with the same name as one already >defined within the OVPro document and assumed it should appear >on the same separation. That way all document separations would be >defined by the OVPro colours, but it would still be possible to output >separations with AW files. Yes, good suggestion. >Will OVPro learn how to import EPS files? Yes, high priority, and unfortunate that we didn't push the colour supplement that little bit further. From:(OvationPro Mailing List) >I have singularly failed to use iscurrentstyle() successfully. Ah well. Sorry about this, but if you call this with an index of zero, it will build its data structures, and then a call with another value will then work. Non-obvious, non-documented... This is the way the menus work (call with zero first). Roger Darlington >In effect, printing out a 1000-colour tint >chart on our own printers enables us to calibrate or cross-correlate >the on-screen colours to the printed colours. Yes this is a good idea. There's a neat little program waiting to be written that takes a colour chart and turns it into DDL, which you can then load and print. Either that or someone with a lot of patience to click a few 1000 times. I'd rather put the effort into adding global colour correction which would allow you to get the right colours on ink jets etc. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:45 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42108 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607475:12:02319:137; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:51:15 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bg1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:50 BST From:(Ariancylch) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:16:31 +0100 Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body Subject: Re: import, export, numbering .. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081631.08@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 02:00:47 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970703.134304.27@risc.demon.co.uk> Ian MacDougall wrote: > In message <19970703.103205.98@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > Having used it for a few hours I was disappointed to discover that > > 1) I cannot export RTF format. I haven't had a look at the applet info, but perhaps someone who has could comment on whether it'd be at all feasible to do this sort of thing with an applet? > > 2) No facility for automatic referencing / number region. > > 3) No documention provided on how to go about writing your own > > applets. > > All of those things are correct except we do document all of the > script language functions and provide some extensive examples. > Whilst more documentation would be great it is unlikely to happen > in the near future. A series of articles in Risc User would be > a possibility. There appears to be a few people here that have some idea about how applets work, and possibly some of them (or others who want to learn) have some free time. It strikes me as the kind of thing that possibly the 'mere users' could do, for the sheer sake of it. StrongHelp files seem quite popular with some people, after all :) > > My question here is, is there any way of configuring Ova-P to treat > > my files as Draw files. For example Ova-P can handle tablemate > > files which, like my files, are basically Draw files with tagged > > data. > > Not sure about this one. Other than SetType aff? :) -- I won't use words again May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said places where you must walk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:00 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42089 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:44:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868606975:12:00817:63; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:42:55 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id af1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:42 BST From:(Rupert Thompson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:14:56 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Xtras in Library To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081456.09@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 09:07:18 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 08 Jul, Tim King wrote: > PSsupport; yes, ok. I also have !RJETLib. What does it do? Redundant? Delete? Its used by the Smart Fractions and Russian applets on the Ovation Pro website, and also by the Greek, Critic and EndNotes applets on my website (the one at .cam.ac.uk, not the one at geocities). It has some functions for setting and detecting styles by name, amongst other things, which all of these applets needed, so it seemed sensible to put them in a library rather than replicating the code multiple times. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK Research Fellow in Classics Tel.: 01223-331943 / 0402-130221 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/4423/ http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (during the day) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:02 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42090 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607067:05:12724:52; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:44:27 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ae1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:44 BST From:(Rene Turner) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:15:51 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Ov Pro the Final free Upgrade To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081551.53@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 22:54:39 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 08 Jul, Malcolm Knight wrote: > On Thu 03 Jul, Rene Turner wrote: > > > Oh Good, When where How ????? > > For us poor souls who have yet to receive the free upgrade, could Ian be > sure to announce here when the last one was despatched so that we know when > to start complaining. :-) > > -- > Malcolm Knight Hi Malcolm, well i am pleased to announce that my copy was sent Airmail and arrived at my home in New Zealand Today. Considering how far away i am i think that is pretty good going. Congratulations Beebug, great service, well done. and........ Thank You........... -- May G-d Bless you and Keep you... Ren Turner ... Mailto:renet@wave.co.nz H.I.S. NZ http://www.nzdances.co.nz/hosted/brain/ To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:05 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42091 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607147:05:13081:59; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:45:47 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ah1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:45 BST From:(Andre van den Berg) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:16:49 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.46 anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081649.52@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 14:47:28 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Hello, I'm very happy with the new version of Ovation (finally getting rid of non- RISC OS and underdeveloped Impression and ctrl_C/crtl_v. One thing that puzzles me: I cant get a postscript screen to print in other halftone lpi-figures or dot-formats visible on my HP6M printer (which I could do with Publisher/Publisher+). I don't see any change in the printout.... Met vriendelijke groet / with kind regards, Andre van den Berg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ECD Computers, Patrijsweg 76, 2289 EX Rijswijk, The Netherlands Tel.: +31(0)70 319 4343 - fax: 319 4963 Url: http://www.xs4all.nl/~ecdbv/ e-mail Acorn: ecdbv@xs4all.nl (e-mail PC's: ecd@euronet.nl) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:07 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42092 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607187:06:26943:101; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:46:27 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ai1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:46 BST From:(Julian Wright) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:17:07 +0100 Organization: USS Enterprise, NCC 1701a Subject: Re: Ov Pro the Final free Upgrade To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081707.69@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 00:57:04 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Malcolm Knight writes: > For us poor souls who have yet to receive the free upgrade, could Ian be > sure to announce here when the last one was despatched so that we know when > to start complaining. :-) Well my copy arrived in the mail (airmail) about a week ago, and mail from the UK takes about 6 working days to get here normally. I presume then that Beebug are not sending the upgrades in alphabetical order of surname then! Don't worry Malcolm. If it can get here safely then it can get anywhere. :) Julian -- Math and alcohol don't mix. Don't drink and derive. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:11 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42094 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607218:05:13484:89; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:46:58 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ak1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:46 BST From:(Alan Muscat) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:17:27 +0100 Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts Subject: Re: Ov Pro the Final free Upgrade To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081727.44@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 19:33:52 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970708.084015.50@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > In message <19970703.103412.27@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > On Wed 02 Jul, D.A.Symes wrote: > > > Well... Ovation Pro the last free upgrade has arrived... > > > Some good news and some bad news... > > > > > Oh Good, When where How ????? > > I think mine arrived just 7 days back, maybe another 7 for you? :-( > Unless it's by pigeon? > Well mine arrived today, and I was very happy to wait, the longer the better, I thought (within reason), since by the time mine was mailed out I might get one without all the bugs that keep being mentioned here! -- Alan Muscat **************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:14 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42096 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607224:12:01602:58; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:47:04 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id am1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:46 BST From:(Philip Powell) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:18:05 +0100 Organization: Sharp Edge Subject: Re: Applet menu To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081805.04@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 20:22:25 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970708.083505.29@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I am sure that I am being mind-bogglingly stupid but I have tried everywhere > to find the applets submenu that is supposed to be a new feature at the end > of the main menu. > > What I get is: > File > Edit > View > Text > Style > Object > Page > Misc > > and on the Icon bar: > Info > New > Clipboard > Choices > Documents > Stationery > Quit > > Until I find it I can't use all these nice new features. Help please! > > Colin > Have you remembered to install them into !OvnPro.Applets by copying them from the Extensions directory on the Colour Supplement disc and then re-running !OvnPro? As you can see, the upgrade arrived:-) HTH -- Philip Powell To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:18 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42098 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607238:05:13584:84; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:47:18 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ao1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:47 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:18:40 +0100 Organization: Subject: SuperShift tweek To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081840.97@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 97 02:22:05 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 from private mail; >Just been reading your reply to Roger Darlington (3.7.97) on double >space/capital in SuperShift. Unfortunately I must have missed the >original instructions... Add in !SuprShft.Library.SuprShft after if(suprshft_flag == 1 && key == 32 || key == 13 || key == 394 || key == 2061 || key == 6669) suprshft_flag = 2; else This bit; if(suprshft_flag ==2 && key == 32) suprshft_flag = 2; else David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:20 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42099 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607255:05:13704:44; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:47:35 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aq1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:47 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:42:45 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.084245.99@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:21:27 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970708.094412.44@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > In message <19970708.083839.37@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > Being new to this list, I don't know if this has been mentioned > > before. > > > > If I import a draw file with text in it, the text is displayed but > > does not print. If I 'convert to path' the text and then import > > the file it prints ok. > > This is the font blending problem probably. I've emailed a response > directly. If anyone else new needs the answer then contact me > directly. > Well then maybe not. AsDavid pointed out to me this problem will have gone away with 2.46, so the most likely cause is the Calligraph printer problem. See David's reply for more info. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:23 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42100 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607292:05:13877:47; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:48:12 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id as1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:47 BST From:(Dr. P.N. Young) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:14:35 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.46 bugs and anomalies (saving ignored words) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081435.74@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 97 16:12:46 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Thu 3 Jul 97 (10:34:50 +0100), david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > >From:(Dr. P.N. Young) > >>The subject line really says it all! In 2.37 I never seemed to be able >to >>preserve the tick in the "save ignored words" in the choices > text >box, but >>ignored words got saved. Now, the ticking problem is there, but >ignored words >>don't get saved. :-( Am I doing something wrong, or is there a new >bug there? > >This seems to work for me. I wonder what the catch is? I don't recall >there being any template problem or problem with the button either. > It's *suddenly* started working for me too! (though the tick box in Choices > Text still won't tick). Could it have been a clash with something else I was using, which is not in the boot sequence? If it crops up again I'll try to see what could have been doing it, and report it as a possible clash. Best wishes, Peter Young. -- Peter \ / \ 112,Linden Ave., Prestbury, Cheltenham, Anne \ / __ __ \ Glos. GL52 3DS, England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ +44 (0)1242-520459 James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:25 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42101 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607296:05:13877:116; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:48:16 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id au1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:48 BST From:(Nick Kaijaks) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:15:14 +0100 Organization: Subject: Font menu bug? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081514.08@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:08:45 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Has anyone else experienced problems with font selection using the new (otherwise much better) font menu system in 2.46? Two examples of the sort of problem I've had: Using EFF LondonA as a bodytext font, click the Bold icon on the toolbar, get LondonA.Bold - fine. If I click on the Italic icon though, I get LondonA.DemiBold.Italic! Another example is a font called Mesouran, with Casual, Sans and Serif styles, all of which contain the usual 4 weights (b,i,bi,) within. If my bodystyle uses Mesouran.Sans, then clicking italic gives me Mesouran.Casual.Italic! I've had this sort of mis-selection on a number of fonts. Help! TTFN, Nick -- nick kaijaks >> proprietor >> pinxit design >> putting the solution together the budget sensitive graphic design consultancy for internet and print media http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~phrvn/ mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:28 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42102 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607311:06:27388:83; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:48:31 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aw1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:48 BST From:(Ariancylch) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:16:11 +0100 Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body Subject: Re: Ov Pro the Final free Upgrade To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081611.59@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 01:56:22 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970708.084015.50@risc.demon.co.uk> Peter Bond wrote: > In message <19970703.103412.27@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > On Wed 02 Jul, D.A.Symes wrote: > > > Well... Ovation Pro the last free upgrade has arrived... > > > Some good news and some bad news... > > > > > Oh Good, When where How ????? > > I think mine arrived just 7 days back, maybe another 7 for you? :-( > Unless it's by pigeon? Shouldn't be by pigeon, we got ours about two weeks ago, I think. Must depend on where you are on the list :) (T'was the last time I was around the software acquisition section, and the upgrade was there, so...) -- I won't use words again May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said places where you must walk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:30 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42103 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607364:06:27604:43; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:49:24 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ay1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:48 BST From:(Rob Hemmings) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:17:45 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081745.85@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 97 22:47:20 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Thu 3 Jul 97 (10:34:50 +0100), David Pilling wrote: > > >From:("Roger Darlington") > >>2) In the APPLICATION CHOICES/COLOUR menu - just below the word >>'Typeset' (which is in a writable/selectable window) - the part-word >>'ons' appears. What is this 'ons' option, and why is it so far over >>to the left that this is the only part of the option that appears on >>the screen. Not even the option box for this option appears on the >>screen, so we cannot select it, whatever it is. What is it? > >I think you have some problem specific to your machine or >configuration. >Please talk to Ian about it by private email. > I also seem to have exactly the same problem - should I also e-mail Ian separately? -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:33 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42104 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607373:05:14260:101; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:49:33 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bc1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:49 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:43:04 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.084304.20@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:39:17 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970628.081745.85@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On Thu 3 Jul 97 (10:34:50 +0100), David Pilling wrote: > > > > > >From:("Roger Darlington") > > > > >>2) In the APPLICATION CHOICES/COLOUR menu - just below the word > >>'Typeset' (which is in a writable/selectable window) - the part-word > >>'ons' appears. What is this 'ons' option, and why is it so far over > >>to the left that this is the only part of the option that appears on > >>the screen. Not even the option box for this option appears on the > >>screen, so we cannot select it, whatever it is. What is it? > > > >I think you have some problem specific to your machine or > >configuration. > >Please talk to Ian about it by private email. > > > > I also seem to have exactly the same problem - should I also e-mail Ian > separately? This is just a little untidiness. An icon was moved off to the left of the template and forgotten. It only shows up if you use the system font (or I suppose a wider proportional font). -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:35 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42105 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607375:05:14262:96; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:49:35 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ba1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:49 BST From:(Peter Bond) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:18:22 +0100 Organization: home Subject: Re: iscurrentstyle() ? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081822.88@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 21:21:38 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970708.083738.79@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > In an Applet, I am attempting to determine whether a particular style > > is present on some selected text and am having some difficulty. . . . . . > > between userstyle and currentstyle. What I really need (I think) > > is a function such as - iscurrentstylename(string &name) - that > > returns non-zero if the style identified by &name is current at the > > caret or throughout the selection. > .. . . . > I have > singularly failed to use iscurrentstyle() successfully. Me too! However, I had a very helpdul tip from David and it now appears to be working ok (but don't hold your breath!) The answer appears to be *always* to precede the iscurrentstyle(isit) call with the call for bodytext: iscurrentstyle(0). I need to digest what it does more as yet, but it seems to pick a somewhat peculiar area over which the style is said to be applied. -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:38 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42106 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607439:05:14644:44; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:50:39 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id be1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:49 BST From:(Mr J P Kerslake) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:15:32 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applet menu To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081532.72@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 97 09:54:40 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Re:- From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 9 08:40:17 1997 >From: Colin Mackinlay >Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk >Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:35:05 +0100 >Organization: >Subject: Applet menu >To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L >Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk >X-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 20:45:16 +0100 (BST) >X-Maillist: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS >X-Apparently-From: >X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 >Content-Length: 554 >I am sure that I am being mind-bogglingly stupid but I have tried everywhere >to find the applets submenu that is supposed to be a new feature at the end >of the main menu. >What I get is: >File >Edit >View >Text >Style >Object >Page >Misc When I installed the new version of OP.I did not get the applet menu. I had to re instal it again AND copy the applets into the applet folder BEFORE runing OP for the first time. NB Do not foget to save a backup copy of your dictionary. I Over-wrote mine & It will take me a wile to rebuild it. On my wish list for future upgrades:- (1) Index generator (2) Integrated spellchecker & therasus I am dysliexic So I like to check that I have not spellchecked a missspelling into a different word. (3) Make table mate/or a speradsheet remain active after inplorting into OP. So I can make changes easly. John Percy Kerslake, kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Pager 01426-235878, dysliexia rules k o Sorry My spell checker will not work with my mail package I am writing this at work on a sun To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:42 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42107 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607449:12:02319:45; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:50:49 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bi1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:50 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:18:59 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: More OP 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081859.46@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 97 02:06:19 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R From:(Tim King) >PSsupport; yes, ok. I also have !RJETLib. What does it do? Redundant? Delete? It's part of an applet you once installed. One of the third party ones off the web pages. Guess if you still use the applet you still need it. From:(Colin Mackinlay) >I am sure that I am being mind-bogglingly stupid but I have tried everywhere >to find the applets submenu that is supposed to be a new feature at the end >of the main menu. This will only appear if you have some active applets. That means something in the !OvnPro.Applets directory which is active (does not have a name which ends with a '-'). I think you have to copy some applets there from one of the release discs. From:(Peter Bond) > > I keep thinking that AW is on the way out anyway, I recall doing a lot of > twiddling with the AW applet recently and wondering if there was much point. > Well yes the response is if AW is on the way out, whats going to replace it? Fair point. From my own (unique) point of view, OPro itself would make a good vector drawing package with the addition of a few heavy weight applets. I can't see why someone should have to labour through all the undo/redo, impositon, colour correction etc. etc. stuff again for another program. However given that the OPro graduated fill applet has languished on my hard disc for nearly 12 months now. I would not hold your breath. From:(Matthew Hambley) >Just out of curiosity, how many copies have been sold so far? Approaching 2000 (from below). From:(Ray Dawson) >Ok, the new linked frames in master pages allows me to create a master page >with 24 linked label frames on it. >How can I use Mailmere to drop a CSV file from Datapower into the first frame >and have all the addresses printed on one sheet? I have tried putting >[Merge 1] - [Merge 5] in each label, but all I have managed to do is get it to >print 24 sheets with a different address in the first label position. There are two conflicting approaches here. On the one hand you have mailmerge, which won't solve your problem. On the other, the technique of constructing a document which has 24 labels on each page, and dropping your addresses into it, in such a way that each label frame gets one address, and you print the document once, producing a number of sheets of labels. This second approach is quite good. I used to use it with Ovation 1, and people had been unhappy that it was not possible with OPro. As you point out, it is now. The catch of course is getting a CSV file into the right format. (I saw this explained on csa by an angry fellow (aren't they all?)). It's actually in the release notes with 2.45. You edit the CSV (better TSV) file so the lines of the addresses are split by line feeds, and the records by code 12's (form feeds) - the latter force a new frame. It would be easy to write a transloader which would allow transparent conversion from CSV to the required format. From:(Nick Day) >How does one Find and Replace styles and effects? It was/is simple in >Impression . . . you know-- Yep, good idea. On the todo list. I suppose (and I'm leading you astray here) you save the document as DDL and then use a copy of Edit on it. Requoting yourself in OPro format; Finding: {tab}/n"Rhubarb and Replacing with: {tab}{bold 1}"RHUBARB"{bold 0}" Can be done, not pretty though. From:(Terry Worton) >If I import a draw file with text in it, the text is displayed but >does not print. If I 'convert to path' the text and then import >the file it prints ok. If you're using a Caligraph printer, get the fontfix module off my web site (at the end). Otherwise, tell me more. >Is there a way of generating a mail merge file and then not printing >it? Not sure I understand this. You can't do what you can in Impression, and step through the mail merge records. Yet another for the todo list (along with Impulse support). From:(Peter Bond) >Erm, looking throught the new list of functions I see that there are >two versions of 'papercount' on pages 13 and 14 with different >numbers of arguments - is this actually right? I think (hope) one of those is a function prototype, i.e. you provide a function which has those parameters and returns that value, but is called something else (mypapercount()) and the other is a real function which OPro provides. From:(David Graddol) >Is there a half-way method, whereby OVPro could look to see whether an >AW file contained a spot colour with the same name as one already >defined within the OVPro document and assumed it should appear >on the same separation. That way all document separations would be >defined by the OVPro colours, but it would still be possible to output >separations with AW files. Yes, good suggestion. >Will OVPro learn how to import EPS files? Yes, high priority, and unfortunate that we didn't push the colour supplement that little bit further. From:(OvationPro Mailing List) >I have singularly failed to use iscurrentstyle() successfully. Ah well. Sorry about this, but if you call this with an index of zero, it will build its data structures, and then a call with another value will then work. Non-obvious, non-documented... This is the way the menus work (call with zero first). Roger Darlington >In effect, printing out a 1000-colour tint >chart on our own printers enables us to calibrate or cross-correlate >the on-screen colours to the printed colours. Yes this is a good idea. There's a neat little program waiting to be written that takes a colour chart and turns it into DDL, which you can then load and print. Either that or someone with a lot of patience to click a few 1000 times. I'd rather put the effort into adding global colour correction which would allow you to get the right colours on ink jets etc. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 11 13:45:45 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42108 for david ; Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:45:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 868607475:12:02319:137; Fri, 11 Jul 97 08:51:15 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bg1505717; 11 Jul 97 8:50 BST From:(Ariancylch) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:16:31 +0100 Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body Subject: Re: import, export, numbering .. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970628.081631.08@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 02:00:47 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970703.134304.27@risc.demon.co.uk> Ian MacDougall wrote: > In message <19970703.103205.98@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > Having used it for a few hours I was disappointed to discover that > > 1) I cannot export RTF format. I haven't had a look at the applet info, but perhaps someone who has could comment on whether it'd be at all feasible to do this sort of thing with an applet? > > 2) No facility for automatic referencing / number region. > > 3) No documention provided on how to go about writing your own > > applets. > > All of those things are correct except we do document all of the > script language functions and provide some extensive examples. > Whilst more documentation would be great it is unlikely to happen > in the near future. A series of articles in Risc User would be > a possibility. There appears to be a few people here that have some idea about how applets work, and possibly some of them (or others who want to learn) have some free time. It strikes me as the kind of thing that possibly the 'mere users' could do, for the sheer sake of it. StrongHelp files seem quite popular with some people, after all :) > > My question here is, is there any way of configuring Ova-P to treat > > my files as Draw files. For example Ova-P can handle tablemate > > files which, like my files, are basically Draw files with tagged > > data. > > Not sure about this one. Other than SetType aff? :) -- I won't use words again May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said places where you must walk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 17 13:35:14 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42473 for david ; Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:35:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869125915:06:07813:46; Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:51:55 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id at0607341; 17 Jul 97 8:51 BST From:(John M Ward) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:30:26 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Grammar Checking To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970715.083026.06@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 10:18:13 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 08 Jul, John Clegg wrote: > On Tue 1 Jul 97 (15:25:03 +0100), df.symes@argonet.co.uk wrote: > > > > MS Word for Windows 6 has a rather amusing grammer checking facility... > Lets walk before we run - isn't that grammar! Yes; and isn't that "Let's"? :-> (Lets are what landlords provide, I believe.) -- John M Ward. * * * AcornCode v1.00 * * * A2 rpc6sa/S2g/I420m/48+2 ro++++/tv/sp !BB ed+++ dk !nl EC+ pc-- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 17 13:35:16 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42474 for david ; Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:35:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869125926:12:14463:43; Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:52:06 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id av0607341; 17 Jul 97 8:51 BST From:(Mr T J Chubb) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:31:24 +0100 Organization: Subject: Upside-down pictures To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970715.083124.85@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 97 14:22:11 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I think this has been dealt with but unfortunately I must have deleted the email! My pictures (in this case, a simple Draw image)are printed upside down. I am using v2.46 with turbodrivers. Many thanks, Tom C. -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 17 13:35:19 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42475 for david ; Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:35:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869125927:12:14479:46; Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:52:07 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aj0607341; 17 Jul 97 8:52 BST From:(David Williams) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:33:20 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970715.083320.46@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 97 19:29:52 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 8 Jul 97 (09:44:12 +0100), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: >This is the font blending problem probably. I've emailed a response >directly. If anyone else new needs the answer then contact me >directly. > I also have problems with this using a chess font in a letter head done on Draw. Help appreciated. -- ___________________________________________________________________ Dave Williams is davew@argonet.co.uk and uses Acorn machines. ___________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 17 13:35:21 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42476 for david ; Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:35:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869125983:06:08089:61; Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:53:03 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ax0607341; 17 Jul 97 8:52 BST From:(Rob Hemmings) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:34:38 +0100 Organization: Subject: Is this a 2.46 bug? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970715.083438.04@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 97 22:37:06 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R If you are editing a colour using the CMYK model and you click select on one of the sliders in the Colour Choice window, the window closes. This makes it rather difficult to use the sliders! Or have I missed something? -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 17 13:35:23 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42477 for david ; Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:35:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869125985:06:08122:43; Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:53:05 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id az0607341; 17 Jul 97 8:52 BST From:(Carl Cepurneek) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:34:57 +0100 Organization: Subject: Bullets To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970715.083457.87@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 15:17:47 +0930 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 DP wrote: >We've had some good suggestions on indexing, it might be interesting >to hear what would be desirable for the above. Yes please for bullets. IIRC even old ArcDraw had them! Crazy idea - could you make it possible to have a small graphic frame, rather than just a special font character, be a bullet? Oh, look; little multi coloured shaded buttons just like on the web pages! cpc To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 17 13:35:26 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42478 for david ; Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:35:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869125985:05:14973:47; Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:53:05 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bb0607341; 17 Jul 97 8:52 BST From:(Rupert Thompson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:36:19 +0100 Organization: Subject: End-Notes Applet To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970715.083619.41@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 15:27:30 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 If you tried to download the endnotes applet from my website on Fri 11th July 1997, you probably failed because I'd put it in the wrong place. I've set about myself with birch twigs, and corrected the blunder. So if you want endnotes in Ovatio Pro, go to http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/sware/ -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK Research Fellow in Classics Tel.: 01223-331943 / 0402-130221 http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (during the day) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 17 13:35:29 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42479 for david ; Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:35:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869126009:12:14762:77; Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:53:29 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bd0607341; 17 Jul 97 8:53 BST From:(Peter Bond) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:31:05 +0100 Organization: home Subject: Re: Mail merge To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970715.083105.14@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:18:11 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970708.094449.03@risc.demon.co.uk> you (Ian MacD) wrote: > In message <19970708.083937.80@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > Is there a way of generating a mail merge file and then not printing > > it? > > > > Previously I used Advance and I always selected 'Edit' so that I could > > keep a file copy of of all merged documents. > > Not that I'm aware of. > But it would be *very* useful - getting a mail merge right in the early stages wastes a great deal of paper! -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 17 13:35:32 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42481 for david ; Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:35:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869126018:12:14762:144; Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:53:38 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bf0607341; 17 Jul 97 8:53 BST From:(Peter Bond) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:31:42 +0100 Organization: home Subject: Re: Finding styles & effects To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970715.083142.96@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:19:39 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970708.094507.76@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > In message <19970708.084211.95@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > How does one Find and Replace styles and effects? It was/is simple in > > Impression . . . you know-- > > > > Finding: {tab}Rhubarb > > > > and Replacing with: > > > > {tab}{Bold on}RHUBARB{Bold} > > > > -- works fine in Impression and is something I use a lot. Can't find > > anything equivalent in the Ovation manual. > > > > Thanks for the new version its terrific but I can't use it for one major job > > till I can do the above! > > There is no built in way to do this. Peter Bond has been talking earlier > about writing an applet to do this. > Erm, yes - it would be useful; later perhaps. ATM it's becoming an Index applet. -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 17 13:35:37 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42482 for david ; Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:35:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869126046:06:08407:43; Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:54:06 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bh0607341; 17 Jul 97 8:53 BST From:(Alan Esplen) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:32:02 +0100 Organization: Subject: Crop marks/Tool box To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970715.083202.90@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 97 14:27:48 +0100 ( + ) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Can anybody help a new user of OVPro version 2.43 1. When I load a recently created document the tool box disappears. I hav= e the toolbox options ticked. This document differs in only one way from others in that= I have rotated frames of text. When I load any other document then click on a frame of = the errant document the new document also loses its toolbox. 2. Is it possible to put crop marks around frames as in Publisher Plus. = For example, When I have business cards several times up on an A4 sheet, the printer requires= crop marks to individually guillotine them after printing. I know there are options for= Border definitions in the file of that name the problem is I am a Graphic Designer not a software = engineer. Any answers please. Alan Esplen a.esplen@btinternet.com To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 17 13:35:42 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42484 for david ; Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:35:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869126053:05:15300:43; Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:54:13 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bj0607341; 17 Jul 97 8:54 BST From:(David Graddol) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:35:19 +0100 Organization: The English Co UK Ltd Subject: Re: Font menu bug? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970715.083519.13@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:22:48 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970628.081514.08@risc.demon.co.uk> Nick Kaijaks wrote: > Has anyone else experienced problems with font selection using the new > (otherwise much better) font menu system in 2.46? > Glad you mentioned that - I was just going to post about it. I have the same problem. When italic style is selected it gives me the italic for the wrong weight. The info bar at the bottom only gives the first term in the font name - didn't it used to give the whole thing? I have numerous weights of Gillsans and I really need to know whether it is 'regular' 'light', 'display', 'book' or whatever. It's a real pain having to follow it right through the menu tree to be sure (a frequent occurence given the italic font problem!). David To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 17 13:35:44 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42485 for david ; Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:35:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869126123:05:15572:46; Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:55:23 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bn0607341; 17 Jul 97 8:54 BST From:( Dr A G Gray) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:37:55 +0100 Organization: Subject: The 'smudging' and (most of) the line flicker have gone To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970715.083755.88@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 97 22:03:37 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I commented in very early days about the flickering of each line while typing. This appears much improved (on S/A RiscPC) and only intermittent after the update. And the 'smudging' caused by bits of alti-aliasing getting left behind in redraws has gone entirely. Since nobody else has mentioned it: well done! ---------------------------------------------- Now how do I prevent the Style Palette and Colour Palette re-ticking themselves on the Applets menu and appearing with the default document when restarting OP? -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 17 13:35:47 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42486 for david ; Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:35:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869126123:05:15575:43; Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:55:23 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bl0607341; 17 Jul 97 8:54 BST From:(Mr S Pampling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:37:37 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Ov Pro the Final free Upgrade To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970715.083737.21@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 97 22:36:34 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 8 Jul 97 (09:43:16 +0100), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: >In message <19970708.083603.40@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: >> On Thu 03 Jul, Rene Turner wrote: >> > Oh Good, When where How ????? >> For us poor souls who have yet to receive the free upgrade, could Ian >> be sure to announce here when the last one was despatched so that we >> know when to start complaining. :-) >Here is a big stick please hit me with it. >We should have most of the upgrades sent out by the end of the >week. Spirit of fairness, I've got the upgrade, hand me the stick, I'll hang on to it , and beat you if we don't like it... (I think you're safe) SteveP -- steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk or camra@argonet.co.uk for CAMRA items ZFC A * Campaign for Real Ale, Warwickshire Area Organiser * To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 17 13:35:49 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42487 for david ; Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:35:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869126125:06:08691:61; Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:55:25 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id br0607341; 17 Jul 97 8:55 BST From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:30:06 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Grammer Checking To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970715.083006.75@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 97 21:23:20 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 8 Jul 97 (08:34:46 +0100), colin@mackinlay.demon.co.uk wrote: > On Tue 01 Jul, D.A.Symes wrote: > > > MS Word for Windows 6 has a rather amusing grammer checking > facility... :-) > > Looks like you could use a spell (spall?) checker too!! > > Colin Indeed... spelling mistakes and typo's are like bugs in a bit of software, there's always some left....leading to, that which Grammar checkers nag about constantly. Additionally, very few Email writers (the applications, not the people), have any spell checking facilities. By the way, I have a friend with a Northern Ireland accent, who informs it should be spull chucker. :-)) Cheers Dave or is that Doive? ;-) -- _________________________________________________________________________ ....ARGONET /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines.... Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... Don't do today, what you can put off until tomorrow. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 17 13:35:52 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42488 for david ; Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:35:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869126127:05:15577:54; Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:55:27 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bs0607341; 17 Jul 97 8:55 BST From:(Nick Kaijaks) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:32:21 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Mail merge To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970715.083221.23@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:21:46 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Ian MacDougall wrote: > > Is there a way of generating a mail merge file and then not printing > > it? > > > > Previously I used Advance and I always selected 'Edit' so that I could > > keep a file copy of of all merged documents. > > Not that I'm aware of. Perhaps another thing for the wish list here - it can be very useful to mail merge to a document, so that you can make the odd amendment, or postscript to individuals. By the way, *HUGE* applause for the colour supplement (finally arrived yesterday) - it's *so* nice being able to process images within OPro, especially little things like duotones between spot colours, and individual image screening. The palettes for styles etc are very cute too. It's good to see how *much* you can do in an applet - I haven't looked at imposition yet! Cheers, Nick -- nick kaijaks >> proprietor >> pinxit design >> putting the solution together the budget sensitive graphic design consultancy for internet and print media http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~phrvn/ mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 17 13:35:54 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42489 for david ; Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:35:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869126157:12:15244:47; Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:55:57 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bp0607341; 17 Jul 97 8:54 BST From:(John Hollier) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:38:35 +0100 Organization: Subject: OV-PRO Spellcheck, etc To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970715.083835.89@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 12:58:16 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 To Beebug Date Fri,11 Jul 1997 Subject OV-PRO Spellcheck, etc I have a blank file with letter headings ready set which I call up when required. I notice that the red underlining of spelling errors does not function on this document, although 'check document', etc work OK. I do have check as you type ticked. Can you explain please? Can you also explain how to get the !Speak application. I couldn't find an applet !Help file as mentioned on page 13 of the Applets update booklet. Thanks. -- John Hollier john@thirteen.demon.co.uk Canterbury Kent UK To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 17 13:35:56 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42490 for david ; Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:35:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869126178:12:15277:53; Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:56:18 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bu0607341; 17 Jul 97 8:55 BST From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:32:41 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Grammer Checking To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970715.083241.29@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Jul 97 21:26:40 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 8 Jul 97 (08:34:26 +0100), jclegg@argonet.co.uk wrote: > On Tue 1 Jul 97 (15:25:03 +0100), df.symes@argonet.co.uk wrote: > > > > MS Word for Windows 6 has a rather amusing grammer checking > facility... > Lets walk before we run - isn't that grammar! > John > Indeed... spelling mistakes and typo's are like bugs in a bit of software, there's always some left....leading to, that which Grammar checkers nag about constantly. Additionally, very few Email writers (the applications, not the people), have any spell checking facilities. By the way, I have a friend with a Northern Ireland accent, who informs it should be spull chucker. :-)) Cheers Dave -- _________________________________________________________________________ ....ARGONET /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines.... Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... Don't do today, what you can put off until tomorrow. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 17 13:35:59 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42491 for david ; Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:35:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869126181:12:15253:90; Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:56:21 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bw0607341; 17 Jul 97 8:55 BST From:(Richard Hallas) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:33:01 +0100 Organization: KeyNote Music Typesetting Subject: Re: 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970715.083301.25@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:40:29 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970708.094412.44@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > In message <19970708.083839.37@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > Being new to this list, I don't know if this has been mentioned > > before. > > > > If I import a draw file with text in it, the text is displayed but > > does not print. If I 'convert to path' the text and then import > > the file it prints ok. > > This is the font blending problem probably. I've emailed a response > directly. If anyone else new needs the answer then contact me > directly. Or it may be the problem (exhibited by several applications, not just O-Pro) that prevents text in Draw files from printing on certain printers (notably Calligraph ones) when dynamic areas are used by the program in question. David Pilling has written an excellent FontFix module which works around the bug. You can download it from his Web page: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/index.html -- Richard -=-=-=- Richard G. Hallas * Author of "Charges" * Editor of RISC User magazine Proprietor of KeyNote: Music Typesetting & General Desktop Publishing E-mail: Richard@hallas.demon.co.uk * Telephone/Facsimile: 01484 460280 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 17 13:36:02 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42492 for david ; Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:36:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869126189:06:08978:43; Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:56:29 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id by0607341; 17 Jul 97 8:56 BST From:(Peter Bond) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:35:39 +0100 Organization: home Subject: Re: More OP 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970715.083539.40@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 10:05:42 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970628.081859.46@risc.demon.co.uk> you (DP) wrote: > >Is there a way of generating a mail merge file and then not printing > >it? > > Not sure I understand this. What I would like is to be able to generate the file in OvPro format so that I can look at it and see if I've got it right and not print 100 sheets of paper to discover that it's wrong! > > > From:(Peter Bond) > > >Erm, looking throught the new list of functions I see that there are > >two versions of 'papercount' on pages 13 and 14 with different > >numbers of arguments - is this actually right? > > I think (hope) one of those is a function prototype, i.e. you provide > a function which has those parameters and returns that value, > but is called something else (mypapercount()) and the other is > a real function which OPro provides. > I doesn't look much like it. > Incidentally Ian, this collection of mails arrived today, 11th July, dated 28th June. It included one of mine which was sent 9th July. Something clever has happened somewhere! -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 17 13:36:04 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42493 for david ; Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:36:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869126196:05:15874:57; Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:56:36 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ca0607341; 17 Jul 97 8:56 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:36:39 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: More OP 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970715.083639.08@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 97 16:28:50 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R From:(Andre van den Berg) >One thing that puzzles me: I cant get a postscript screen to print in >other halftone lpi-figures or dot-formats visible on my HP6M printer >(which I could do with Publisher/Publisher+). I don't see any change in the >printout.... This I suspect is because these features are only active on colour separations. (somebody assumed they were of no interest otherwise). From:(Nick Kaijaks) >Has anyone else experienced problems with font selection using the new >(otherwise much better) font menu system in 2.46? >Using EFF LondonA as a bodytext font, click the Bold icon on the toolbar, >get LondonA.Bold - fine. If I click on the Italic icon though, I get >LondonA.DemiBold.Italic! In the new scheme there is an algorithm which determines which of the font weights will be 'italic' - the special weights (italic, bold, normal and italic+bold) are separated off. Alas it seems the way I've done it does not meet everyones idea of what is correct. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 17 13:36:07 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42494 for david ; Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:36:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869126235:12:15582:44; Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:57:15 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id cc0607341; 17 Jul 97 8:56 BST From:(Mr S Pampling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:37:18 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: import, export, numbering .. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970715.083718.57@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 97 22:26:53 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 8 Jul 97 (08:42:49 +0100), David Pilling wrote: > >From:(Mr Stephen Brown) > >>2) No facility for automatic referencing / number region. > >I think a big decision for the near future is whether we do bulleting >etc. The program as it stands has almost all the code for auto >bullets/auto numbering in it. Getting this working is the key to >contents generation. Ah, you mean activate the code already in the menus files etc? No doubt many know that it does funny things if you edit a dde file to add bullet info (well you gotta do aintcha?) >We've had some good suggestions on indexing, it might be interesting >to hear what would be desirable for the above. Ah, yes, indexes - definately the code already in there. One question :- how do you spell hack? and a ps - wouldn't mind bea testing the bulet contents version. PPS Fixed the drop caps alignment yet? -- steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk or camra@argonet.co.uk for CAMRA items ZFC A * Campaign for Real Ale, Warwickshire Area Organiser * To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 17 13:36:09 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42495 for david ; Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:36:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869126241:06:08877:60; Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:57:21 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ce0607341; 17 Jul 97 8:56 BST From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:38:15 +0100 Organization: Subject: Upgraded to Style problem To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970715.083815.33@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 97 15:36:45 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Hi, I have a style problem that has ocurred with the upgrade from 2.36 to 2.46, and I'll use my Envelope template file to illustrate the problem. In V2.36, my envelope template has text set in the Style for it, as 14 point Bold. When I dragged an address into it, or cut and pasted to it, the inserted address appeared as 14 point Bold text. (I've reloaded 2.36 to recheck this). With V2.46 the inserted text continues as (say) 12 point Trinity, my document default text. Why is this not changing to 14 point Bold as it did in V2.36? After all this is the same template file transfered from 2.36 into 2.46. If I Save the address out as a text file, then drag it into the Envelope template the text changes to 14 point Bold. If I drag the Text Save Icon directly from the Ov Pro Save window to my envelope template, the text automatically changes to 14 point bold. Any thoughts please! Dave -- _________________________________________________________________________ ....ARGONET /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines.... Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... Don't do today, what you can put off until tomorrow. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 17 13:36:12 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42496 for david ; Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:36:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869126249:06:08877:134; Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:57:29 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id cg0607341; 17 Jul 97 8:57 BST From:(Malcolm Knight) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:38:56 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Font menu bug? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970715.083856.41@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 13:49:52 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Sat 28 Jun, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > Has anyone else experienced problems with font selection using the new > (otherwise much better) font menu system in 2.46? > > Two examples of the sort of problem I've had: > > Using EFF LondonA as a bodytext font, click the Bold icon on the toolbar, > get LondonA.Bold - fine. If I click on the Italic icon though, I get > LondonA.DemiBold.Italic! > > Another example is a font called Mesouran, with Casual, Sans and Serif > styles, all of which contain the usual 4 weights (b,i,bi,) within. > If my bodystyle uses Mesouran.Sans, then clicking italic gives me > Mesouran.Casual.Italic! For LondonA rename your Expert fonts as Xpert. I had the same problem as you until David P pointed me in the right direction and I was able to find this fix. I suppose something similar will work with your other 'funny' fonts. -- Malcolm Knight To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 17 13:36:15 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42497 for david ; Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:36:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869126257:06:08877:199; Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:57:37 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ci0607341; 17 Jul 97 8:57 BST From:(David J Fairweather) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:33:40 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: import, export, numbering .. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970715.083340.46@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:39:12 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 08 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > > From:(Mr Stephen Brown) > > >2) No facility for automatic referencing / number region. > > I think a big decision for the near future is whether we do bulleting > etc. The program as it stands has almost all the code for auto bullets/auto > numbering in it. Getting this working is the key to contents generation. > > We've had some good suggestions on indexing, it might be interesting > to hear what would be desirable for the above. > snip If by this David means auto paragraph numbering e.g. 1 Heading one a) sub one b) sub two i) sub sub one 2 Heading two a) sub another one etc., complete with the ability to promote or demote paragraphs then I vote for it right now. I am often called upon to write reports and this is one feature missing from OP that I definitely need. Otherwise I will have to continue to use Msoft under Windoze - not something I want to do! ( of course I am secretly hoping that someone will come back and say "haven't you tried xxxx to do this?" -- David J Fairweather - Director of Operations, Europe. davef@cbslontd.demon.uk Snail to: CBS News 68 Knightsbridge Bowater House (0171-887-3000) London SW1X 7LL ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are personal and do not represent the views or opinions of Westinghouse, CBS News or any other Division of CBS. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 17 13:36:17 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42498 for david ; Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:36:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869126269:05:16203:45; Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:57:49 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id cj0607341; 17 Jul 97 8:57 BST From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:33:58 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Mailmerge and labels To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970715.083358.84@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 97 16:56:34 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 8 Jul 97 (09:43:35 +0100), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: >> Ok, the new linked frames in master pages allows me to create a >> master page with 24 linked label frames on it. >> How can I use Mailmere to drop a CSV file from Datapower into the >> first frame and have all the addresses printed on one sheet? I have tried >> putting [Merge 1] - [Merge 5] in each label, but all I have managed to do is >> get it to print 24 sheets with a different address in the first label >> position. >Is this what you want, from the ReadMe: >If you wish to import data e.g. names and address from a file, the data >needs to be formatted correctly first. Each field should be separated >by a Line Feed (0x0A) and each record by a CLS (0x0C). If your data is in >CSV format, then you will need to convert your file before it is >imported (using !Edit for example). No, I want the mailmerge, which uses CSV files, to be able to take a series of CSV addresses and drop them into merge tags, producing a series of filled merged frames and not the same one on umpteen bits of paper. It should be easy to do and is a fairly standard way or working with any WP/DTP package. In other words, to act like an (Acorn) industry standard ;-) The way you outlined above is not for merge files, but to allow a plain text file to spread between linked frames on a master page. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 17 13:36:20 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42499 for david ; Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:36:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869126328:05:16434:48; Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:58:48 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id cn0607341; 17 Jul 97 8:58 BST From:(Anthony Hilton) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:36:00 +0100 Organization: Subject: RE: Font menu bug? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970715.083600.11@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 97 13:40:00 bst X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I have also seen this with the EFF LondonA set. I assume that the font names are sorted alphabetically and the italic switch looks for the first occurrence ending ".italic" regardless of whether the preceding string is different from the original font. The workaround is to set a selection or word style for italic in which you specify the font as LondonA.italic instead of LondonA with the italic switch, assign a keystroke and use that instead of {CS_I}. I haven't checked, does it matter which font you start from? For example does trying to change LondonA.Expert to LondonA.Expert.italic also give LondonA.Demibold.italic, or does the search start from the current font, and so find LondonA.Expert.italic? (I cannot check at present, I use a PC at work) Anthony J Hilton ---------- Has anyone else experienced problems with font selection using the new (otherwise much better) font menu system in 2.46? Two examples of the sort of problem I've had: Using EFF LondonA as a bodytext font, click the Bold icon on the toolbar, get LondonA.Bold - fine. If I click on the Italic icon though, I get LondonA.DemiBold.Italic! Another example is a font called Mesouran, with Casual, Sans and Serif styles, all of which contain the usual 4 weights (b,i,bi,) within. If my bodystyle uses Mesouran.Sans, then clicking italic gives me Mesouran.Casual.Italic! I've had this sort of mis-selection on a number of fonts. Help! TTFN, Nick To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 17 13:36:23 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42500 for david ; Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:36:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869126335:05:16448:52; Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:58:55 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id cl0607341; 17 Jul 97 8:58 BST From:(Rob Hemmings) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:34:18 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: More OP 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970715.083418.35@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 97 21:43:46 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 8 Jul 97 (08:35:24 +0100), David Pilling wrote: >X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 >From:(Dr. P.N. Young) > >>Particularly the underlining of spelt >>words, even though this does seem to do odd things at times! (Opening >>some documents with this chosen sometimes has everything underlined in red >>till the text is scrolled up and down). A boon to those like me who can't >>spell or type! > >There's a bug here which I have just fixed. If you have a document >which has no dictionaries loaded for it, and you attempt to use spell >checking, then the default dictionaries are added to the document. But, and >this is the catch the table counting how many documents are using a given >dictionary is not updated. So when a further document is loaded or closed the >dictionary being used for the real time spell checking may be flushed >from memory. > >Putting this into useful advice - if you always have dictionaries >loaded for your documents, this feature will behave. Is there a way of doing this for new documents? I've tried saving a new default document with the dictionaries loaded but this does not seem to help. Alternatively, how do we get the fixed version ;-) ? -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 17 13:36:26 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42501 for david ; Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:36:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869126358:12:16024:60; Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:59:18 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ah0607341; 17 Jul 97 8:58 BST From:(Richard Barrass) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:30:46 +0100 Organization: Lucent Technologies Subject: Re: Networking O-Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970715.083046.41@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:54:51 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C79D2459159031609079BBD4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ian MacDougall wrote: > In message <19970708.083543.26@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > Does anyone have any experience of using O-Pro on a peer to peer > Access > > network? > > > > I need to update our office system of two Acorns (with possibly a > third soon) > > and I am concerned about the same file being loded on two machines > and how we > > keep both copies up to date. > > The program certainly works across an Access network, however there > is no automatic way of locking files when they are in use by a > program. You could lock the file or move it to an unshared position > whilst you work on it to stop others modifying it. Here at work, we use FrameMaker5... I wouldn't say it's a brilliant piece of software, but it does have a number of powerful features. The auto-mumbering of headings etc, and it's 'book' functionality. But back to the point here - Frame does create a '.lck' file containing details of the user who opened the file. This file is checked whenever Frame attempts to open the file, therefore informing the user trying to open the document for the second time that 'so-and-so' has the file open for edit. Perhaps something like this (and the numbering functionality) could be implemented in OvPro - perhaps by an applet Richard -- Richard Barrass Bsc. CCS AA Group & Lucent Tools and Computing Environment Group. Tel: 01666 833605 (int.: +44 1666 833605) mailto:rbarrass@lucent.com Web: http://ns.uk.lucent.com/~rbarrass/ --------------C79D2459159031609079BBD4 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Richard Barrass Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Richard Barrass n: Barrass;Richard org: Lucent Technologies email;internet: rbarrass@lucent.com title: CCS Software Engineer x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: TRUE end: vcard --------------C79D2459159031609079BBD4-- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jul 17 13:36:29 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42502 for david ; Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:36:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869126369:12:16024:136; Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:59:29 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id cq0607341; 17 Jul 97 8:59 BST From: ian_palmer@ilink.demon.co.uk Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:36:59 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re[2]: import, export, numbering .. Also WordHound support To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970715.083659.52@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 97 16:28:06 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R From: David Pilling > I think a big decision for the near future is whether we do bulleting > etc. The program as it stands has almost all the code for auto bullets/auto > numbering in it. Getting this working is the key to contents generation. Yes please. In my opionion (for what it is worth) the biggest failing of OvationPro (and for that matter Impression whatever) is the lack of support for not only numbered lists (inc. bulleting) but also support for sections, sub-sections, sub-sub-sections, etc. Along with this is support for cross-references to these items (ie. you insert a reference to section 1.2.3 and then insert a new sub-section and the reference updates itself). Without these functions products can never be considered as choices for producing any large document (there was no way I could use Impression, the only real choice at the time, for my thesis 'wot I done' several years ago - thus I was forced to use LaTeX (which I still see as the definative method of producing technical text - once you've spent enough time learning how to use it). At work (using Word 97 on NT4, spit spit) the most useful feature I find is its support for sections and lists (although it has a problem (unlike LaTeX) with sub-lists) (even if the application itself crashes daily and has problems with printing double sided correctly). Also, the new underlining of spelling errors is nice - however is it possible to reduce the thickness of the underline (it is a little bold)... On another matter - someone (I forget who, I've lost the original message) was commenting on WordHound with OvationPro. There is no hotlink between OvationPro and WordHound (as an aside there was never a link between Ovation and WordHound - I did send off (some years ago) to beebug for details of how the link between Ovation and their thesaurus worked but in reply I received an advert for Ovation (very useful) so I could impliment a link (I gave up at this point). Linking to OvationPro is more possible (even without help from Beebug ;-)) once I've had time to look applets and also have time to impliment a like :-) (this could take some time.....) Ian To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 18 14:17:15 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42571 for david ; Fri, 18 Jul 97 14:17:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869211863:12:07631:69; Fri, 18 Jul 97 08:44:23 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id af0704494; 18 Jul 97 8:44 BST From:(Rupert Thompson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:44:03 +0100 Organization: Subject: More font trouble To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970718.084403.68@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 20:04:54 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In the Times family, I have fonts called .ClassGreek, .Phonetic, .Cyrillic and .Dotted. If I'm in, say Times.Cyrillic and I turn on Italic, I actually get Times.ClassGreek.Italic. So it's a worse problem than just having oddly named weights. You can't assume that all fonts in the same family are the same script ... -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/4423/ http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (during the day) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 18 14:17:17 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42572 for david ; Fri, 18 Jul 97 14:17:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869211869:05:17310:45; Fri, 18 Jul 97 08:44:29 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ah0704494; 18 Jul 97 8:44 BST From:(Anthony Hilton) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:41:28 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Font menu bug? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970718.084128.81@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 97 11:05:00 bst X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Nick Kaijaks wrote: >> Has anyone else experienced problems with font selection using the new >> (otherwise much better) font menu system in 2.46? >> >> Using EFF LondonA as a bodytext font, click the Bold icon on the toolbar, >> get LondonA.Bold - fine. If I click on the Italic icon though, I get >> LondonA.DemiBold.Italic! >> In response Malcolm Knight wrote: > >For LondonA rename your Expert fonts as Xpert. I had the same problem as you >until David P pointed me in the right direction and I was able to find this >fix. I suppose something similar will work with your other 'funny' fonts. > OK as a fix for the Expert fonts, but still doesn't get round the problem with Demibold which is a different weight of the standard character set. I suppose we could rename it Semibold but I would much prefer the font handling to do it properly. Anthony ajh@yco.leeds.ac.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 18 14:17:21 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42573 for david ; Fri, 18 Jul 97 14:17:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869211888:12:07733:94; Fri, 18 Jul 97 08:44:48 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aj0704494; 18 Jul 97 8:44 BST From:(Peter Bond) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:42:07 +0100 Organization: home Subject: Re: import, export, numbering .. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970718.084207.22@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 10:16:04 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970715.083340.46@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On Tue 08 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > > > > From:(Mr Stephen Brown) > > > > >2) No facility for automatic referencing / number region. > > . . . . . > > snip > > If by this David means auto paragraph numbering e.g. > > 1 Heading one > a) sub one > b) sub two > i) sub sub one > > 2 Heading two > a) sub another one > How is that indentation done? Is it with various numbers of tabs or is it several styles with different left margins? 'Cos it makes a difference! What I really mean, of course, is "how would you *want* to use it?" -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 18 14:17:23 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42574 for david ; Fri, 18 Jul 97 14:17:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869211931:06:10621:43; Fri, 18 Jul 97 08:45:31 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id al0704494; 18 Jul 97 8:44 BST From:(Peter Bond) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:42:25 +0100 Organization: home Subject: Re: More OP 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970718.084225.82@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 10:19:56 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970715.083539.40@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > In message <19970628.081859.46@risc.demon.co.uk> you (DP) wrote: > > > > > I think (hope) one of those is a function prototype, i.e. you provide > > a function which has those parameters and returns that value, > > but is called something else (mypapercount()) and the other is > > a real function which OPro provides. > > > I doesn't look much like it. > > Apologies! I hadn't looked back over sufficient pages and disentangled the references (in other words it was someone else's fault!). -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 18 14:17:25 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42575 for david ; Fri, 18 Jul 97 14:17:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869211942:12:07944:43; Fri, 18 Jul 97 08:45:42 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id an0704494; 18 Jul 97 8:45 BST From:(R.I. Scott) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:43:44 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Re[2]: import, export, numbering .. Also WordHound support To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970718.084344.94@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 97 00:06:12 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 15 Jul 97 (08:36:59 +0100), ian_palmer@ilink.demon.co.uk, ian_palmer@ilink.demon.co.uk wrote: About bullets ... > Yes please. In my opionion (for what it is worth) the biggest failing > of OvationPro (and for that matter Impression whatever) is the lack of > support for not only numbered lists (inc. bulleting) but also support > for sections, sub-sections, sub-sub-sections, etc. Another big yes please .... erm ... !Impression Publisher *does* have this facility ... and very useful it is! Also indexing is IMO a major omission in what is in most ways a far more impressive program than IP .. Scotty To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 18 14:17:29 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42577 for david ; Fri, 18 Jul 97 14:17:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869211981:12:08004:104; Fri, 18 Jul 97 08:46:21 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ae0704494; 18 Jul 97 8:46 BST From:(Alan Esplen) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:40:49 +0100 Organization: Subject: Printing and 2.46 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970718.084049.91@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 97 09:37:46 +0100 ( + ) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I was delighted to receive my upgrade of OVPro 2.46. But was absolutely stunned at the lack of choices in the separations prin= t dialog boxes . I am a graphic designer and bought OVPro in the first place because of = the many improvements it offered over Publisher +, rotated text to name one very major gain. I expected something far more professional not something inferior to Publ= isher+. What about lpi settings this is essential for a professional user what = about the resolution ? Import of Artworks spot colours ? How can I put crop marks around an object? In Publisher there is a huge range of borders including crop marks. These are important when printing something several times up on a sheet = , for instance a range of business cards. Don't get me wrong the program is excellent but these improvements must = be made if the program is to live up to its name. Yes its a fraction of the cost of Quark Express but that = is the industry standard. To persuade professional designers and printers to move to or continue using Acorn/OV= Pro it must have all the attributes that these professionals require. Alan Esplen Alan Esplen Graphic Design 21 Ray Mead Great Waltham Essex CM3 1AN phone+fax +44 (0) 1245 360 756 a.esplen@btinternet To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 18 14:17:34 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42579 for david ; Fri, 18 Jul 97 14:17:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869211993:06:10787:69; Fri, 18 Jul 97 08:46:33 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ap0704494; 18 Jul 97 8:45 BST From:(Colin Thompson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:44:23 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: The 'smudging' and (most of) the line flicker have gone To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970718.084423.75@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 20:48:32 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 15 Jul, Dr A G Gray wrote: > I commented in very early days about the flickering of each line while typing. > This appears much improved (on S/A RiscPC) and only intermittent after the > update. > > And the 'smudging' caused by bits of alti-aliasing getting left behind in > redraws has gone entirely. > > Since nobody else has mentioned it: well done! No it hasn't. I use an Eizo 17inch monitor in 32k colour mode 1024x768 and still get smudging left behind. It's not a serious problem but it has definintely not gone. Colin Thompson Email . . . colinet@atlantis.aust.com Homepage . http://www.atlantis.aust.com/~colinet To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 18 14:17:37 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42581 for david ; Fri, 18 Jul 97 14:17:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869212012:12:08138:47; Fri, 18 Jul 97 08:46:52 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id as0704494; 18 Jul 97 8:46 BST From:(Jack Evans) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:41:08 +0100 Organization: Sadly Lacking Subject: Printing Thumbnails sideways To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970718.084108.92@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 09:37:40 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I am full of admiration for the inspired work that has gone into creating OP in its present incarnation. However, try this .... Create a master page 99mm wide and 70mm high, eg one-third of an A4 side each way. Put text or whatever on it ready to print. In the printer window tick 'Print setup' and 'Sideways'. From the Format menu tick 'Thumbnails', move across and tick 'All same' and 'Paper area'. Note that Scale is 100% but 'Paper area(3x2)' appears in the Thumbnails sub-window instead of 3x3, ie 9 on an A4 sheet. The scale setting has to be reduced to 99 in order to change it to 'Paper area(3x3)'. Can I suggest that it would be nice to have the info in the Thumbnails sub-window remain on-screen when Scale is changed (and by bump icons please?) so that the effect of the change is immediately apparent. At present the Thumbnails windows close and have to be reopened to see the result of a change to Scale or Aspect. Some people are never satisfied. -- Jack Evans To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 18 14:17:42 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42583 for david ; Fri, 18 Jul 97 14:17:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869212059:06:11062:45; Fri, 18 Jul 97 08:47:39 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aw0704494; 18 Jul 97 8:47 BST From:(Charles Barraball) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:42:44 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: import, export, numbering .. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970718.084244.71@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 09:39:51 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 15 Jul, David J Fairweather wrote: > > If by this David means auto paragraph numbering e.g. > > 1 Heading one > a) sub one > b) sub two > i) sub sub one > > 2 Heading two > a) sub another one > > etc., complete with the ability to promote or demote paragraphs > then I vote for it right now. I am often called upon to write reports > and this is one feature missing from OP that I definitely need. I too need this feature - but I'd be happy to auto paragraph on a totally numeric basis:- 1 Heading one 1.01 sub one 1.02 sub two 1.021 sub sub one If you can then take out and put in paras that would be great, but it would be good to have some means of hot linking a paragraph. For example if in paragraph 20.028 I refer to the coatings schedule in paragraph 9.2, then if Heading 7 is deleted in its entirety it might be useful to automatically have 20.028 adjusted to become 19.028 with a reference to 8.2. Charles -- mailto:charles@nmalden.demon.co.uk * mailto:charles.barraball@dswark.org.uk * http://www.dswark.org * 0(44)1714038686-Vox; 0(44)1714034770-Fax* StrongARM 200mhz ART RiscPC To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 18 14:17:49 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42584 for david ; Fri, 18 Jul 97 14:17:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869212059:06:11067:45; Fri, 18 Jul 97 08:47:39 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id au0704494; 18 Jul 97 8:46 BST From:(Anthony Hilton) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:41:49 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Mailmerge and labels To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970718.084149.10@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 97 11:15:00 bst X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 >> Ok, the new linked frames in master pages allows me to create a >> master page with 24 linked label frames on it. >> How can I use Mailmerge to drop a CSV file from Datapower into the >> first frame and have all the addresses printed on one sheet? I have tried >> putting [Merge 1] - [Merge 5] in each label, but all I have managed to do is >> get it to print 24 sheets with a different address in the first label >> position. >Is this what you want, from the ReadMe: No, I want the mailmerge, which uses CSV files, to be able to take a series of CSV addresses and drop them into merge tags, producing a series of filled merged frames and not the same one on umpteen bits of paper. It should be easy to do and is a fairly standard way or working with any WP/DTP package. ______________ My comment: The concept that Word Perfect uses is "logical pages" which are the size of a label and fit many to a sheet for printing, so a merge file for address labels puts one record per logical page and prints them in full sheets. Might this different concept help David to look again at what was requested? Anthony ajh@yco.leeds.ac.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 18 14:17:53 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42585 for david ; Fri, 18 Jul 97 14:17:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869212102:12:08326:92; Fri, 18 Jul 97 08:48:22 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ax0704494; 18 Jul 97 8:47 BST From:(Mr J P Kerslake) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:43:04 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: More OP 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970718.084304.08@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 97 16:13:37 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 8 Jul 97 (08:35:24 +0100), David Pilling wrote: >X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 >From:(Dr. P.N. Young) > >>Particularly the underlining of spelt >>words, even though this does seem to do odd things at times! (Opening >>some documents with this chosen sometimes has everything underlined in red >>till the text is scrolled up and down). A boon to those like me who can't >>spell or type! > >There's a bug here which I have just fixed. If you have a document >which has no dictionaries loaded for it, and you attempt to use spell >checking, then the default dictionaries are added to the document. But, and >this is the catch the table counting how many documents are using a given >dictionary is not updated. So when a further document is loaded or closed the >dictionary being used for the real time spell checking may be flushed >from memory. > >Putting this into useful advice - if you always have dictionaries >loaded for your documents, this feature will behave. Is there a way of doing this for new documents? I've tried saving a new default document with the dictionaries loaded but this does not seem to help. Alternatively, how do we get the fixed version ;-) Please one forMe too John Percy Kerslake, kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Pager 01426-235878, dysliexia rules k o Sorry My spell checker will not work with my mail package I am writing this at work on a sun To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 18 14:18:01 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42586 for david ; Fri, 18 Jul 97 14:17:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869212111:12:08326:163; Fri, 18 Jul 97 08:48:31 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id az0704494; 18 Jul 97 8:48 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:43:22 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: More OP 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970718.084322.17@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 97 19:05:15 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R From:(Mr T J Chubb) >I think this has been dealt with but unfortunately I must have deleted the >email! My pictures (in this case, a simple Draw image)are printed upside >down. I am using v2.46 with turbodrivers. Well if it's a Draw file in an irregular frame... This is the thing with twiddling a printchoices bit because somethings are printed inverted on CC printer drivers - the file !OvnPro.Library.CCprfix should do this work automatically for you - so check if that is in place. From:(David Williams) >I also have problems with this using a chess font in a letter head done on >Draw. Help appreciated. A summary. As far as I know there are three reasons why text may not print. (1) The old background blending problem - Acorn printer drivers on RISC OS 3.70. Problem not present in OPro 2.4X. (2) Output to Caligraph printers - from dynamic areas, get the fontfix patch off my web pages. (3) Dud fonts. If you've got one not covered by the above, please let me have a copy. From:(Rob Hemmings) >If you are editing a colour using the CMYK model and you click select >on one of the sliders in the Colour Choice window, the window closes. >This makes it rather difficult to use the sliders! Or have I missed >something? Works OK for me - better have a chat by private email... From: Alan Esplen >1. When I load a recently created document the tool box disappears. I hav >e the toolbox options ticked. This document differs in only one way from >others in that I have rotated frames of text. When I load any other >document then click on a frame of the errant document the new document >also loses its toolbox. Use the main menu ->View->Options, enable the toolbox, click on OK, resave the document. It's nothing to do with rotated frames, and there is no bug in this area. >2. Is it possible to put crop marks around frames as in Publisher Plus. >For example, When I have business cards several times up on an A4 sheet, >the printer requires crop marks to individually guillotine them after >printing. I know there are options for Border definitions in the file of >that name the problem is I am a Graphic Designer not a software engineer. Impression of course has this very sly trick with using border to generate crop marks - invented by Tony Tolver. We seriously thought about doing this - but did not. The current version of OPro 2.45/2.46 which you should receive any day, has a new print format - 'thumbnails' this means you design just one business card on a page, and then use thubnails to print it, each individual print will have its own crop marks. From:(David Graddol) >The info bar at the bottom only gives the first term in the font name - >didn't it used to give the whole thing? I have numerous weights of Gillsans >and I really need to know whether it is 'regular' 'light', 'display', 'book' >or whatever. It's a real pain having to follow it right through the menu tree >to be sure (a frequent occurence given the italic font problem!). No it didn't used to, but it probably soon will. From:( Dr A G Gray) >I commented in very early days about the flickering of each line while typing. >This appears much improved (on S/A RiscPC) and only intermittent after the >update. >And the 'smudging' caused by bits of alti-aliasing getting left behind in >redraws has gone entirely. I don't know how to tell you this, but there have been no changes here. SA does of course help a lot. The reason for the flicker is that the redraw mechanism has to be able to cope with rotated text - Impression or Ovation 1 can use a much simpler and faster technique. We could add code for the special case of an upright frame, but in the light of the SA probably won't. >Now how do I prevent the Style Palette and Colour Palette re-ticking themselves >on the Applets menu and appearing with the default document when restarting OP? Very good point. If you change int stylepal_palette=1; in StylePal.Library.StylePal to; int stylepal_palette=0; The style palette will default to closed. Really though it should save this configuration in a file. From:(John Hollier) >I have a blank file with letter headings ready set which I call up when >required. I notice that the red underlining of spelling errors does not >function on this document, although 'check document', etc work OK. I do >have check as you type ticked. Can you explain please? You need to use the View dbox, main menu->View->Options, and select 'Spelling errors' click on OK. >Can you also explain how to get the !Speak application. I couldn't find an >applet !Help file as mentioned on page 13 of the Applets update booklet. >Thanks. I believe a demo of the speech modules can be obtained off HENSA. From:(Mr S Pampling) >No doubt many know that it does funny things if you edit a ddl file to add >bullet info (well you gotta do aintcha?) I suspect that if you edit the templates files and reinstate the relevant icons, you could use the bullet code from the program. However no promises that the file format will be preserved. >Ah, yes, indexes - definately the code already in there. Which actually is just like Impression, and so from what I can gather, not what people want. >PPS Fixed the drop caps alignment yet? No. From:(D.A.Symes) >In V2.36, my envelope template has text set in the Style for it, as 14 point >Bold. >When I dragged an address into it, or cut and pasted to it, the inserted >address appeared as 14 point Bold text. (I've reloaded 2.36 to recheck this). >With V2.46 the inserted text continues as (say) 12 point Trinity, my document >default text. >Why is this not changing to 14 point Bold as it did in V2.36? After all this >is the same template file transfered from 2.36 into 2.46. >If I Save the address out as a text file, then drag it into the Envelope >template the text changes to 14 point Bold. >If I drag the Text Save Icon directly from the Ov Pro Save window to my >envelope template, the text automatically changes to 14 point bold. It's always a useful trick to use the save selection as text feature to copy text from one document to another, because no style information is then copied across. So by the sounds of the above the style of what you are copying is overriding the style at the destination - as it should do. From:(Rob Hemmings) >Is there a way of doing this for new documents? I've tried saving a new >default document with the dictionaries loaded but this does not seem to help. Well saving a default document with dictionaries loaded does ensure that every new document is created with dictionaries loaded. So it should solve the problem. However once you've got into the position of the dictionary counts being corrupt, the only way out is to quit and reload OPro, it thus takes several iterations to be sure you've got over the problem. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jul 22 13:47:40 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42768 for david ; Tue, 22 Jul 97 13:47:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869557067:12:06172:44; Tue, 22 Jul 97 08:37:47 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id an1204891; 22 Jul 97 8:37 BST From:(Rupert Thompson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:08:49 +0100 Organization: Subject: !Critic applet updated To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970721.110849.04@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 08:58:54 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I've just placed an update to the !Critic applet on my website. It's fixed some bugs which (i) affected accenting Z and z, and (ii) prevented the use of the superscript circle diacritic. I've also added an accute accent, which can of course be placed over any letter, even consonants (so it's useful for Sanskrit and some East European languages). You need to reinstall the fonts supplied, because some of them have been added to. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (during the day) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jul 22 13:47:42 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42769 for david ; Tue, 22 Jul 97 13:47:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869557217:06:15008:43; Tue, 22 Jul 97 08:40:17 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1206577; 22 Jul 97 8:40 BST From:( Dr A G Gray) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:09:50 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: The 'smudging' and (most of) the line flicker have gone To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970721.110950.09@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 97 11:27:43 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Fri 18 Jul 97 (08:44:23 +0100), colinet@atlantis.aust.com wrote: .... after my comment on improved screen drawing: >> And the 'smudging' caused by bits of alti-aliasing getting left >> behind in redraws has gone entirely. >> >> Since nobody else has mentioned it: well done! > >No it hasn't. I use an Eizo 17inch monitor in 32k colour mode 1024x768 >and still get smudging left behind. Hmmm. Looked more carefully - I use 1280x1024x256x79 and yep, I have to agree: It's still there. As another wag commented: some people are never satisfied ;-) -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jul 22 13:47:45 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42770 for david ; Tue, 22 Jul 97 13:47:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869557354:05:25574:47; Tue, 22 Jul 97 08:42:34 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ae1206577; 22 Jul 97 8:42 BST From:(Mr S Pampling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:10:28 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Bullets To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970721.111028.89@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 97 08:09:58 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 15 Jul 97 (08:34:57 +0100), secpc@flinders.edu.au wrote: >DP wrote: >>We've had some good suggestions on indexing, it might be interesting >>to hear what would be desirable for the above. >Yes please for bullets. IIRC even old ArcDraw had them! I'll second the call for the completion of the bulet code - what is there works reasonably to produce bulletted text (if you fiddle a bit.) Fixing the Drop Cap implementation would be nice too - but I believe that's in hand, Yes Ian? >Crazy idea - could you make it possible to have a small graphic frame, >rather than just a special font character, be a bullet? Oh, look; >little multi coloured shaded buttons just like on the web pages! Ah, an automated embedded graphic sounds like a nice idea - totally customisable bullet symbols... SteveP -- steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk or camra@argonet.co.uk for CAMRA items ZFC A * Campaign for Real Ale, Warwickshire Area Organiser * To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jul 22 13:47:48 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42771 for david ; Tue, 22 Jul 97 13:47:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869557362:12:07137:45; Tue, 22 Jul 97 08:42:42 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac1206577; 22 Jul 97 8:41 BST From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:07:45 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Mailmerge and labels To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970721.110745.84@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 97 09:48:56 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Fri 18 Jul 97 (08:41:49 +0100), ajh@yco.leeds.ac.uk wrote: > >No, I want the mailmerge, which uses CSV files, to be able to take a >series >of >CSV addresses and drop them into merge tags, producing a series of >filled merged frames and not the same one on umpteen bits of paper. It >should be >easy >to do and is a fairly standard way or working with any WP/DTP package. > >______________ > >My comment: > >The concept that Word Perfect uses is "logical pages" which are the >size of a label and fit many to a sheet for printing, so a merge file >for address labels puts one record per logical page and prints them in >full sheets. Might this different concept help David to look again at >what was requested? > >Anthony >ajh@yco.leeds.ac.uk That would do it exactly. I have tried by making a page 70x35 mm with merge tags and printing it as 'Thumbnails, 3x8', but it still outputs separate sheets of paper. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jul 22 13:47:52 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42773 for david ; Tue, 22 Jul 97 13:47:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869557424:12:07324:44; Tue, 22 Jul 97 08:43:44 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ag1206577; 22 Jul 97 8:42 BST From:(Andrew Tuson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:10:48 +0100 Organization: at Home Subject: Re: import, export, numbering .. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970721.111048.03@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 20:39:42 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19970718.084244.71@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I too need this feature - but I'd be happy to auto paragraph on a > totally numeric basis:- > > 1 Heading one > 1.01 sub one > 1.02 sub two > 1.021 sub sub one > If you can then take out and put in paras that would be great, but > it would be good to have some means of hot linking a paragraph. > > For example if in paragraph 20.028 I refer to the coatings schedule > in paragraph 9.2, then if Heading 7 is deleted in its entirety it > might be useful to automatically have 20.028 adjusted to become 19.028 > with a reference to 8.2. The type of numbering needs to be able to be set by the user. I hate to admit it, but Word6 (which I am forced to use at work) does it relatively well - if you ignore quirks like resetting the paragraph numbering to 1 if a table is inserted! -- Andrew Tuson To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jul 22 13:47:55 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42774 for david ; Tue, 22 Jul 97 13:47:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869557482:05:25220:54; Tue, 22 Jul 97 08:44:42 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ai1206577; 22 Jul 97 8:43 BST From:(Gavin Dewar) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:08:08 +0100 Organization: Quercus Computer Systems Subject: Loader for Impression Style To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970721.110808.47@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 00:05:45 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Hi, I purchased "Ovation Pro" at Wakefield and in general I am very pleased with it. I was told that someone was working on an importer for Impression Style documents - any news on this yet? My main requirement is straight text conversion for Operating & Technical Manuals - not too bothered at the moment about embed the text to retain the section/heading styles and font weights etc. I do miss the automatic "Contents and Indexing" facilities in Impression, so I am pleased to gather that these are 'in hand'. One use I still have to resort to Impression Style for is automatic indexing of software listings. I use a small DIY "WimpBasic" proggy to add an Impression style to all the Procedure names - bold and a bit bigger and index mark - , and can thus generate a table of page numbers for the program listing. No problem to modify the proggy for OP styles, but any suggestions for a quick Applet to produce a simple index list. Best regards, Gavin -- Gavin Dewar Quercus Computer Systems | Design & Supply of Long Preston, Nr Skipton | Industrial Control Systems North Yorkshire. | from the Yorkshire Dales. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jul 22 13:47:58 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42775 for david ; Tue, 22 Jul 97 13:47:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869557483:05:25179:49; Tue, 22 Jul 97 08:44:43 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ak1206577; 22 Jul 97 8:44 BST From:("James White (Acorns in Spain)") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:08:28 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: OP 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970721.110828.63@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 16:55:31 +0200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 15 Jul, David Pilling wrote: =20 > In the new scheme there is an algorithm which determines > which of the font weights will be 'italic' - the special weights > (italic, bold, normal and italic+bold) are separated off. Alas it seems= the > way I've done it does not meet everyones idea of what is correct. > A new problem for me has surfaced with 2.46, possibly related to the abov= e. I use a button for each of the fonts that I frequently jump into and out = of as I write up a manual. One of them is Sibelius Tempo, which 2.36 selected and showed on the toolbar, but 2.46 doesn't. I checked the Macros of both versions and experimented with other _double-names_ on both versions. The conclusion: Only Sibelius Tempo works in a button macro, and only in 2.36. No other two-name-fonts do so, e.g. Bob Bold.=20 What is the difference between Sibelius Tempo and Bob Bold, and why does = the 2.36 algorithm select the one and not the other? And can I have a macro fix for 2.47 that ideally allowed a weight as well= as fixing Tempo :-) As an aside, we have recently had printed a music textbook which will go into the schools in Andalucia. It was produced by OvPro, with all music samples from Sibelius 7, and looks _so_ professional.=20 Is this a first? JW --=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Sibelius en Espa=F1a. Mailto:jacorn@ibm.net & Mailto:pmoya@valnet.es -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jul 22 13:48:00 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42776 for david ; Tue, 22 Jul 97 13:47:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869557550:15:11282:51; Tue, 22 Jul 97 08:45:50 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id am1206577; 22 Jul 97 8:45 BST From:(David J Fairweather) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:09:09 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: The 'smudging' and (most of) the line flicker have gone To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970721.110909.58@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 16:57:02 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Fri 18 Jul, Colin Thompson wrote: > On Tue 15 Jul, Dr A G Gray wrote: > > I commented in very early days about the flickering of each line while typing. > > This appears much improved (on S/A RiscPC) and only intermittent after the > > update. > > > > And the 'smudging' caused by bits of alti-aliasing getting left behind in > > redraws has gone entirely. > > > > Since nobody else has mentioned it: well done! > > No it hasn't. I use an Eizo 17inch monitor in 32k colour mode 1024x768 and > still get smudging left behind. It's not a serious problem but it has > definintely not gone. I have the same monitor and setup in the office and I get the same 'smudging' problem. Although not a serious one, as a quick move of the document to force a re-draw clears it, it is irritating. -- David J Fairweather - Director of Operations, Europe. davef@cbslontd.demon.uk Snail to: CBS News 68 Knightsbridge Bowater House (0171-887-3000) London SW1X 7LL ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are personal and do not represent the views or opinions of Westinghouse, CBS News or any other Division of CBS. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jul 22 13:48:03 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42777 for david ; Tue, 22 Jul 97 13:48:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869557579:05:26727:45; Tue, 22 Jul 97 08:46:19 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ao1206577; 22 Jul 97 8:46 BST From:(Ariancylch) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:09:31 +0100 Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body Subject: Re: import, export, numbering .. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970721.110931.42@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 04:30:47 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970718.084207.22@risc.demon.co.uk> Peter Bond wrote: > In message <19970715.083340.46@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: [snip] > > If by this David means auto paragraph numbering e.g. > > > > 1 Heading one > > a) sub one > > b) sub two > > i) sub sub one > > > > 2 Heading two > > a) sub another one > > > How is that indentation done? Is it with various numbers of tabs or > is it several styles with different left margins? 'Cos it makes a > difference! > > What I really mean, of course, is "how would you *want* to use it?" I'd have thought it being 'several styles' would be more useful/intuitive. I'd want each level to be on it's own style so I don't have to worry about messing up my indenting to get a nice layout else where in the list. MS Word has a way of doing this where you get to choose, for each level, not only the left-indent, but the distance between the 'number' and the text. I think it does a couple of other things as well - I avoid using it if I can. Of course, that's all possible with a style - you set the left margin, put the 'number' on a tab (which can then be left/right/centre/decimal/randomly aligned), and the text on a tab (which you might set the 'next line' marker to as well) -- I won't use words again May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said places where you must walk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jul 22 13:48:06 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42778 for david ; Tue, 22 Jul 97 13:48:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869557635:05:26997:43; Tue, 22 Jul 97 08:47:15 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aq1206577; 22 Jul 97 8:46 BST From:(Keith Parker) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:11:06 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Printing and 2.46 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970721.111106.86@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 97 08:56:12 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Fri 18 Jul 97 (08:40:49 +0100), a.esplen@btinternet.com wrote: > How can I put crop marks around an object? Until, we can persuade DP to make this automatic we have to rely on a manual method. In fact, I covered this in the RISC User DTP Workshop - its not perfect but until something better arrives, it works (I know because I've already used it for business cards). Temporary fix: ============= Setup page (say A5 landscape) with 4 business cards. Use the straight line drawing tool to create 8 small lines around 15mm long, 0.25mm wide in registration black. Position them in line with the edges of the business cards. If you want, I send you an OvationPro file with it setup :-) > In Publisher there is a huge range of borders including crop marks. > These are important when printing something several times up on a sheet > for instance a range of business cards. Mind you, in Publisher you have to thank Tony Tolver for border 11 - he designed it an told CC it should the included. > Don't get me wrong the program is excellent but these improvements must > be made if the program is to live up to its name. Yes its a fraction of the > cost of Quark Express but that is the industry standard. To persuade > professional designers and printers to move to or continue using > Acorn/OVPro it must have all the attributes that these professionals require. I think that we'll get there ... after all, OvationPro has given us Imposition - something that Impression would never have given us and that is as much an industry standard requirement :-) Cheers Keith -- keithp@argonet.co.uk | suep@argonet.co.uk Supporting British RISC technology :-) | A teacher using PCs and Macs :-( To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jul 22 13:48:10 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42779 for david ; Tue, 22 Jul 97 13:48:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869557700:06:17057:47; Tue, 22 Jul 97 08:48:20 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id at1206577; 22 Jul 97 8:48 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:10:09 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: More OP 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970721.111009.97@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 97 20:08:44 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R From:(Anthony Hilton) >OK as a fix for the Expert fonts, but still doesn't get round the problem >with Demibold which is a different weight of the standard character set. I >suppose we could rename it Semibold but I would much prefer the font >handling to do it properly. Define 'properly' 8-) Clearly the way it works at the moment is not what everyone wants. The problem though is that vast amounts of ingenuity have been put into naming fonts in odd ways. From:(R.I. Scott) About bullets ... >Another big yes please .... erm ... !Impression Publisher *does* have this >facility ... and very useful it is! What is on offer is as follows. Text has a 'level' attribute, with body text level 0, and you can then assign levels higher than zero to text. Paragraphs with the bullet option enabled then have text automatically added at the start. This extra text is either a bullet character or the paragraph number. Paragraph number means a representation of the paragraphs position in the levels in the text. So typically you'd do the chapter heading in a style with level 1, and section headings in a style with level 2, and sub section headings in a style with level 3. Text would then print out automatically as 1.2.3 a sub section 1.2.3 another sub section 1.3 new section There are choices for the formats of these numbers e.g. roman or alphabetic a,b,c It is possible to specify a style for the 'bullet' and to set the character which follows it. >Also indexing is IMO a major omission in what is in most ways a far more Peter Bond has just completed an indexing applet - coming up on a web site real soon. From:(Alan Esplen) >But was absolutely stunned at the lack of choices in the separations prin >t dialog boxes . >What about lpi settings this is essential for a professional user what = >about the resolution ? See the screen button on the Separations print sub window. See also the Screen... entry on the picture sub menu. So I don't accept this point. I'd better own up that we think there is a problem with picture screens - a script file fix coming up asap. >Import of Artworks spot colours? I'm working on this. >How can I put crop marks around an object? >In Publisher there is a huge range of borders including crop marks. >These are important when printing something several times up on a sheet = >for instance a range of business cards. I think I replied to you last time, that the thumbnail printing option allows crop marks for jobs like business cards. You can always just draw crop marks on the page. But I've an open mind the new version is much better for this type of crop mark, but if it's not good enough we can always do better. From:(Jack Evans) >Note that Scale is 100% but 'Paper area(3x2)' appears in the >Thumbnails sub-window instead of 3x3, ie 9 on an A4 sheet. The scale >setting has to be reduced to 99 in order to change it to 'Paper >area(3x3)'. Presumeably some sort of rounding error or the curse of A4 being 1/72000'th smaller in one place than in another. At least you have the option to set a fixed number of thumbnails. It should be possible to insert the necessary fudge factor in the Imposition applet. >Can I suggest that it would be nice to have the info in the >Thumbnails sub-window remain on-screen when Scale is changed (and by >bump icons please?) so that the effect of the change is immediately >apparent. At present the Thumbnails windows close and have to be >reopened to see the result of a change to Scale or Aspect. Ah, how do you do this sort of thing and keep the software modular and extensible 8-) From: All those who wanted a way of previewing mail merge output... Ray Dawson provides the answer. >I think this is somewhat akin to another request for a way of previewing a >mailmerge. BTW, I use ArcFax to do this. If I want to see what a document is >going to look like, I print to ArcFax and use the View facility. Ah yes, always a good technique to save paper. ArcFax is available from good computer stores everywhere. You too can help save the forests. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 23 14:16:32 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42842 for david ; Wed, 23 Jul 97 14:16:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869642491:06:24781:43; Wed, 23 Jul 97 08:21:31 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad0624464; 23 Jul 97 8:21 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 10:26:03 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Bullets To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970722.102603.27@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:19:12 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970721.111028.89@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Fixing the Drop Cap implementation would be nice too - but I believe that's in > hand, Yes Ian? It is certainly on the list of things to do something about. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 23 14:16:35 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42843 for david ; Wed, 23 Jul 97 14:16:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869642609:15:04469:43; Wed, 23 Jul 97 08:23:29 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0624464; 23 Jul 97 8:22 BST From:(Philip Ingram) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 10:26:23 +0100 Organization: Subject: RTF export from Ovation Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970722.102623.95@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 23:37:50 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Is there any way to export an OvPro doc in RTF? If so, could someone please explain how. Otherwise, could any others interested please let Beebug know so that they can prioritise the wish list appropriately. Regards, -- Philip Ingram prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk or pingram@bigfoot.com To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 23 14:16:37 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42844 for david ; Wed, 23 Jul 97 14:16:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869642708:05:06629:44; Wed, 23 Jul 97 08:25:08 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ai0624464; 23 Jul 97 8:24 BST From:(Stephen Brown) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 10:26:45 +0100 Organization: UMIST Subject: Re: 2.45 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970722.102645.68@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 09:18:45 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I only bought O-P 3 weeks ago, but I seem to have been given version 2.45, with which I have discovered a few problems. If I want to insert a character using the single shift font, then pressing f10 works fine, but if the next key press is delete, then everything I type after that is in the single shift font. The only way to get back to the normal font is to reset it manually. Subsequent uses of f10 change the font until I physically change it back again and not just for one character as supposed. What was going wrong. ? To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 23 14:16:39 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42845 for david ; Wed, 23 Jul 97 14:16:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869642754:06:25932:44; Wed, 23 Jul 97 08:25:54 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0625883; 23 Jul 97 8:25 BST From:("Craig Brown") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 10:27:29 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: The 'smudging' To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970722.102729.51@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 21:42:30 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On 18 Jul 97, Colin Thompson wrote this about 'Re: The 'smudging'': > On Tue 15 Jul, Dr A G Gray wrote: > > And the 'smudging' caused by bits of alti-aliasing getting left behind in > > redraws has gone entirely. > > > > Since nobody else has mentioned it: well done! > > No it hasn't. I use an Eizo 17inch monitor in 32k colour mode 1024x768 and > still get smudging left behind. It's not a serious problem but it has > definintely not gone. Yep. I get some smudging in a 1024x768, 256 colour mode (on the standard Acorn 14" monitor). Not as bad as before the upgrade, though. Craggle the fraggle. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 23 14:16:43 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42846 for david ; Wed, 23 Jul 97 14:16:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869642797:12:20886:43; Wed, 23 Jul 97 08:26:37 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ae0625883; 23 Jul 97 8:26 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 10:55:05 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Template Overprint not Found To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970722.105505.41@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 10:51:19 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970722.102748.78@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Hi all,I have just updated to version 2.46 of Ovation Pro. Unfortun= > ately, when I try and run the new version, I get the error message = > Template Overprint not foundapp= > earing after the 'security splash window'.Any thoughts would be gre= > atly appreciated.Thanks in advanceMark Oelbaum The problem is caused by you having two copies of the Ovation Pro resources - !OvnResDir. You need to move the old copy of Ovation Pro so that it is not seen by the filer and not filer booted during your boot up sequence. Or more simply you can just open up the new installation of the program and double-click on !OvnResDir (and !Words). -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 23 14:16:46 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42848 for david ; Wed, 23 Jul 97 14:16:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869642801:06:26117:43; Wed, 23 Jul 97 08:26:41 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0625883; 23 Jul 97 8:26 BST From:(A M Oelbaum) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 10:27:48 +0100 Organization: Subject: Template Overprint not Found To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970722.102748.78@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 97 00:26:23 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Hi all,I have just updated to version 2.46 of Ovation Pro. Unfortun= ately, when I try and run the new version, I get the error message = Template Overprint not foundapp= earing after the 'security splash window'.Any thoughts would be gre= atly appreciated.Thanks in advanceMark Oelbaum = North East London-- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .= ---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ = | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\|= | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_= | | | |__ | marko@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 23 14:16:50 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42850 for david ; Wed, 23 Jul 97 14:16:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869642809:12:20912:43; Wed, 23 Jul 97 08:26:49 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ag0625883; 23 Jul 97 8:26 BST From:(Richard) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 10:27:07 +0100 Organization: Subject: Import Export of Word .. yuk To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970722.102707.33@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 20:51:48 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I was just wondering if anyone has tried to write a conversion programme for MS WORD to and from OvationPro? Now I know what yo to use Word at work and desprite my best efforts I cannot get RTF files to copy properly. Ovation will accept RTF files but can I did ask John Wallis at this years Acorn user show but he did not think it was worth while!! If the Acorn world could transfer data with the MS world I am convinced that there would be a case for using Acorn machines in industry far more!! After all Psion can exchange files why can't we? If anyone is working on this I would be very interested to hear from you or if anyone has any information on the format of MSword etc. so I could have a go ? ________________________________________ | Richard F Morton | |E-mail richard.nounour@argonet.co.uk| |Hardware RiscPC StrongARM | |________________________________________| To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 23 14:16:54 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42852 for david ; Wed, 23 Jul 97 14:16:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869642827:12:20984:44; Wed, 23 Jul 97 08:27:07 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ai0625883; 23 Jul 97 8:26 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 10:54:46 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: 2.45 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970722.105446.19@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 10:46:52 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19970722.102645.68@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > I only bought O-P 3 weeks ago, but I seem to have been given version > 2.45, with which I have discovered a few problems. > > If I want to insert a character using the single shift font, then > pressing f10 works fine, but if the next key press is delete, then > everything I type after that is in the single shift font. The only > way to get back to the normal font is to reset it manually. > Subsequent uses of f10 change the font until I physically change it > back again and not just for one character as supposed. The program inserts a code into the document to tell it that the next character should be the single shift font, you can then delete the character, but the code to change the font is still there so any subsequent text is in that font. Ctrl L will get rid of the font style. It is just the way the program works, if you do Italic, Character, Italic off and delete the character the same thing happens. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 25 13:50:14 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42948 for david ; Fri, 25 Jul 97 13:50:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869816563:09:23592:54; Fri, 25 Jul 97 08:42:43 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id af1427231; 25 Jul 97 8:42 BST From:(Graham Allan) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:16:09 +0100 Organization: Subject: Enhancement to !Convert applet To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970724.131609.00@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 10:56:03 -0500 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I thought I'd pass on one suggestion for the !Convert applet - it would be extremely useful if it could accept fractions as the input, eg, to be able to convert input like "7/8in" to other units. Graham To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 25 13:50:17 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42949 for david ; Fri, 25 Jul 97 13:50:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869816744:10:23054:43; Fri, 25 Jul 97 08:45:44 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id am1427231; 25 Jul 97 8:45 BST From:(Mr S Pampling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:19:45 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: !Critic applet updated To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970724.131945.71@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 97 00:06:04 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Just a suggestion, but would it not be a good idea if the various applets mentioned on the mailling list were actually listed on links from the main Beebug OvPro web page. On a basis of "these are untested etc" Ian? seem reasonable? It does have half an implication that you are sanctioning their use, but it should prove pretty well problem free. SteveP SteveP -- steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk or camra@argonet.co.uk for CAMRA items ZFC A * Campaign for Real Ale, Warwickshire Area Organiser * To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 25 13:50:19 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42950 for david ; Fri, 25 Jul 97 13:50:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869816886:14:27708:45; Fri, 25 Jul 97 08:48:06 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1427689; 25 Jul 97 8:47 BST From:(Sam Smith) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:16:49 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Imp Style Loader To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970724.131649.37@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 16:43:14 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 21 Jul, Gavin Dewar wrote: > My main requirement is straight text conversion for Operating & Technical Manuals - n > ot too bothered at the moment about embedded frames/drawings, I do hope that frames and embedded things work fully. I am holding off buying a copy of OvPro until this becomes available. Any chances of this list being sent out as one mailing, instead of about 20 separate messages? Thank you kindly Sam Smith aka frtck on IRC Email : sams@techie.com Website : http://homepages.enterprise.net/samsmith *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 25 13:50:22 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42951 for david ; Fri, 25 Jul 97 13:50:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869816904:09:25540:45; Fri, 25 Jul 97 08:48:24 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1427689; 25 Jul 97 8:48 BST From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:18:08 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: RTF export from Ovation Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970724.131808.34@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 97 09:46:24 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 22 Jul 97 (10:26:23 +0100), prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk wrote: >Is there any way to export an OvPro doc in RTF? If so, could someone >please explain how. Otherwise, could any others interested please let >Beebug know so that they can prioritise the wish list appropriately. There isn't a way ATM - I suppose it means waiting for some brilliant, magnanimous, expert on applets to write one. It is one of the few areas where I still have to use Publisher - working on documents that have to be read by clients using PCs. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 25 13:50:25 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42952 for david ; Fri, 25 Jul 97 13:50:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869816948:09:25758:46; Fri, 25 Jul 97 08:49:08 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ae1427689; 25 Jul 97 8:48 BST From:(Peter Bond) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:18:47 +0100 Organization: home Subject: Re: RTF export from Ovation Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970724.131847.34@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:21:49 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970722.102623.95@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Is there any way to export an OvPro doc in RTF? If so, could someone > please explain how. Otherwise, could any others interested please let > Beebug know so that they can prioritise the wish list appropriately. > I have certainly found RTF export useful with Impression in the past. Even more useful was the ability to export in WordPerfect format! I'm no longer aware of what goes on in the PC world but suspect that WP may be declining? The need was to communicate with my wife's publisher who werestill in the 70's! -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 25 13:50:28 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42953 for david ; Fri, 25 Jul 97 13:50:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869816949:14:27788:46; Fri, 25 Jul 97 08:49:09 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ag1427689; 25 Jul 97 8:49 BST From:("Roger Darlington") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:14:51 +0100 Organization: University of Salford Subject: DEEP SLEEP of OP 2.46 (and earlier) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970724.131451.26@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 09:15:11 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Dear Beebug, On Ovation 2.46 (and the earlier version) my OP goes into deep sleep. During the deep sleep period, which can last up to 2 seconds, it is not listening to the keyboard input. So, when typing fast, up to half a line of typed-in text goes completely missing during one of these 'deep sleep' periods. I have reported this before, thinking that it must be during automatic saves, but this is incorrect. It has nothing to do with automatic saves. It occurs at any time, when least expecting it. In any 15 minute period of intense typing, it would probably occur once. Expect the unexpected. Does no-one else find this? It occurs on both my A540 SCSI system using RiscOS 3.10 and my A5000 system using IDE and RiscOS3.10 at work. Does it not occur on a RiscPC? [On a silly note - Perhaps it is RAM sleep?] Help? Roger Darlington 1 fells Grove Worsley Manchester M28 7JN Home Tel - (0161) 799 9845 R.W.DARLINGTON@acoustics.salford.ac.uk Work Tel - (0161) 295 3399 It's all done by mirrors To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 25 13:50:30 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42954 for david ; Fri, 25 Jul 97 13:50:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869816978:09:25879:44; Fri, 25 Jul 97 08:49:38 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ai1427689; 25 Jul 97 8:49 BST From:(Graham Jones) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:15:29 +0100 Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe Subject: Re: More OP 2.46 bugs and anomalies To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970724.131529.83@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:05:20 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 David Pilling wrote: > About bullets ... > > What is on offer is as follows. Text has a 'level' attribute, with > body text level 0, and you can then assign levels higher than zero to > text. > > So typically you'd do the chapter heading in a style with level 1, > and section headings in a style with level 2, and sub section headings > in a style with level 3. Would this allow the level styles to inherit attributes from the lower levels. What I am thinking of is having numbered chapters/sections but then the possibility of having roman/alpha sub-subsections. A bit like: 2 A chapter 2.1 A section 2.1.a A subsection . . 2.1.a.iv A sub-subsection Basically a mixing of the styles of the various level headings. I can predict that someone will say that sort of thing looks horrible but we came to he conclusion that it works nicely compared to a number for each part. I want to avoid the last number ending up as ii.i.i.iv (understandably!). Alternatively would it be possible to configure the style of each component of the numbering for each level instead? I hope that makes some sense! Graham Jones. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 25 13:50:33 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42955 for david ; Fri, 25 Jul 97 13:50:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869817003:09:26039:46; Fri, 25 Jul 97 08:50:03 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ak1427689; 25 Jul 97 8:49 BST From:(Ariancylch) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:16:28 +0100 Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body Subject: Re: Loader for Impression Style To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970724.131628.83@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 04:33:57 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970721.110808.47@risc.demon.co.uk> Gavin Dewar wrote: > One use I still have to resort to Impression Style for is automatic > indexing of software listings. > I use a small DIY "WimpBasic" proggy to add an Impression style to all > the Procedure names - bold and a bit bigger and index mark - , and can > thus generate a table of page numbers for the program listing. > No problem to modify the proggy for OP styles, but any suggestions for a > quick Applet to produce a simple index list. If anyone does this, and could make it sufficiently flexible that one could throw other code at it, let me know? Or, if there was already something that did this. Periodically I've wanted a nicer printed listing of C/Pascal/BASIC/Whatever programs and doing it by hand isn't any fun. (And since it's only periodic, for smallish example programs, I've only done it by hand :) Maybe the person to talk to would be the author of the Zap C mode, hrm. -- I won't use words again May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said places where you must walk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 25 13:50:36 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42956 for david ; Fri, 25 Jul 97 13:50:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869817023:09:26150:59; Fri, 25 Jul 97 08:50:23 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id am1427689; 25 Jul 97 8:50 BST From:(David Graddol) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:18:28 +0100 Organization: The English Co UK Ltd Subject: Re: Import Export of Word .. yuk To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970724.131828.31@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:55:14 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970722.102707.33@risc.demon.co.uk> Richard wrote: > I was just wondering if anyone has tried to write a conversion programme for MS WORD to and from OvationPro? I agree that interchangeability with MSWord is a high priority. Unfortunately I also get a great many documents sent to me in MSWord format. Indeed, there is an increasing (and reprehensible) trend for colleagues to send me simple email messages as MSWord attachments. RTF, even if OvPro learned to export it, would be no help, because it is the unsolicted MSWord documents which cause the most hassle. At present I use OvPro for everything -- from word processing to document layout for printing, but I am considering going over to Techwriter for word processing mainly because of its ability to handle MSWord. I imagine that converting and writing to MSWord format is non trivial. There seem to be a multitide of flavours around and, although simple documents have a straightforward structure, it only takes a table or graphic for the internal format to start getting complicated. David To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 25 13:50:39 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42957 for david ; Fri, 25 Jul 97 13:50:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869817041:09:26273:43; Fri, 25 Jul 97 08:50:41 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ao1427689; 25 Jul 97 8:50 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:19:06 +0100 Organization: Subject: webby things To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970724.131906.22@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 97 21:03:33 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Following on from the glad tidings that the Beebug web site has been updated, new applets etc. Peter Bond's Indexing applet is now available from my web pages (it will migrate to the Beebug site soon). This is a list of useful web sites. If you know of others tell me. I will maintain the list in future on the Beebug site. Beebug http://www.beebug.com (applets, upgrades, hints and tips) Jamie Lawrence http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/~u5jel/web/home.html (Contents applet and others) David Pilling http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk (Caligraph fontfix module) Rupert Thompson http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (during the day) (End note applet and others) Sveinung W. Tengelsen http://home.sn.no/~pixeleye/ (Norwegian dictionary) A large number of different languages and Technical dictionaries can be found on each of the following: (These are different sites and not mirrors of each other.) ftp://coast.cs.purdue.edu/pub/dict/ ftp://sable.ox.ac.uk/pub/wordlists/ http://math-www.uni-paderborn.de/HTML/Dictionaries.html David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 25 13:50:41 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42958 for david ; Fri, 25 Jul 97 13:50:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869817069:09:26425:47; Fri, 25 Jul 97 08:51:09 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aq1427689; 25 Jul 97 8:50 BST From:(Koalasoft) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:20:06 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: The 'smudging' To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970724.132006.54@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 09:36:43 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 22 Jul, Craig Brown wrote: > On 18 Jul 97, Colin Thompson wrote this about 'Re: The 'smudging'': > > > On Tue 15 Jul, Dr A G Gray wrote: > > > And the 'smudging' caused by bits of alti-aliasing getting left behind in > > > redraws has gone entirely. > > > > > > Since nobody else has mentioned it: well done! > > > > No it hasn't. I use an Eizo 17inch monitor in 32k colour mode 1024x768 and > > still get smudging left behind. It's not a serious problem but it has > > definintely not gone. > > Yep. I get some smudging in a 1024x768, 256 colour mode (on the > standard Acorn 14" monitor). Not as bad as before the upgrade, > though. > > Craggle the fraggle. This problem is abviously not monitor specific. I use a 17" Mag Monitor which is based on a Sony, and I have the same problem. Furtunately my printers do not understand wysiwyg smudges and prints ou Not very good though when you are demonstrating the package to potentials. Cheers Alan ________________________________________________________________________ Alan Jones Koala Soft PO Box 157, Winmalee. NSW 2777 AUSTRALIA To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 25 13:50:44 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42959 for david ; Fri, 25 Jul 97 13:50:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869817091:10:24871:43; Fri, 25 Jul 97 08:51:31 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id as1427689; 25 Jul 97 8:51 BST From:("Roger Darlington") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:14:30 +0100 Organization: University of Salford Subject: Colour Printing Tip To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970724.131430.47@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 08:55:24 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Dear Users I have found that by trying to print in full colour using Ovation Pro (2.46) and an Epson Stylus Colour 800 printer with the 'Using Colour Correction Table' option in Oveation set to its default Ticked status results in pure Magenta being printed far too reddish, and with deep royal blue being printed as purple! Purple is printed nearly black. However, if, in Ovation, you UNTICK the default option 'Using colour correction table', the colours come out MUCH BETTER! I do not know why Ovation messes about with the colours when this option is set to the default value, but I can report THAT EXACTLY THE SAME THING HAPPENS ON A REAL PC USING COREL DRAW. That is, the colours come out all wrong if the option 'Use colour correcting table' is left ticked! So, if on your printer, the colours come out all wrong, try deselecting the 'use colour correction table' option. Mention is made in the Ovation Colour Supplement manual that if the colour correction table is incorrect, we can make another one. It doesn't explain HOW. Having looked at the contents of such a table, this seems impossible without instructions. Where are the instructions Beebug? Another request please David. This tip was brought to you by MacDongle's burglar barn. Roger Darlington 1 fells Grove Worsley Manchester M28 7JN Home Tel - (0161) 799 9845 R.W.DARLINGTON@acoustics.salford.ac.uk Work Tel - (0161) 295 3399 It's all done by mirrors To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 25 13:50:47 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA42960 for david ; Fri, 25 Jul 97 13:50:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 869817139:09:26738:58; Fri, 25 Jul 97 08:52:19 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id au1427689; 25 Jul 97 8:51 BST From:(Rupert Thompson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:15:10 +0100 Organization: Subject: Font trouble (was bugs and anomalies) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970724.131510.68@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:26:45 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 21 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > From:(Anthony Hilton) > > >OK as a fix for the Expert fonts, but still doesn't get round the problem > >with Demibold which is a different weight of the standard character set. I > >suppose we could rename it Semibold but I would much prefer the font > >handling to do it properly. > > Define 'properly' 8-) Clearly the way it works at the moment is not what > everyone wants. The problem though is that vast amounts of ingenuity have > been put into naming fonts in odd ways. I have fonts called Times.ClassGreek, Times.Cyrillic, Times.Phonetic, each of which comes in different weights. If I'm currently in, say Times.Cyrillic and I turn bold on, I want Times.Cyrillic.Bold, but I get Times.Bold which is interpreted as Times.ClassGreek.Bold. Surely the following would work: If you assume that a font is named .