From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 4 14:05:45 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40131 for david ; Wed, 04 Jun 97 14:05:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 865419956:09:06572:50; Wed, 04 Jun 97 11:25:56 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac1114243; 4 Jun 97 11:25 BST From:(A.E.Lacey) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 10:14:41 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: GDraw 2.94 or later To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970603.101441.53@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 May 97 11:39:29 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Module sent and acknowledged. -- ________________________________________________________________________________ Ted Lacey - ZFC LXXVI - Secretary of Southampton Acorn User Group - RiscPC600 50 Mb RAM - 410Mb IDE and 1Gb SCSI Hard Drives - Cumana SCSI2(v2.04) card - Panasonic PD drive - Eesox NEC4X4CDrom drive - PC586 card 133Mhz StrongArmed tedell@argonet.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 4 14:05:48 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40132 for david ; Wed, 04 Jun 97 14:05:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 865420022:10:14989:46; Wed, 04 Jun 97 11:27:02 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad1114243; 4 Jun 97 11:26 BST From:(Jack Evans) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 10:15:23 +0100 Organization: Sadly Lacking Subject: SwapCase - how now? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970603.101523.86@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 18:15:12 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I've tried to solve this off my own bat but must confess to being beaten. OP version is 2.36. According to the original Quick Reference Guide, Swap Case is Ctrl- Shft S but, no joy. In Impression it's Ctrl S, but the ImpKeys file in the AutoRun directory doesn't produce it either. I've also tried unsuccessfully to write a macro. Can someone give me a clue? -- Jack Evans From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 4 14:05:50 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40133 for david ; Wed, 04 Jun 97 14:05:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 865420169:10:15860:49; Wed, 04 Jun 97 11:29:29 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ah1114243; 4 Jun 97 11:28 BST From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 10:12:56 +0100 Organization: Subject: How to crash OP To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970603.101256.07@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 May 97 09:40:35 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Ovation Pro version 2.42 For info only, the following always crashes out OP: Open a window Select Menu..Page..New Chapter..After current chapter Insert incorrect number in 'Base on chapter' dialogue box, ie I put in 2 when I only had one chapter OP crashes out with type=3 error. -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 4 14:05:52 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40134 for david ; Wed, 04 Jun 97 14:05:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 865420243:10:16331:52; Wed, 04 Jun 97 11:30:43 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aj1114243; 4 Jun 97 11:30 BST From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 10:13:44 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: GDraw 2.94 or later To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970603.101344.73@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 May 97 09:31:11 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 27 May 97 (15:25:29 +0100), mohsen@qatar.net.qa wrote: >Anyone has a copy of GDraw module v2.94 or later? Every time I start >Ovation Pro (v 2.43) it gives me the error message "This application >needs GDraw 2.94 or newer". > >Many thanks >Mohsen Try the CC web site and find the free update to LaserDirect. I think it contains the latest version. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 4 14:05:55 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40135 for david ; Wed, 04 Jun 97 14:05:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 865420328:09:08978:123; Wed, 04 Jun 97 11:32:08 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id al1114243; 4 Jun 97 11:31 BST From:(Keith Parker) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 10:14:03 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: display of Artworks files within OvPro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970603.101403.08@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 May 97 22:01:48 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 27 May 97 (15:23:00 +0100), rbarrass@lucent.com wrote: > I was wondering, does anybody know how I can make Ovation Pro display > Artworks files with 'full' WYSIWYG. Currently, OvPro seems to display > them with a WYSIWG setting of '10' - ie, the edges of > aren't anti-aliased. Not only is the screen display, a touch ragged but it prints out exactly the same. Also, OvationPro doesn't seem to like printing out ArtWorks files with graduated fills properly. So as Richard says "Any help or ideas, much appreciated" :-) Keith -- keithp@argonet.co.uk | suep@argonet.co.uk Supporting British RISC technology :-) | A teacher using PCs and Macs :-( From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 4 14:05:57 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40136 for david ; Wed, 04 Jun 97 14:05:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 865420425:09:09698:61; Wed, 04 Jun 97 11:33:45 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id an1114243; 4 Jun 97 11:33 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 10:31:44 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Cataloguing Fonts To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970603.103144.71@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 10:20:47 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970603.101236.99@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I know this has been raised before, and seem to recall vague promises > that the method of font selection would be changed to one more in line > with that used by other applications. Is this going to happen, and if > so when? Despite being an otherwise excellent package, OvPro can > hardly justify the tag "professional" until it can easily access *all* > the fonts that a "professional" user might wish to use! Done for the final version. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 4 14:05:59 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40137 for david ; Wed, 04 Jun 97 14:05:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 865420488:10:17927:47; Wed, 04 Jun 97 11:34:48 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ar1114243; 4 Jun 97 11:34 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 10:32:22 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: SwapCase - how now? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970603.103222.68@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 10:29:32 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970603.101523.86@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I've tried to solve this off my own bat but must confess to being beaten. OP version is 2.36. > > According to the original Quick Reference Guide, Swap Case is Ctrl- > Shft S but, no joy. In Impression it's Ctrl S, but the ImpKeys file > in the AutoRun directory doesn't produce it either. I've also tried > unsuccessfully to write a macro. My guess is that you already have the keypresses mapped to something else or you have a module that is doing naughty things with keypresses, serialutils can cause the problems with the keyboard for example. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 4 14:06:02 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40138 for david ; Wed, 04 Jun 97 14:06:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 865420493:09:10261:63; Wed, 04 Jun 97 11:34:53 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ap1114243; 4 Jun 97 11:34 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 10:32:04 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: How to crash OP To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970603.103204.03@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 10:24:30 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970603.101256.07@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Ovation Pro version 2.42 > > For info only, the following always crashes out OP: > > Open a window > > Select Menu..Page..New Chapter..After current chapter > > Insert incorrect number in 'Base on chapter' dialogue box, ie I put in 2 when I > only had one chapter > > OP crashes out with type=3 error. OK, noted. I get the chapter break, but no chapter and no crash. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 4 14:06:04 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40139 for david ; Wed, 04 Jun 97 14:06:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 865420501:10:17927:123; Wed, 04 Jun 97 11:35:01 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id at1114243; 4 Jun 97 11:34 BST From:(Terry Devereux) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 10:15:01 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: ArtWorks files To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970603.101501.61@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 23:18:57 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 27 May, Joyce Burton wrote: > Can somebody help please. > I am using OvationPro 2.36 and have just bought a copy of ArtWorks but am > unable to load the ArtWorks files into OvationPro. I have read the > instructions in the release notes but even with OvationPro and ArtWorks loaded > at the same time, when I try to drop a picture into a frame I get the message > "Inserted file is of type ArtWork not text." If I proceed only lines of > characters and symbols are loaded. > > Joyce Burton I had the same problem! Try loading the Applet !OArtwrks buried deep within OvationPro - this cures it! -- Terry Devereux Artist/Calligrapher Gloucestershire United Kingdom. Telephone: 01452-740785 From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 4 14:06:07 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40140 for david ; Wed, 04 Jun 97 14:06:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 865420525:09:10304:59; Wed, 04 Jun 97 11:35:25 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id av1114243; 4 Jun 97 11:35 BST From:(Carl Cepurneek) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 10:14:24 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Cataloguing Fonts To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970603.101424.21@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 13:12:43 +0930 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Dave wrote... >I am trying to produce a pamphlet size catalogue of all my fonts using an >Ovation script. .... >printing an error box appeared to the effect that the cache was not big enough. > As I have FontMax set on 1020K (the maximum I believe) and I have a total of On a perallel path, I'm also working on a font catalogue program, but one specific to the fonts help by '!Atlanta' a, IMHO, very fine, though still developing, shareware program by Dave McCormack. The approach I'm using is to produce drawfiles of text objects. In this way, printing each page of the catalogue only requires the fonts for that page to be installed. BTW Atlanta makes it possible to organise your font collection into a sensible directory / subdirectory system and install/un-install whatever you need for a particular job. Best of all, dragging a document into Atlanta cause all the needed fonts to be installed automatically - works with OvationPro docs very well even though the program says it doesn't recognise the file type. Latest release was beta from http://www.atlantic.oaktree.co.uk - limit of 77 fonts then but being fixed. Regards, cpc From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 4 14:06:09 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40141 for david ; Wed, 04 Jun 97 14:06:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 865420559:10:17994:84; Wed, 04 Jun 97 11:35:59 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ax1114243; 4 Jun 97 11:35 BST From:(Richard Travers) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 10:12:36 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Cataloguing Fonts To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970603.101236.99@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 May 97 10:35:14 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 27 May 97 (15:27:16 +0100), dwilliams@argonet.co.uk wrote: > Having produced my catalogue I tried to print it. After about 2 inches > of printing an error box appeared to the effect that the cache was not > big enough. As I have FontMax set on 1020K (the maximum I believe) and > I have a total of 50 Megabytes of memory I was frustrated. One possibility is that you are trying to print a font that is corrupted. There are a number of these on, for example, the EFF PD Fonts CDRom, and they can produce this particular error message. I, too, have just been through the exercise of printing out all my fonts for cataloguing purposes, although I was doing it manually (some 250 pages at 12 fonts per page). This exercise highlighted the problems of the OvPro font selection system. In a considerable number of cases it was not possible to select a particular font style or weight (for example where a font had both demi-bold and bold weights), while in others it was pot luck which combination of font name/bold/italic produced the desired effect. I know this has been raised before, and seem to recall vague promises that the method of font selection would be changed to one more in line with that used by other applications. Is this going to happen, and if so when? Despite being an otherwise excellent package, OvPro can hardly justify the tag "professional" until it can easily access *all* the fonts that a "professional" user might wish to use! -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Richard Travers |*ZFC*| 01736 | Spuddlers of the | | richt@argonet.co.uk |**B**| 757941 | World Unite!! | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 4 14:06:15 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40142 for david ; Wed, 04 Jun 97 14:06:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 865420595:09:10903:59; Wed, 04 Jun 97 11:36:35 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bb1114243; 4 Jun 97 11:35 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 10:13:25 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Answers To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970603.101325.68@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 May 97 16:28:27 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From:(Richard Barrass) >I was wondering, does anybody know how I can make Ovation Pro display >Artworks files with 'full' WYSIWYG. Currently, OvPro seems to display >them with a WYSIWG setting of '10' - ie, the edges of >aren't anti-aliased. I'll stick an interface in the next version... From:(Peter Bond) >Is it possible to have quite different master pages between different >chapters? I cannot see how to create a master page, other than the >first, with columns. Yes. Just use Edit master pages, then page guidelines. >One sometimes needs to print just one sheet from a pamphlet because >of poor proof-reading or late changes of mind. It isn't described >explicitly in the manual but it's easy to do. >I had a 3-sheet pamphlet (12 sides of A5) and needed to re-print just >the centre sheet. I selected pages 3 to 10, Front, and Pause; when >the first side containing pages 3 & 10 had been printed I selected >Cancel; then changed to Back and Printed again on the back of the >paper which gave me pages 4 & 9. Eeek. Expand the print dialogue box 'Print Setup' then click on Print Sheet. From:(David Williams) >I have been successful to some extent but have discovered that the setfont() >function does not work unless the font menu has been opened first!! A call of caretcontext() before using setfont() required. I think. >Having produced my catalogue I tried to print it. After about 2 inches of >printing an error box appeared to the effect that the cache was not big enough. >As I have FontMax set on 1020K (the maximum I believe) and I have a total of >50 Megabytes of memory I was frustrated. Surprising. To some extent I'd like to have a look at the document. I guess there are explanations like cacheing fonts in the printer. From:(OvationPro Mailing List) >In an Applet, I am attempting to determine whether a particular style >is present on some selected text and am having some difficulty. >In particular the addstyle() function appears to flip the style i.e. if >it is already present it turns it off. So if I have a particular style >called say "Highlight", how do I determine whether it is already >present or not? The style handles do not appear to be consistent >between userstyle and currentstyle. What I really need (I think) >is a function such as - iscurrentstylename(string &name) - that >returns non-zero if the style identified by &name is current at the >caret or throughout the selection. getuserstyle() returns the style key value, i.e. a unique invariant number associated with that style name. getcurrentstyle() returns the key value of the current styles. I suspect that in old versions of OPro these functions just returned 1 or 0, true or false. Actually don't you just emulate the menus, use getuserstyle() to produce an index for the style i.e. "Highlight" is returned by the 10th call, and then use iscurrentstyle(index) - where index=9. From:(Ariancylch) >Impression file format Interesting subject. I guess one just has to hack it. Once you work out the file format then things are relatively easy. I think I can say that if anyone wanted to tackle this project seriously, then we'd be interested to hear from them. I believe that it is a perfectly feasible project, but some determination would be needed, and quite possibly some insight into how a DTP program works. David Pilling From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 10 13:51:38 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40409 for david ; Tue, 10 Jun 97 13:51:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 865928541:06:29016:45; Tue, 10 Jun 97 08:42:21 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad1304743; 10 Jun 97 8:42 BST From:(Rob Hemmings) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 08:48:25 +0100 Organization: Subject: Two (scaled) copies of an A4 page on one A4 sheet To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970605.084825.86@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 97 07:53:00 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Is there an easy way of printing two A5 or two (reduced size) A4 pages sideways on a sheet of A4 paper. (This would be equivalent to the "fit lots" facility in Impression.) I often use this when designing A5 posters. I design them as A4 or A5 and then print two copies side by side on a landscape sheet of A4 paper so that they can be photocopied conveniently and then split up. The nearest thing I can find is Ovation's galley printing but I can't find a way of repeating the same page. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 10 13:51:40 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40410 for david ; Tue, 10 Jun 97 13:51:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 865928580:05:00385:45; Tue, 10 Jun 97 08:43:00 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac1304743; 10 Jun 97 8:40 BST From:(Keith Parker) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 08:48:05 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: SwapCase - how now? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970605.084805.52@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Jun 97 21:53:30 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 3 Jun 97 (10:15:23 +0100), jack@snave.demon.co.uk wrote: > I've tried to solve this off my own bat but must confess to being > beaten. OP version is 2.36. I've got 2.42. > According to the original Quick Reference Guide, Swap Case is Ctrl- > Shft S but, no joy. In Impression it's Ctrl S, but the ImpKeys file > in the AutoRun directory doesn't produce it either. I've also tried > unsuccessfully to write a macro. > Can someone give me a clue? Strange, Shift-Control S works fine for me. Have you loaded any macros? Keith -- keithp@argonet.co.uk | suep@argonet.co.uk Supporting British RISC technology :-) | A teacher using PCs and Macs :-( From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 10 13:51:44 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40411 for david ; Tue, 10 Jun 97 13:51:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 865928711:05:01063:45; Tue, 10 Jun 97 08:45:11 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id af1304743; 10 Jun 97 8:43 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 09:16:39 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Two (scaled) copies of an A4 page on one A4 sheet To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970605.091639.83@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 09:14:53 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970605.084825.86@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Is there an easy way of printing two A5 or two (reduced size) A4 pages sideways > on a sheet of A4 paper. (This would be equivalent to the "fit lots" facility > in Impression.) No not yet, you should be able to do this with the final release. You could duplicate the content onto a second page then galley would work. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 17 14:01:18 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40647 for david ; Tue, 17 Jun 97 14:01:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 866532135:05:12826:44; Tue, 17 Jun 97 08:22:15 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ag0610687; 17 Jun 97 8:21 BST From:(John Mills) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:38:13 +0100 Organization: Baglan IT Centre Subject: When will the upgrade arrive? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970616.093813.03@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:07:07 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Having visited the BEEBUG web site, mention is made that the colour-sup etc upgrade of OvPro would be made in April. As I look out of the window on this sunny June day, I keep wondering "Will it arrive today?" When will it eventually arrive? John Mills. Baglan IT Centre (http://www.baglanit.org.uk) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 17 14:01:21 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40648 for david ; Tue, 17 Jun 97 14:01:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 866532196:05:13116:45; Tue, 17 Jun 97 08:23:16 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ah0610687; 17 Jun 97 8:22 BST From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:36:23 +0100 Organization: Subject: Errant Apostrophe To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970616.093623.32@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 97 09:18:53 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Hi I realise in the freshness of a new dawn that my wording about Ovation Pro and the apostrophe may not have been concise. Sorreeee. I understand how and why it happens... (Switch off Smart quotes). But I don't understand why a Smart quote apostrophe is translated as =91 considering ASCII 91 is an opening square bracket. [ Dave -- _________________________________________________________________________ ....ARGONET /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines.... Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... Don't do today, what you can put off until tomorrow. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 17 14:01:24 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40649 for david ; Tue, 17 Jun 97 14:01:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 866532278:05:13466:44; Tue, 17 Jun 97 08:24:38 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aj0610687; 17 Jun 97 8:23 BST From:(Carl Cepurneek) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:36:41 +0100 Organization: Subject: Customising / cloning? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970616.093641.98@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 17:08:20 +0930 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Greetings, A colleague has recently upgraded to a RiscPC and, naturally, to OvationPro. Wanting to share macros (some from this list) button icons etc, I was wondering... Could there be a utility (or might it be a feature of the OPro upgrade?) to easily set up one copy of OvationPro to have the look and feel of another? eg: 1) Save everything about OPro's state that is not factory default -- tool bar layout, macros, button sprites, stationary etc. 2) Transfere all this to another copy of OPro on another machine? (Having saved its original state first no doubt.) 3) Better, be able to selectivly install aspects of one setup into another. Seems there must be a better way than having to know that the sprite buttons are in resources.UK.Sprites22 or something like that, and that the macro definitions and keys are somewhere else. Any thoughts, cpc To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 17 14:01:26 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40650 for david ; Tue, 17 Jun 97 14:01:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 866532279:05:13477:44; Tue, 17 Jun 97 08:24:39 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id al0610687; 17 Jun 97 8:24 BST From:(David Graddol) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:37:17 +0100 Organization: The English Co UK Ltd Subject: DDL problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970616.093717.98@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:12:36 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I've several times seen the advice on this list to export problem Ovation files as DDL and then reimport them into Ovation. I have a large(ish) document (68 pages, c. 9 MB) which exports OK, but will not load back into Ovation. I get an error message of the kind 'Unknown object at 9806'. Apart from one or two minor strangenesses (which may be my version of OP) funnies, the document seems OK in Ovation, but I am worried that after so much editing and manipulation (it contains many graphics, overlaid frames, font changes etc ..) that it may contain some funnies which show up when I try to output the file to film. I'm using 2.36 (and eagerly awaiting the new version, as I'm also using spot colour). Any idea what might be going wrong or how I might cure it? David To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 17 14:01:29 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40651 for david ; Tue, 17 Jun 97 14:01:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 866532287:06:12724:45; Tue, 17 Jun 97 08:24:47 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id an0610687; 17 Jun 97 8:24 BST From:("Roger Darlington") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:37:36 +0100 Organization: University of Salford Subject: Re: SwapCase - how now? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970616.093736.40@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:12:01 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Keith Parker asks why CTRL-SHIFT-S will not swap case. On my OP it is just CTRL-S that swaps case (version 2.42), and CTRL-SHIFT-S brings up the text size menu. Perhaps I have other applets loaded too. However, if the highlighted text has been capitalised using (from the 'Modify Text' menu, for instance) then no amount of CTRL-S ing will put the text back into small smalls! In this case CTRL-S just toggles the text between CAPITALS and SMALL CAPITALS (which I can't seem to do in e-mail). I think perhaps OP should be amended so that if text is in SMALL CAPITALS, then doing a CTRL-S should put into into small smalls. Roger. Roger Darlington 1 fells Grove Worsley Manchester M28 7JN Home Tel - (0161) 799 9845 R.W.DARLINGTON@acoustics.salford.ac.uk Work Tel - (0161) 295 3399 It's all done by mirrors To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 17 14:01:31 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40652 for david ; Tue, 17 Jun 97 14:01:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 866532355:05:13841:47; Tue, 17 Jun 97 08:25:55 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ap0610687; 17 Jun 97 8:25 BST From:(Stephen Wright) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:35:28 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: SwapCase - how now? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970616.093528.79@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 20:28:53 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 03 Jun, Jack Evans wrote: > According to the original Quick Reference Guide, Swap Case is Ctrl- > Shft S but, no joy. In Impression it's Ctrl S, but the ImpKeys file > in the AutoRun directory doesn't produce it either. I've also tried > unsuccessfully to write a macro. > > Can someone give me a clue? > Try {CS_S} as a macro for Ctrl S I also have: {Return} for Enter {'Enter} for Ctrl Enter Deals with the problem of creating new frames when you press Enter. {C_CLEFT} for Home {C_Right} for Copy (End) {'copy} for Delete This provides the PC keyboard layout. To allow abreviations to be deleted when the are expanded I had to modify the Abbrev aplet file !OvnPro.Applets.!Abbrev.Library.Abbrev by adding an ': // substitute abbreviation with expansion // I have added an apostrope before the Delete, this allows a // PC style delete to work OK. { s = "/" + s + "/"; i = abbrev_find(abbrev_string, s); if(i >= 0) type("{'Delete}" * l + s); } -- Stephen Wright @ Home To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 17 14:01:35 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40653 for david ; Tue, 17 Jun 97 14:01:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 866532355:05:13859:44; Tue, 17 Jun 97 08:25:55 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id at0610687; 17 Jun 97 8:25 BST From:(David Williams) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:36:04 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Cataloguing Fonts To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970616.093604.61@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 97 08:42:49 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 3 Jun 97 (10:12:36 +0100), richt@argonet.co.uk wrote: >On Tue 27 May 97 (15:27:16 +0100), dwilliams@argonet.co.uk wrote: > >> Having produced my catalogue I tried to print it. After about 2 >inches >> of printing an error box appeared to the effect that the cache was >not >> big enough. As I have FontMax set on 1020K (the maximum I believe) >and >> I have a total of 50 Megabytes of memory I was frustrated. > >One possibility is that you are trying to print a font that is >corrupted. There are a number of these on, for example, the EFF PD >Fonts CDRom, and they can produce this particular error message. I have now tried just loading about 3 pages of fonts at a time into OP and printing out 2 pages then deleting and loading more etc. This method has worked well until about the 15th page. All seems ok until I print and then I get a "Buffer Overflow" error. Both this and the error described above would seem to be the fault of a corrupt font. Finding this font is difficult and involves many pges of useless printing. It would be very helpful if OP produced a Corrupt Font error and stated which font was faulty. -- _________________________________ Dave ...dwilliams@argonet.co.uk _________________________________ To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 17 14:01:40 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40655 for david ; Tue, 17 Jun 97 14:01:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 866532357:06:13102:46; Tue, 17 Jun 97 08:25:57 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ar0610687; 17 Jun 97 8:25 BST From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:35:47 +0100 Organization: Subject: Errant Apostrophe To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970616.093547.28@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 97 22:03:27 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Hi Y'all It's nice to write up the stuff in Impression or Ovation Pro, tidy it up then import it into Voyager. I do this mostly for Email. With Impression (Publisher) this works okay... But................. As I'm gradually changing all my stuff over to Ovation Pro, I've encountered a problem. Stuff written in Ovation Pro, then dragged, Alt dragged, or plain Saved, then Shift dragged into Voyager, leaves a rather messy document. The apostrophes end up as =91 Thus It's becomes It=91s. Any one got any ideas why... please. And a solution. Thanks Dave -- _________________________________________________________________________ ....ARGONET /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines.... Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... Don't do today, what you can put off until tomorrow. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 17 14:01:44 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40657 for david ; Tue, 17 Jun 97 14:01:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 866532377:06:13345:48; Tue, 17 Jun 97 08:26:17 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id av0610687; 17 Jun 97 8:26 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:36:59 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Answers To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970616.093659.46@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 Jun 97 16:01:28 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 We resolved a couple of minor snags last week... Firstly "crashing when Choices is opened". It turns out this can happen if a program is running on the desktop doing continuous updates of sprite icons at the instant the choices window is opened. The two programs I am aware of are the Possum millenium clock and some versions of Octopus Systems Teletext software. The fix is to edit the ChoicesP template and change the icons from text+sprite to text only icons. *This is a rare problem and most users should leave things alone.* Secondly, it has been said that text in Draw files won't print on Caligraph printers. This is apparantly because these printers have problems with text at high addresses (dynamic areas). There is a module on my web pages (below) which converts font paints from high memory into font paints from low memory. Ignore this unless you have a Caligraph printer and are having problems. Don't confuse this problem with the old background blending one. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 17 14:01:49 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40659 for david ; Tue, 17 Jun 97 14:01:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 866532420:05:14086:45; Tue, 17 Jun 97 08:27:00 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ax0610687; 17 Jun 97 8:26 BST From: jbrand@jbwere.com.au Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:37:55 +0100 Organization: Subject: RE: Two (scaled) copies of an A4 page on one A4 sheet To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970616.093755.02@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:24:36 +1000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Duplicating the page in the document should work with galley printing. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Hemmings [SMTP Sent: Thursday, 5 June 1997 17:48 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Subject: Two (scaled) copies of an A4 page on one A4 sheet Is there an easy way of printing two A5 or two (reduced size) A4 pages sideways on a sheet of A4 paper. (This would be equivalent to the "fit lots" facility in Impression.) I often use this when designing A5 posters. I design them as A4 or A5 and then print two copies side by side on a landscape sheet of A4 paper so that they can be photocopied conveniently and then split up. The nearest thing I can find is Ovation's galley printing but I can't find a way of repeating the same page. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 rhemmings@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 20 13:44:38 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40859 for david ; Fri, 20 Jun 97 13:44:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 866797923:05:04647:44; Fri, 20 Jun 97 10:12:03 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0504404; 20 Jun 97 10:11 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:12:49 +0100 Organization: Subject: RISC User applet To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970620.101249.06@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 97 02:37:30 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Maybe of interest that there is an OPro applet on the May '97 RISC User disc - the one that came this week... This applet is an implementation of the old 'mines' game. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 20 13:44:41 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40860 for david ; Fri, 20 Jun 97 13:44:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 866797960:06:27265:45; Fri, 20 Jun 97 10:12:40 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ag0504404; 20 Jun 97 10:12 BST From:(Steve) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:12:29 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: When will the upgrade arrive? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970620.101229.13@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 97 11:30:26 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 16 Jun 97 (09:38:13 +0100), jmills@baglanit.org.uk wrote: >Having visited the BEEBUG web site, mention is made that the colour-sup >etc upgrade of OvPro would be made in April. > I have just received the May issue of Risc User, perhaps there calender is wrong. In it there is an applet which requires OP V>2.42. My version is 2.36, when is the upgrade arriving? Steve -- Steve Knattress (on an Acorn RiscPC(StrongArm)) knatt@argonet.co.uk (or Psion3a & 3Fax running ReadCis usually on ) 100722,1633@Compuserve.com To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 20 13:44:44 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40861 for david ; Fri, 20 Jun 97 13:44:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 866797990:05:05201:44; Fri, 20 Jun 97 10:13:10 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ai0504404; 20 Jun 97 10:12 BST From:(Chris Johnson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:13:06 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Answers To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970620.101306.65@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 16:57:53 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 16 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > > Secondly, it has been said that text in Draw files won't print on > Caligraph printers. This is apparantly because these printers have > problems with text at high addresses (dynamic areas). There is a module > on my web pages (below) which converts font paints from high memory > into font paints from low memory. > Very many thanks David - you have done it again 8-)) After installing the fix, my calligraph now prints text in drawfiles in Ovation perfectly. Chris -- C H R I S J O H N S O N mailto:C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk Chemistry Department, Heriot-Watt University, EDINBURGH EH14 4AS Phone: 0131 449 5111 x4116 Fax: 0131 451 3180 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 20 13:44:47 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40862 for david ; Fri, 20 Jun 97 13:44:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 866792024:09:29812:44; Fri, 20 Jun 97 08:33:44 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ae1019542; 20 Jun 97 8:32 BST From:(Chris Johnson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:06:34 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Errant Apostrophe To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970619.110634.31@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 09:44:40 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 16 Jun, D.A.Symes wrote: > > Stuff written in Ovation Pro, then dragged, Alt dragged, or plain > Saved, then Shift dragged into Voyager, leaves a rather messy document. > > The apostrophes end up as =91 > Thus It's becomes It=91s. > Any one got any ideas why... please. And a solution. > The character corresponding to ascii hexadecimal 91 (decimal 145) is the top bit set closing single quote. You must have the fancy quotes turned on in Ovation, but not in Impression. Chris -- C H R I S J O H N S O N mailto:C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk Chemistry Department, Heriot-Watt University, EDINBURGH EH14 4AS Phone: 0131 449 5111 x4116 Fax: 0131 451 3180 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 20 13:44:50 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40863 for david ; Fri, 20 Jun 97 13:44:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 866792086:10:20805:44; Fri, 20 Jun 97 08:34:46 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ag1019542; 20 Jun 97 8:33 BST From:(Richard Travers) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:07:11 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Errant Apostrophe To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970619.110711.21@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 97 10:33:20 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 16 Jun 97 (09:35:47 +0100), df.symes@argonet.co.uk wrote: > Stuff written in Ovation Pro, then dragged, Alt dragged, or plain > Saved, then Shift dragged into Voyager, leaves a rather messy document. > > The apostrophes end up as =91 > Thus It's becomes It=91s. > Any one got any ideas why... please. And a solution. =91 is a "Smart" (sexed) apostrophe. Turn off Smart Quotes! -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Richard Travers |*ZFC*| 01736 | Spuddlers of the | | richt@argonet.co.uk |**B**| 757941 | World Unite!! | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 20 13:44:53 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40864 for david ; Fri, 20 Jun 97 13:44:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 866792106:09:00288:44; Fri, 20 Jun 97 08:35:06 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ai1019542; 20 Jun 97 8:34 BST From:(Richard Travers) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:07:29 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Errant Apostrophe To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970619.110729.01@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 97 15:25:56 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 16 Jun 97 (09:36:23 +0100), df.symes@argonet.co.uk wrote: > I understand how and why it happens... (Switch off Smart quotes). > But I don't understand why a Smart quote apostrophe is translated as > =91 considering ASCII 91 is an opening square bracket. [ > Because the 91 is in Hex, not decimal. i.e. = decimal 145. ASCII 145 is a "sexed" apostrophe. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Richard Travers |*ZFC*| 01736 | Spuddlers of the | | richt@argonet.co.uk |**B**| 757941 | World Unite!! | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 20 13:44:56 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40865 for david ; Fri, 20 Jun 97 13:44:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 866792191:09:00778:46; Fri, 20 Jun 97 08:36:31 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ak1019542; 20 Jun 97 8:36 BST From:(Fred Bambrough) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:08:06 +0100 Organization: Home Subject: Re: Answers To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970619.110806.29@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 20:40:28 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:36:59 +0100, david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > Secondly, it has been said that text in Draw files won't print on Caligraph > printers. This is apparantly because these printers have problems with text > at high addresses (dynamic areas). There is a module on my web pages (below) > which converts font paints from high memory into font paints from low > memory. > > Ignore this unless you have a Caligraph printer and are having problems. > Don't confuse this problem with the old background blending one. Actually, I've been having this problem with a Canon BJ200. This is using web pages that have been saved as draw files. I find I have to do a convert to path before transferring to OP. Not a pretty sight especially after going through ArcFax. Come to think of it, that's another 'printer' this problem occurs with. -- Fred---------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 20 13:44:59 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40866 for david ; Fri, 20 Jun 97 13:44:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 866792255:09:01116:52; Fri, 20 Jun 97 08:37:35 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ao1019542; 20 Jun 97 8:37 BST From:(Richard Travers) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:06:16 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Cataloguing Fonts To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970619.110616.55@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 97 11:22:27 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 16 Jun 97 (09:36:04 +0100), dwilliams@argonet.co.uk wrote: > Both this and the error described above would seem to be the fault of a > corrupt font. Finding this font is difficult and involves many pges > of useless > printing. > When I was doing this exercise, I found a number of ways of identifying the corrupt fonts. Acorn's "Chars" application is a bit more sensitive than the equivalent OvPro application, and would frequently balk at a font that OvPro displayed but would not print. Similarly, dropping a Font into !FontEd would usually identify a problem font (!FontEd would not accept it). If it's any help, I have found the following fonts to be unprintable: Twig (an old one, source long since forgotten) Fleurons (EFF PD-CDRom) KeyTop (EFF PD-CDRom) Kibosans Condensed (EFF PD-CDRom) I may well have missed some here, I seem to remember having had problems with more than this! > It would be very helpful if OP produced a Corrupt Font error and stated > which font was faulty. Wouldn't that be nice :-) -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Richard Travers |*ZFC*| 01736 | Spuddlers of the | | richt@argonet.co.uk |**B**| 757941 | World Unite!! | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 20 13:45:02 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40867 for david ; Fri, 20 Jun 97 13:45:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 866792268:09:01161:44; Fri, 20 Jun 97 08:37:48 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aq1019542; 20 Jun 97 8:37 BST From:("Sveinung W. Tengelsen") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:06:52 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Customising / cloning? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970619.110652.78@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 15:52:42 +0000 (GMT+1) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 16 Jun, Carl Cepurneek wrote: > Greetings, > > A colleague has recently upgraded to a RiscPC and, naturally, to > OvationPro. Wanting to share macros (some from this list) button icons etc, > I was wondering... > > Could there be a utility (or might it be a feature of the OPro upgrade?) to > easily set up one copy of OvationPro to have the look and feel of another? > eg: > > 1) Save everything about OPro's state that is not factory default -- tool > bar layout, macros, button sprites, stationary etc. > > 2) Transfere all this to another copy of OPro on another machine? (Having > saved its original state first no doubt.) > > 3) Better, be able to selectivly install aspects of one setup into another. > > Seems there must be a better way than having to know that the sprite > buttons are in resources.UK.Sprites22 or something like that, and that the > macro definitions and keys are somewhere else. > > Any thoughts, I agree. A possible solution is doing what Guttorm Vik recently did with StrongED - put all the "frozen" stuff (like configurations, word- dicts, hyphen-dicts etc.) into a directory which isn't affected by program updates, !StrED_cfg in StrongED's case. Basically I feel that both !OvnResDir and !Words could be in a separate folder/application directory, either in the same directory as !OvnPro or in !Boot.Choices. David? 8) PS - Another StrongED feature worth copying: Save state of programs' windows/dialogue-boxes. It's *so* irritating having to drag those to their preferred positions *every* time OP is started! -- Regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- mailto:pixeleye@sn.no | I have one illusion; http://www.sn.no/~pixeleye/Index.htm | I have no illusions. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 20 13:45:05 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40868 for david ; Fri, 20 Jun 97 13:45:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 866792269:10:21862:44; Fri, 20 Jun 97 08:37:49 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id am1019542; 20 Jun 97 8:37 BST From:(Alan Adams +44 1327 356463) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:05:57 +0100 Organization: Subject: Inserting and deleting pages To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970619.110557.13@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 09:30:48 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 A couple of problems: 1 I have created a document intended for pamphlet printing, with two master pages set up as facing pages. If after setting up a number of pages, I insert a page in the middle, the contents of each following page move down one page. However, the page margins are set up so that the printable area on odd pages is offset right from the even pages. The frames which are moved down also need to move sideways by this offset. As it is, I need to go through every following page, and move every frame. 2 I periodically get an additional blank page after the end of the document. If it is, say, shown as page 9, and I click in it, then select "delete page", it offers to delete page 8. If I change the number to 9 and delete, the page persists. I have discovered that the following fixes it: Go through all the preceding pages until the problem is fixed. On each in turn, select the frame which encloses the whole page, (not the master frame, but the next one up) and bring it to the front. It should appear blank. Use Edit - Select All. Nothing will appear selected, except the frame itself. Press delete. Move the frame to the back again. When this is done, the spurious page will disappear. Only one preceding page needs fixing, but trial and error seems to be the only way to find out which one. An additional indication of the problem is that there will be text overflow arrows showing at the bottom of pages. I cannot remember the Ovation version, but it's fairly recent, purchased in February this year. Alan Adams. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 20 13:45:08 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40869 for david ; Fri, 20 Jun 97 13:45:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 866792283:09:01266:44; Fri, 20 Jun 97 08:38:03 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id as1019542; 20 Jun 97 8:37 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:36:44 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Inserting and deleting pages To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970619.113644.77@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:22:48 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970619.110557.13@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > 1 I have created a document intended for pamphlet printing, with two > master pages set up as facing pages. > > If after setting up a number of pages, I insert a page in the middle, the > contents of each following page move down one page. However, the page margins > are set up so that the printable area on odd pages is offset right from the > even pages. The frames which are moved down also need to move sideways by this > offset. > > As it is, I need to go through every following page, and move every frame. Yes I can see what you are saying, and I don't think there is a way around it. Of course it is generally a good idea to insert and delete pages in pairs when working on double-sided documents. > 2 I periodically get an additional blank page after the end of the > document. If it is, say, shown as page 9, and I click in it, then select > "delete page", it offers to delete page 8. If I change the number to 9 and > delete, the page persists. > > I have discovered that the following fixes it: > > Go through all the preceding pages until the problem is fixed. On each in > turn, select the frame which encloses the whole page, (not the master frame, > but the next one up) and bring it to the front. It should appear blank. Use > Edit - Select All. Nothing will appear selected, except the frame itself. > Press delete. Move the frame to the back again. > > When this is done, the spurious page will disappear. Only one preceding page > needs fixing, but trial and error seems to be the only way to find out which > one. It appears you are creating another frame on top of the default master frame if I read what you are saying correctly. Pages are created automatically in Ovation Pro, if the frame you are creating fully covers the default master frame a new page will be created because there is no room on the default master frame for the caret (or the page throw character). You should be able to identify the page that is causing the extra page throw because you cannot get the caret into the default master frame. You can also make the text flow runaround set to none on the frame. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 20 13:45:12 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40870 for david ; Fri, 20 Jun 97 13:45:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 866792352:09:01606:44; Fri, 20 Jun 97 08:39:12 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id au1019542; 20 Jun 97 8:38 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:37:03 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Answers To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970619.113703.13@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:33:39 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970619.110806.29@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Ignore this unless you have a Caligraph printer and are having problems. > > Don't confuse this problem with the old background blending one. > > Actually, I've been having this problem with a Canon BJ200. This is using > web pages that have been saved as draw files. I find I have to do a > convert to path before transferring to OP. Not a pretty sight especially > after going through ArcFax. Come to think of it, that's another 'printer' > this problem occurs with. Are you sure this isn't the background blending problem? For reference if it is: RISC OS 3.70 - as with the Strong ARM, supports aliasing of text on non solid background colours. So if you have RISC OS 3.70 we enable that feature. Problem seems to be that the Acorn printer drivers, don't realise that they should not do this. If you have, say CC Laser direct, or don't have 3.70, then none of this matters. Otherwise, these are the solutions. (1) The official fix. Load !OvnPro.AutoRun.!Custom into Edit. Remove these two lines; fontsetup(fontbits,0,0,0); pixsetup(fontbits,0x2,0,0); Resave and rerun OPro. (2) The high risk fix. Put the following file in !OvnPro.Library (type B24) --------------------------------------8<--------------------------------------- //->!Customfix void customprintfix(int fontbits, int file) { fontsetup(fontbits,0,0,0); pixsetup(fontbits,0x2,0,0); } void main(void) { string s; int fontbits; int EVENT_PRSTART = 0x10c; int EVENT_PREND = 0x10d; s="RMEnsure FontManager 3.35 Error 0"; fontbits=(osclis(s)==0); fontsetup(fontbits,0,0,0); pixsetup(fontbits,0x2,0,0); addeventhandler(EVENT_PRSTART, 0, "customprintfix"); addeventhandler(EVENT_PREND, fontbits, "customprintfix"); } ---------------------------------------8<------------------------------------------ (1) switches off the feature permanently. (2) merely disables it whilst printing is going on. You might get some untidy redraws on screen during printing, but not too bad in general. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 20 13:45:15 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA40871 for david ; Fri, 20 Jun 97 13:45:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 866792373:10:22430:48; Fri, 20 Jun 97 08:39:33 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aw1019542; 20 Jun 97 8:38 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:07:46 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Answers To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970619.110747.00@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 97 17:20:36 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From:(John Mills) >Having visited the BEEBUG web site, mention is made that the colour-sup >etc upgrade of OvPro would be made in April. >When will it eventually arrive? The great upgrade shipment has begun this week. I'm sorry if the promised deadlines were not kept to. From our point of view it was always attractive to wait another week or two and add some new features. From:(Carl Cepurneek) >Could there be a utility (or might it be a feature of the OPro upgrade?) to >easily set up one copy of OvationPro to have the look and feel of another? Nice idea. I suspect there are ports of UNIX tools like diff and patch which will do this for any collection of files. Simpler probably you just copy the whole program except the bit which is personalised to you (I'm talking copy protection here). As far as I know, thats the !RunImage. Acorns (little known/used) patch program might be a route? From:(David Graddol) >I've several times seen the advice on this list to export problem Ovation files >as DDL and then reimport them into Ovation. I have a large(ish) document (68 >pages, c. 9 MB) which exports OK, but will not load back into Ovation. I get >an error message of the kind 'Unknown object at 9806'. First thing, have a look around line 9806, and see if it is obviously wrong. Perhaps we need to discuss this privately... From:("Roger Darlington") >However, if the highlighted text has been capitalised using Caps> (from the 'Modify Text' menu, for instance) then no amount of >CTRL-S ing will put the text back into small smalls! In this case >CTRL-S just toggles the text between CAPITALS and SMALL CAPITALS >(which I can't seem to do in e-mail). The rule is that Ctrl S just changes the underlying caps state of the text. I'm not keen for it to start changing styles. From:(David Williams) >I have now tried just loading about 3 pages of fonts at a time into OP and >printing out 2 pages then deleting and loading more etc. >This method has worked well until about the 15th page. All seems ok until I >print and then I get a "Buffer Overflow" error. This does sound like a font problem - a font whose characters are too complex. Created with D2Font 8-) maybe? >It would be very helpful if OP produced a Corrupt Font error and stated which >font was faulty. Yep but not necessarily simple. Because OPro will get an error for a whole line of text which might contain many fonts. I wonder if loading the fonts into FontEd one at a time might find it. From:(D.A.Symes) >It's nice to write up the stuff in Impression or Ovation Pro, tidy it up >then import it into Voyager. I do this mostly for Email. >The apostrophes end up as =91 As you say smart quotes, and 91 is the hex code not decimal. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 25 14:09:51 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41058 for david ; Wed, 25 Jun 97 14:09:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 867224570:09:02324:46; Wed, 25 Jun 97 08:42:50 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id af1128498; 25 Jun 97 8:42 BST From:(Jack Evans) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:47:57 +0100 Organization: Sadly Lacking Subject: WordHound with OP To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970624.104757.37@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 12:15:21 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Am I alone in finding that OP in combination with that excellent program !WordHound - dictionary and full version of Roget's th This is using a RPC with SA, OP V2.36 and WH V1.21. -- Jack Evans To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 25 14:09:57 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41059 for david ; Wed, 25 Jun 97 14:09:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 867224804:10:23883:50; Wed, 25 Jun 97 08:46:44 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ar1128498; 25 Jun 97 8:46 BST From:(Tim King) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:48:57 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Cataloguing Fonts To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970624.104857.17@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:31:36 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Thu 19 Jun, Richard Travers wrote: > On Mon 16 Jun 97 (09:36:04 +0100), dwilliams@argonet.co.uk wrote: > If it's any help, I have found the following fonts to be unprintable: > > Twig (an old one, source long since forgotten) > Fleurons (EFF PD-CDRom) > KeyTop (EFF PD-CDRom) > Kibosans Condensed (EFF PD-CDRom) > As far as the EFF PD set goes, I did a complete printout and all(?) of the duds turned out to be wrong namings ie Intmetrics name differed from Outlines and/or font name. Easiest fix (because I'm lazy) is !FontNamer from Fabis. David suggested some characters may have been too complex - created with D2Font? Well, yes, I've had that problem occassionally too ;-) Tim -- Complexity and Contradiction - in search of the absurd, the terrifying, and the fragile Tim King, De-Sign: ph +64 9 4783114, fax +64 9 4783164 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 25 14:10:01 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41060 for david ; Wed, 25 Jun 97 14:10:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 867224808:09:03614:48; Wed, 25 Jun 97 08:46:48 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ap1128498; 25 Jun 97 8:46 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:38:19 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Answers To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970624.113819.09@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:05:16 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970624.104836.61@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Are things like this and 'printchoices' resolved in the new release or > would it be useful to have a text file of fixes & options that can be > referenced? Yes both problems should now be solved. The ReadMe file is fairly accurate in listing the changes between versions. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 25 14:10:06 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41061 for david ; Wed, 25 Jun 97 14:10:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 867224817:09:03743:46; Wed, 25 Jun 97 08:46:57 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id an1128498; 25 Jun 97 8:46 BST From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:49:57 +0100 Organization: Subject: 2.46 and Applets menu To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970624.104957.36@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 97 13:53:39 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Hi, I appear to have lost the ability to save the state of the applets from the applets menu. If I untick, for instance, Colour Pallette Smart Quotes and Ligatures, I can no longer save that state and next time OP is booted they are ticked on again. I'm sure that wasn't the case in 2.42. Could anyone confirm it either way please? Note that this is not the same as clicking on them in the directory - which removes them from the menu altogether. Cheers, Ray Dawson -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 25 14:10:11 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41062 for david ; Wed, 25 Jun 97 14:10:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 867224857:10:24212:46; Wed, 25 Jun 97 08:47:37 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id at1128498; 25 Jun 97 8:47 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:38:38 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Applets not working To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970624.113838.27@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:17:11 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970624.104938.55@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I recently discovered the Ovation Pro site and downloaded some applets, > !Abbrev, !Filename, !Label and TransDte among them. I put them in the > 'Applets' directory inside !OvnPro as advised, and re-ran Ovation Pro (I > have version 2.36). !Abbrev worked a treat, but I could not get any > response from the others. I have read and re-read all the readme files, but > I can't see what I'm doing wrong. This has confused me (not hard). !Label and !TransDte are not on the web site as far as I am aware. Can you supply further information? -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 25 14:10:15 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41063 for david ; Wed, 25 Jun 97 14:10:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 867224900:10:24520:47; Wed, 25 Jun 97 08:48:20 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ax1128498; 25 Jun 97 8:47 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:38:57 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: 2.46 and Applets menu To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970624.113857.08@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:22:41 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970624.104957.36@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Hi, > > I appear to have lost the ability to save the state of the applets from the > applets menu. > > If I untick, for instance, Colour Pallette Smart Quotes and Ligatures, I can no > longer save that state and next time OP is booted they are ticked on again. > > I'm sure that wasn't the case in 2.42. Could anyone confirm it either way > please? I wasn't aware that Smart Quotes and Ligatures saved their state. Although it is possible to do this. As an aside it is possible to change the default setting of the palettes (open or closed), by altering the applet. For the Colour, Style and Page palette applets the relevant variables are colpal_palette, stylepal_palette and pagepal_toolbox. Set these to 0 at the start of the applet to turn the palettes off by default or to 1 to turn them on. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 25 14:10:20 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41064 for david ; Wed, 25 Jun 97 14:10:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 867224902:10:24385:102; Wed, 25 Jun 97 08:48:22 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id av1128498; 25 Jun 97 8:47 BST From:(Fred Bambrough) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:48:36 +0100 Organization: Home Subject: Re: Answers To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970624.104836.61@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 18:32:05 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:37:03 +0100, imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: > In message <19970619.110806.29@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > Ignore this unless you have a Caligraph printer and are having problems. > > > Don't confuse this problem with the old background blending one. > > > > Actually, I've been having this problem with a Canon BJ200. This is using > > web pages that have been saved as draw files. I find I have to do a > > convert to path before transferring to OP. Not a pretty sight especially > > after going through ArcFax. Come to think of it, that's another 'printer' > > this problem occurs with. > > Are you sure this isn't the background blending problem? As it turns out, yes. I tried the 'risky' method with no apparent problems. Thanks, makes a big difference. Are things like this and 'printchoices' resolved in the new release or would it be useful to have a text file of fixes & options that can be referenced? -- Fred---------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 25 14:10:25 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41065 for david ; Wed, 25 Jun 97 14:10:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 867224904:10:24524:52; Wed, 25 Jun 97 08:48:24 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id az1128498; 25 Jun 97 8:48 BST From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:49:17 +0100 Organization: Subject: Repeating Frames To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970624.104917.35@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 97 09:14:06 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 A long time ago I did have a brief exchange with someone at Beebug about the following problem. The answer the person gave, that they could see no reason why I'd want to do this particuar thing, was not much help as I still need to do it. So I'm wondering if anyone out there has some ideas. In Publisher, from which I'm migrating slowly, it's possible to insert repeating frames on the surface of the document. This means I can have a one chapter document. The Header, a surface mounted repeating frame (as per usual), will repeat itself as the document is filled. Partway down the document I want to change the Header text, this new header text will repeat itself as the document continues to fill. A few more pages down the document I want to change the Header text again, and this will repeat itself, and so on.... In Publisher this is easy to accomplish. Ovation Pro does not have this repeating frame option. So how can I achieve a single chapter document, with headers that are editable, as and when I want? Dave -- _________________________________________________________________________ ....ARGONET /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines.... Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... Don't do today, what you can put off until tomorrow. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 25 14:10:31 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41066 for david ; Wed, 25 Jun 97 14:10:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 867224965:09:04515:48; Wed, 25 Jun 97 08:49:25 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bb1128498; 25 Jun 97 8:48 BST From:(Tony Stauber) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:49:38 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Applets not working To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970624.104938.55@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 18:55:38 +0300 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I recently discovered the Ovation Pro site and downloaded some applets, !Abbrev, !Filename, !Label and TransDte among them. I put them in the 'Applets' directory inside !OvnPro as advised, and re-ran Ovation Pro (I have version 2.36). !Abbrev worked a treat, but I could not get any response from the others. I have read and re-read all the readme files, but I can't see what I'm doing wrong. In the ReadMe file for !Filename, for example, it says "Adds 'insert filename' to Applets menu and provides a sub-menu....etc.", but I do not appear to have an 'Applets' menu, and in the 'Insert' submenu, filename is not mentioned. !Calcs is the same, I don't get any 'calculator' option on any of the menus in my version of Ovation Pro. In the ReadMe file for !Label, it mentions a 'Label' sub-menu, but I don't get one. I could go on... Could someone please tell me what I've missed? I have checked that the Applets are not disabled. Am I supposed to do something with the !Scripts applet? It says I'm supposed to put suitable 'Library' scripts into !Scripts.Library, but if I do I get a message 'Error. Multiple definitions at line 7...etc.' There's also mention of a 'Scripts' option at the bottom of the main menu. I don't have this, the last option on my menu is 'Misc'. I've just loaded a French dictionary into Ovation Pro (it took about 20 minutes), and it spell-checks French text without a hitch, and I'm very impressed, so not all my news is bad. --- Tony Stauber: Language Teaching Institute, Doha, Qatar, Arabian Gulf To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 25 14:10:36 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA41067 for david ; Wed, 25 Jun 97 14:10:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 867224969:09:04583:43; Wed, 25 Jun 97 08:49:29 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bd1128498; 25 Jun 97 8:48 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:48:17 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Answers To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970624.104817.47@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 97 14:52:31 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From:(Chris Johnson) >> problems with text at high addresses (dynamic areas). There is a module >> on my web pages (below) which converts font paints from high memory >> into font paints from low memory. And there's now a new version (0.01) which does not scramble text with colour codes in... This fix should work with other programs besides OPro. From:("Sveinung W. Tengelsen") >I agree. A possible solution is doing what Guttorm Vik recently did >with StrongED - put all the "frozen" stuff (like configurations, word- >dicts, hyphen-dicts etc.) into a directory which isn't affected by >program updates, !StrED_cfg in StrongED's case. Basically I feel that >both !OvnResDir and !Words could be in a separate folder/application >directory, either in the same directory as !OvnPro or in !Boot.Choices. Well the !Words inside OPro is only used if you don't have an external one. So you can have global !Words and !UserWords which will be used by all your dictionary using programs (!Spell etc.). !OvnResDir is a mixture of things users should never touch, like the templates files, and other things like borders which they might want to add to. As to the rest, there's room for improvement. To some extent we're in a state of sin - we have been know to change function definitions. We could blow another 0.5Mb RAM allowing a nice user interface to everything everyone could ever want to customise - for now though letting users hack the program resources is the mechanism. >Another StrongED feature worth copying: Save state of programs' >windows/dialogue-boxes. It's *so* irritating having to drag >those to their preferred positions *every* time OP is started! I'd probably suggest editing the templates file. From:(Alan Adams +44 1327 356463) >If after setting up a number of pages, I insert a page in the middle, the >contents of each following page move down one page. However, the page margins >are set up so that the printable area on odd pages is offset right from the >even pages. The frames which are moved down also need to move sideways by this >offset. In my opinion if you insert a single page into a double sided document you should not be able to upset the parity of the pages - i.e. left hand pages should only appear on the left hand side of the document. There are strong logical reasons why this must be so. Although this does only apply to frames on the master pages. Now in the old Ovation program the above was not true, and documents often ended up in a mess. Beebug will give a medal to anyone who can explain convincingly the logic of the way the old program worked. So any chance you don't have OvationPro? David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l