From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 4 13:47:17 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32789 for david ; Tue, 04 Feb 97 13:47:16 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855044494:10:05912:47; Tue, 04 Feb 97 08:21:34 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-9.mail.demon.net id ac918041; 4 Feb 97 8:21 GMT From:(Colin Thompson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 08:14:44 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Errors To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970204.081444.56@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 09:37:20 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R Spellchecking offered me this the other day - N'Djamena Come on David - reveal all -- Colin Thompson colinet@ozemail.com.au From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 4 13:47:21 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32791 for david ; Tue, 04 Feb 97 13:47:19 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855044653:9:18984:51; Tue, 04 Feb 97 08:24:13 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-9.mail.demon.net id ah918041; 4 Feb 97 8:23 GMT From:(Peter Bond) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 08:14:58 +0000 Organization: Subject: Embedded frame To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970204.081458.82@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 09:57:41 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I have a 4-page, 2-column document which includes a couple of small tables, and I've just tried embedding them. One of them was near the bottom of a 2nd column and as the text above it expanded it eventually moved onto the next page. First, the table vanishes leaving not quite enough space for itself in column A, and a gap is also created in column B about the same size. As the text above continues to expand the gap in col. A reduces, and as it reduces to nil the table suddenly re-appears in the gap waiting for it in col. B. I doubt it's meant to work this way? -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 4 13:47:24 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32792 for david ; Tue, 04 Feb 97 13:47:23 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855044783:9:19568:51; Tue, 04 Feb 97 08:26:23 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-9.mail.demon.net id ak918041; 4 Feb 97 8:25 GMT From:(Bill Kerr) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 08:14:29 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Mail-merge to file printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970204.081429.54@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 10:36:51 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Fri 31 Jan, David Allen wrote: > It is such an obvious problem that I am sure it has been picked up already, > but when I tried mail merge for the first time this evening, using > 'Background Printing' with Printers 1.54 caused only the last letter in the > batch to be printed. The feature needs to be switched off, which then means > that printing out a long batch takes over the whole computer for some > considerable time. I had the same results with mail merge & print to file with background printing off. This resulted in a long tie up using mail merge and direct printing. Any help apreciated. Bill -- mailto:bkerr@burnton.demon.co.uk http://www.burnton.demon.co.uk Bill Kerr From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 4 13:47:28 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32793 for david ; Tue, 04 Feb 97 13:47:26 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855044862:9:20011:46; Tue, 04 Feb 97 08:27:42 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-9.mail.demon.net id al918041; 4 Feb 97 8:27 GMT From:(David Pilling) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 08:15:13 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Mail-merge and background printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970204.081513.33@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Jan 97 18:57:42 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 David Allen >It is such an obvious problem that I am sure it has been picked up already, >but when I tried mail merge for the first time this evening, using >'Background Printing' with Printers 1.54 caused only the last letter in the >batch to be printed. The feature needs to be switched off, which then means >that printing out a long batch takes over the whole computer for some >considerable time. Yes this has come up before. In fact we've been chased all around the houses with it. (2.24 works one way, 2.36 works another, etc.). The latest version will let you configure this to work however you desire. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 4 13:47:31 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32794 for david ; Tue, 04 Feb 97 13:47:29 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855044954:10:08018:63; Tue, 04 Feb 97 08:29:14 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-9.mail.demon.net id am918041; 4 Feb 97 8:29 GMT From:(Paul De Luca) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 08:15:28 +0000 Organization: Subject: A few niggles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970204.081528.10@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 22:37:02 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Any way of getting over the following niggles? 1 Following a full stop I leave a couple of spaces before typing the next sentence. However, if there's a need to wordwrap to start the sentence on the next line, the first character of the new line is a space. Hence the paragraph is not completely flush on its left-hand side. 2 Time and again when entering a 'f' followed by an 'i' I don't get 'fi' but '=9E' (ASCII 158, I think). 3 Cutting and pasting text often leaves traces of where the text has been moved from, forcing as redraw (page up then down) will tidy the display but surely there should be no need for this. Any hints? BTW, I'm using a RPC + SA + lots of RAM & free disc space. --=20 - Paul De Luca O O BEd BA MSc MBCS --------------------------------uu--U--uu--------------------------------- Compared to the Acorn Risc PC, almost any fool can see that PCs are crap, except the fools that matter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- PGP Key fingerprint 38 F6 0A 91 09 74 24 F2 8D 0F 12 DA 28 D8 F0 6A=20 I use ANT's excellent Internet Suite, do you? From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 4 13:47:34 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32795 for david ; Tue, 04 Feb 97 13:47:32 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855045013:10:08282:47; Tue, 04 Feb 97 08:30:13 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-9.mail.demon.net id an918041; 4 Feb 97 8:30 GMT From:(Paul De Luca) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 08:15:57 +0000 Organization: Subject: A few niggles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970204.081557.25@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 22:37:02 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Any way of getting over the following niggles? 1 Following a full stop I leave a couple of spaces before typing the next sentence. However, if there's a need to wordwrap to start the sentence on the next line, the first character of the new line is a space. Hence the paragraph is not completely flush on its left-hand side. 2 Time and again when entering a 'f' followed by an 'i' I don't get 'fi' but '=9E' (ASCII 158, I think). 3 Cutting and pasting text often leaves traces of where the text has been moved from, forcing as redraw (page up then down) will tidy the display but surely there should be no need for this. Any hints? BTW, I'm using a RPC + SA + lots of RAM & free disc space. --=20 - Paul De Luca O O BEd BA MSc MBCS --------------------------------uu--U--uu--------------------------------- Compared to the Acorn Risc PC, almost any fool can see that PCs are crap, except the fools that matter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- PGP Key fingerprint 38 F6 0A 91 09 74 24 F2 8D 0F 12 DA 28 D8 F0 6A=20 I use ANT's excellent Internet Suite, do you? From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 4 13:47:38 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32796 for david ; Tue, 04 Feb 97 13:47:36 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855045179:9:21591:51; Tue, 04 Feb 97 08:32:59 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-9.mail.demon.net id ai918041; 4 Feb 97 8:32 GMT From:(John M Ward) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 08:15:42 +0000 Organization: the Garden of England Subject: Re: Copying text differences To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970204.081542.46@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 00:01:28 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Brian Carroll wrote: > On Tue 21 Jan 97 (09:03:03 +0000), Ray Dawson wrote: >> Could somebody explain the logic, or the reason, behind the difference >> between copying text within a document and between documents? >> Within a document, shift-drag copies and drag moves Between documents, >> shift-drag moves and drag copies > And between /filer/ windows it is the latter also. This is something > users of the desktop will do almost without thinking, so it should be > used for /all/ such moves between windows, as is indeed the case cited > by Ray. > But it is fundamental to the consistent use of the desktop (or any > control system for that matter) that a given action should always do the > same thing, so shift-drag should also be used for moving /within/ a > document. I agree. I've always thought of the Shift key being used to *shift* things, and would be happy to have that applied universally. For the sake of others who don't agree, a CMOS RAM bit could be used to allow ppl to config their own preference, in much the same way as a suggestion I once made to Acorn for a bit to switch between leafname and full path in title bars. In both cases it would have no effect on apps that didn't take notice of the bits' settings, rather like font blending now, so it would be something to be phased into the market. -- John Michael Ward --> Putting quality above quantity, hype, vested interests, money, and other pressures. Thus: a supporter of Acorn Computers, LibDems, the Hour of Power and Babylon 5 <*> From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 7 17:54:58 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33002 for david ; Fri, 07 Feb 97 17:54:57 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855329478:10:15467:50; Fri, 07 Feb 97 15:31:18 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id aj1014250; 7 Feb 97 15:31 GMT From:(Ian Hunter) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 15:20:12 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Super Shift Applet To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970207.152012.96@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 10:00:24 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 A while ago there was some correspondance on who to get the Super Shift applet to capitialise after two spaces, instead of the one that it does. Is there a kind soal who can refresh my memory, please?? -- Ian Hunter Rocque Balan, Vale, Guernsey, Channel Islands. "The Chaming Channel Island" From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 7 17:55:00 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33003 for david ; Fri, 07 Feb 97 17:54:59 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855329484:9:03681:46; Fri, 07 Feb 97 15:31:24 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id af1014250; 7 Feb 97 15:30 GMT From:(Ovation Pro List) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 15:19:44 +0000 Organization: Subject: Help To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970207.151944.26@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 09:59:08 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I have just subscibed to the mailing list and have received mail for the 4th Feb. Is there an archive of back mail I can download, to avoid me raising issues which have been dealt with in the past. -- Bob Howarth --- mailto:bob@thequary.demon.co.uk Also bob.howarth@geo2.poptel.org.uk .... The future isn't what it used to be. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 7 17:55:04 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33004 for david ; Fri, 07 Feb 97 17:55:03 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855329487:9:03660:47; Fri, 07 Feb 97 15:31:27 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id ai1014250; 7 Feb 97 15:30 GMT From:(David Allen) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 15:18:44 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Mail-merge and background printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970207.151844.40@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 18:54:15 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 04 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > Yes this has come up before. In fact we've been chased all around the houses > with it. (2.24 works one way, 2.36 works another, etc.). The latest version > will let you configure this to work however you desire. > > David Pilling > Any hints about when this *might* be ? -- David Allen From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 7 17:55:08 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33005 for david ; Fri, 07 Feb 97 17:55:07 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855329508:9:03899:46; Fri, 07 Feb 97 15:31:48 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id ak1014250; 7 Feb 97 15:31 GMT From:(Peter Bond) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 15:20:27 +0000 Organization: Subject: Smart quotes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970207.152027.91@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 16:34:59 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 How do I turn off smart quotes? I need a plain single quote as a foot sign (ie ') - I have turned off Smart quotes in Choices Text and clicked Ok but I still get a smart quote when I press that key :-( -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 7 17:55:12 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33006 for david ; Fri, 07 Feb 97 17:55:10 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855329553:9:03660:126; Fri, 07 Feb 97 15:32:33 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id al1014250; 7 Feb 97 15:31 GMT From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 15:18:30 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: A few niggles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970207.151830.16@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Feb 97 10:41:25 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 4 Feb 97 (08:15:57 +0000), pgdeluca@emirates.net.ae wrote: >2 Time and again when entering a 'f' followed by an 'i' I don't get >'fi' but '=9E' (ASCII 158, I think). Check your abbreviations file. It looks as if you have /fi/alt158 set. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 7 17:55:16 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33007 for david ; Fri, 07 Feb 97 17:55:14 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855329563:9:04266:46; Fri, 07 Feb 97 15:32:43 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id as1014250; 7 Feb 97 15:31 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 15:20:42 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Can users please note... To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970207.152042.19@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 09:17:11 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Can users please note that to send messages to the list you need to send to: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk I get messages to ovation, ovation-l etc etc and even to the maillist host name. I have just amended two misaddressed messages and would prefer not to amend anymore. Any messages sent to maillist@risc.demon.co.uk that are not SIGNON or SIGNOFF messages will be ignored. To signoff the list send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the subject line: SIGNOFF ovationp-l If you get desperate you can always email me direct at: imac@risc.demon.co.uk or ian@beebug.co.uk -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 7 17:55:20 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33008 for david ; Fri, 07 Feb 97 17:55:18 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855329600:9:04478:50; Fri, 07 Feb 97 15:33:20 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id ad1014250; 7 Feb 97 15:32 GMT From:(Peter Bond) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 15:17:58 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: A few niggles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970207.151758.59@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 09:23:15 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 04 Feb, Paul De Luca wrote: > Any way of getting over the following niggles? > > 1 Following a full stop I leave a couple of spaces before typing the next > sentence. However, if there's a need to wordwrap to start the sentence on > the next line, the first character of the new line is a space. Hence the > paragraph is not completely flush on its left-hand side. I thought that '2 spaces after a stop' was a hangover from ordinary tying and should not normally be used with 'real' type? Ie, don't do it :-) Otherwise, write an applet. > 3 Cutting and pasting text often leaves traces of where the text has been > moved from, forcing as redraw (page up then down) will tidy the display but > surely there should be no need for this. > I seem to remember reading that this had been cured for the next release. > I use ANT's excellent Internet Suite, do you? > Yes, but it does have its troubles! -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 7 17:55:23 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33009 for david ; Fri, 07 Feb 97 17:55:22 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855329601:10:16222:52; Fri, 07 Feb 97 15:33:21 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id ax1014250; 7 Feb 97 15:32 GMT From:(Carl Scarlett) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 15:19:28 +0000 Organization: Home Subject: Ovation Pro freezing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970207.151928.37@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 21:04:32 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Hi, I have been suffering from a bug that has been mentioned previously. When you try to apply a style/effect at the cursor and then type, for example turn on centre justification and then type, the machine freezes. This also occured when I created a new style and applied that at the cursor. You can get out of the freezing with Alt-Break and stopping Ovation. I am using Ovation Pro version 2.36 on the StrongARM and I have Acorns StrongARM patches. It seems to occur at the start of a new document. This is a repeatable error as a friend of mine with the same setup has experienced the same problem. Suggestions please, Cheers, Carl -- Carl Scarlett email: carl@humperdink.demon.co.uk Sent from an Acorn RiscPC running a StrongARM Processor .... Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 7 17:55:28 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33010 for david ; Fri, 07 Feb 97 17:55:27 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855329620:9:04629:49; Fri, 07 Feb 97 15:33:40 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id aw1014250; 7 Feb 97 15:32 GMT From:( Dr A G Gray) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 15:19:13 +0000 Organization: Subject: Transfers from a database To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970207.151913.86@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Feb 97 14:19:17 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I have written a wimp program (in BASIC) to access my practice database of = names, addresses and other details of patients, and extract information to = include in letters. I transfer a name, address, date of birth and NHS number at the start of a = letter by the simple means of passing the string through the keyboard buffe= r to the cursor in an OP document. (OS_Byte 153.) Tabs (CHR$9) and returns = are translated accordingly but I cannot apparently pass 'top-bit-set' chara= cters - an em dash or a degree symbol for 'number', N=B0, for example. And is there a way of passing eg. bold or italic instructions to OP via thi= s mechanism? *Simply* -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=3D323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 7 17:55:32 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33011 for david ; Fri, 07 Feb 97 17:55:30 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855329621:10:16295:47; Fri, 07 Feb 97 15:33:41 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id ay1014250; 7 Feb 97 15:33 GMT From:(Jack Evans) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 15:19:58 +0000 Organization: Subject: Minimum page sizes and printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970207.151958.57@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 15:50:14 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R Experimenting with a jam label layout design of desired size 80mm wide by 40mm I find that the OP minimum page height seems to be 76mm - 75mm or less brings up a 'Page height too small' message. Having found the IP very small page size facility used with 'Print Lots' and 'Fit Same pages' invaluable for business cards, address Able-Labels etc, could we have the page height limit in OP removed? Can we hope too that the 2up and 4up pamphlet printing mode, as well as Print lots/Fit same pages, will be incorporated in the next upgrade? -- Jack Evans Join the Bristol Acorn RISC User Group if you live locally - meet the people who matter and can help. URL is http://emrs.chm.bris.ac.uk/ARUG/ (The content of this message is not a BARUG policy statement). From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 7 17:55:35 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33012 for david ; Fri, 07 Feb 97 17:55:33 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855329640:10:16452:53; Fri, 07 Feb 97 15:34:00 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id ba1014250; 7 Feb 97 15:33 GMT From:(David Pilling) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 15:17:43 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Style sheets and linking To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970207.151743.22@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Feb 97 00:59:01 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Peter Bond; >I have created a faily long document - a manual actually - from an >Impression original. Because I wanted to make various changes as I >went, I didn't try importing the DDFs but did it 'the hard way', and >have now tried a little experiment: >The master pages were a facing pair of A5s with header and footer >frames, they show as properly linked. >I saved the style sheet from the 'finished' doc, and then tried >importing the DDF, chapter by chapter - except I didn't get past the >first one. The first chapter occupies at least two pages (maybe more >until I cut back the font size); it copies nicely into page 1 which >shows the overflow arrow. There is an empty page 2. Picking the Link >tool shows no linking arrows. The result of combining a start chapter page number of 0 with start on right in a stylesheet - and seemingly a new bug. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 7 17:55:38 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33013 for david ; Fri, 07 Feb 97 17:55:36 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855329651:10:16583:48; Fri, 07 Feb 97 15:34:11 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id bb1014250; 7 Feb 97 15:33 GMT From:(David Pilling) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 15:18:59 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Errors To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970207.151859.12@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Feb 97 18:31:24 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Colin Thompson; >Spellchecking offered me this the other day - N'Djamena >Come on David - reveal all OK, it's the secret Klingon dictionary. Seriously could be one of your dictionaries is corrupt - you can try saving it as text to check, or scrolling through the N's. Otherwise it would be interesting to know how you got this. Paul De Luca >1 Following a full stop I leave a couple of spaces before typing the next >sentence. However, if there's a need to wordwrap to start the sentence on >the next line, the first character of the new line is a space. Hence the >paragraph is not completely flush on its left-hand side. Strangely enough this is already a feature for fully justified text - i.e. extra spaces are stripped off and don't go onto the next line. I don't know if it should be extended to all text. >2 Time and again when entering a 'f' followed by an 'i' I don't get 'fi' >but '=9E' (ASCII 158, I think). Well code 158 is the code for the fi ligature. The font will matter, do F11 and check if it has a ligature at the correct position. David Pilling From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 7 17:55:41 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33014 for david ; Fri, 07 Feb 97 17:55:39 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855329695:9:05280:47; Fri, 07 Feb 97 15:34:55 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id bd1014250; 7 Feb 97 15:34 GMT From:(Anthony Hilton) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 15:18:14 +0000 Organization: Subject: Find and replace To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970207.151814.97@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Feb 97 10:49:00 gmt X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I often bring text from PC based word processors into Ovation Pro, then use Find and replace to remove typists habits (double returns, multiple spaces to become tabs, double spaces after punctuation to single spaces etc). I frequently need to run a particular find and replace more than once, but having started at the beginning of the document and got to the end the continue button has no effect - I expect to be able to start the same find again. For example in a document with two returns at the end of each paragraph, and multiple (variable - usually to fit pages in the PC word processor) returns before a heading I search for two returns and replace with one, but that doesn't remove all the redundant returns before a heading, so continue could initiate a second trawl through the document with the same find and replace strings. (This is in addition to the fact I have previously mentioned that Tab (\t) in either the find or replace string causes the function to fail, totally locking Opro.) I would also find an extra feature in Find and replace to be considerable value: viz. the ability to search or replace type specs (font, size etc) and Styles. This is a feature I frequently make use of in PageMaker at work, and is specially valuable to use ligatures to replace ffi, ffl, ff, fi, fl when not only the character but also the font needs changing. Standard Acorn fonts have the last two ligatures, but the others are only available in expert fonts. Also, has this list been silent since 8/11/96 or have I been removed from the list? Anthony From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 11 13:52:33 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33159 for david ; Tue, 11 Feb 97 13:52:31 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855649350:6:24174:47; Tue, 11 Feb 97 08:22:30 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id ad623773; 11 Feb 97 8:22 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:05:06 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Help To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970210.110506.44@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 10:59:23 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970207.151944.26@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I have just subscibed to the mailing list and have received mail for the > 4th Feb. Is there an archive of back mail I can download, to avoid me > raising issues which have been dealt with in the past. No there is no archive available as yet. I need to do some more work befoire this can be acheived. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 11 13:52:36 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33160 for david ; Tue, 11 Feb 97 13:52:34 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855649859:6:26082:46; Tue, 11 Feb 97 08:30:59 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id ag623773; 11 Feb 97 8:30 GMT From:("Sveinung W. Tengelsen") Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:02:43 +0000 Organization: Subject: Editing Smart quotes to use Norwegian quotes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970210.110243.76@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 17:30:42 +0100 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R Hi, In Norwegian, we use =AB and =BB instead of =94 and =95 for quoting text. I've tried to fiddle with the !Quotes applet to add these pairs, but no luck since I haven't learned the OP script-language (yeah, fie...) I've got as far as adding QUOTES_03:Plain=AB=BB to the Messages-file, but have no idea about how to add these pairs to Library.Quotes . Can someone help me out? --=20 Regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- mailto:pixeleye@sn.no | I have one illusion; http://www.sn.no/~pixeleye/Index.htm | I have no illusions. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 11 13:52:39 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33161 for david ; Tue, 11 Feb 97 13:52:37 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855649960:5:04455:48; Tue, 11 Feb 97 08:32:40 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id ae623773; 11 Feb 97 8:31 GMT From:(John Hollier) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:03:17 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Smart quotes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970210.110317.06@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 19:00:50 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 To Peter Bond Date Fri,07 Feb 1997 Subject Turning off smart quotes > I need a plain single quote as a foot sign (ie ') - I have turned off > Smart quotes in Choices Text and clicked Ok but I still get a smart > quote when I press that key :-( Peter, try this instead Press F11 to open 'Characters'. Click on the eighth character from top left for feet symbol and the third from top left for inches sumbol. This works quite independently of smart quotes (on my machine anyway). John Hollier -- John Hollier john@thirteen.demon.co.uk Canterbury Kent UK From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 11 13:52:43 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33162 for david ; Tue, 11 Feb 97 13:52:40 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855650044:6:26777:46; Tue, 11 Feb 97 08:34:04 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id ah623773; 11 Feb 97 8:33 GMT From:(Richard Partridge) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:03:33 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Minimum page sizes and printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970210.110333.43@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Feb 97 00:50:13 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Fri 7 Feb 97 (15:19:58 +0000), jack@snave.demon.co.uk wrote: >Having found the IP very small page size facility used with 'Print >Lots' and 'Fit Same pages' invaluable for business cards, address >Able-Labels etc, could we have the page height limit in OP removed? > >Can we hope too that the 2up and 4up pamphlet printing mode, as well as >Print lots/Fit same pages, will be incorporated in the next upgrade? > Hear, hear! And could the 99 copy limit perhaps be removed? Richard Partridge. -- rkpartridge@argonet.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 11 13:52:46 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33163 for david ; Tue, 11 Feb 97 13:52:44 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855650145:6:27199:59; Tue, 11 Feb 97 08:35:45 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id af623773; 11 Feb 97 8:35 GMT From:(Peter Bond) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:04:03 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Ovation Pro freezing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970210.110403.70@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 19:47:56 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Fri 07 Feb, Carl Scarlett wrote: > Hi, > > I have been suffering from a bug that has been mentioned previously. > > When you try to apply a style/effect at the cursor and then type, for example > turn on centre justification and then type, the machine freezes. This also > occured when I created a new style and applied that at the cursor. > Yes, I suffered from it this afternoon - twice. I thought "ah!" here's one to send off as proof. And when I tried it again later it worked ok - aarrgghh! -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 11 13:52:52 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33165 for david ; Tue, 11 Feb 97 13:52:48 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855650231:6:27539:46; Tue, 11 Feb 97 08:37:11 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id ai623773; 11 Feb 97 8:36 GMT From:(Mr. K.J. Randall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:04:21 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Help To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970210.110421.12@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Feb 97 16:48:29 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Fri 7 Feb 97 (15:19:44 +0000), bob@thequary.demon.co.uk wrote: > I have just subscibed to the mailing list and have received mail for > the 4th Feb. Is there an archive of back mail I can download, to avoid > me raising issues which have been dealt with in the past. Me too! -- -- / \ ________________________/ \ =A6\ ___________________________\ =A6 | kjrandall@argonet.co.uk | \|____________________________| From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 11 13:52:55 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33166 for david ; Tue, 11 Feb 97 13:52:53 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855650337:6:27947:47; Tue, 11 Feb 97 08:38:57 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id aj623773; 11 Feb 97 8:38 GMT From:(Jack Evans) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:04:35 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Minimum page sizes and printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970210.110435.69@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 20:49:03 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Following up my earlier post wherein I wrote: > .... I find that the OP minimum page height seems to be 76mm - 75mm or less > brings up a 'Page height too small' message. I've just discovered there is an identical limit to the page width setting. The intended object this time was a book spine insert, 60mm x 297mm, so it's back to Impression! -- Jack Evans Join the Bristol Acorn RISC User Group if you live locally - meet the people who matter and can help. URL is http://emrs.chm.bris.ac.uk/ARUG/ (The content of this message is not a BARUG policy statement). From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 11 13:52:58 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33167 for david ; Tue, 11 Feb 97 13:52:56 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855650404:6:28186:55; Tue, 11 Feb 97 08:40:04 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id al623773; 11 Feb 97 8:39 GMT From:(Fred Bambrough) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:04:51 +0000 Organization: Home Subject: Re: Errors To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970210.110451.28@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 22:02:40 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 15:18:59 +0000, David Pilling wrote: > X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 > > > Colin Thompson; > > > >Spellchecking offered me this the other day - N'Djamena > >Come on David - reveal all > > OK, it's the secret Klingon dictionary. > Seriously could be one of your dictionaries is corrupt - > you can try saving it as text to check, or scrolling through the N's. > Otherwise it would be interesting to know how you got this. > If it is, then mine is also in exactly the same way. A bit too much of a coincidence? -- Fred---------------------------------------------------------------------- From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 11 13:53:03 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33168 for david ; Tue, 11 Feb 97 13:52:59 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855650677:5:07899:47; Tue, 11 Feb 97 08:44:37 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id ao623773; 11 Feb 97 8:43 GMT From:( Dr A G Gray) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:03:49 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Errors To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970210.110349.19@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Feb 97 20:59:34 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Fri 7 Feb 97 (15:18:59 +0000), david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: .... commenting on Paul De Luca's observation: >>Spellchecking offered me this the other day - N'Djamena >>Come on David - reveal all > >OK, it's the secret Klingon dictionary. >Seriously could be one of your dictionaries is corrupt - >you can try saving it as text to check, or scrolling through the N's. >Otherwise it would be interesting to know how you got this. Well - I've got it too. Perhaps it's to do with Klingon poetry... Aaaaaaaarrrgh. -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 11 13:53:09 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33169 for david ; Tue, 11 Feb 97 13:53:05 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855650760:5:08269:48; Tue, 11 Feb 97 08:46:00 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id ap623773; 11 Feb 97 8:45 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:29:56 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Errors To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970210.112956.04@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:25:41 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970210.110451.28@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 15:18:59 +0000, David Pilling wrote: > > >Spellchecking offered me this the other day - N'Djamena > > >Come on David - reveal all > > > > OK, it's the secret Klingon dictionary. > > Seriously could be one of your dictionaries is corrupt - > > you can try saving it as text to check, or scrolling through the N's. > > Otherwise it would be interesting to know how you got this. > > > > If it is, then mine is also in exactly the same way. A bit too much of a > coincidence? This word does appear in the dictionary on the distribution masters. I have no idea how it got there or what it means. I did the revamp of the dictionary for Ovation Pro so currently I am the chief suspect for 'adding odd words to the dictionary', but it's all a mystery to me. Time to call in Scully and Mulder I think. The word will be gone from the dictionary in the next release. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 11 13:53:16 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33170 for david ; Tue, 11 Feb 97 13:53:12 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855650776:6:29517:47; Tue, 11 Feb 97 08:46:16 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id ar623773; 11 Feb 97 8:46 GMT From:(David Pilling) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:02:59 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Minimum page sizes and printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970210.110259.37@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 97 18:11:29 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 David Allen; >>2.36 works another, etc.). The latest version >> will let you configure this to work however you desire. >Any hints about when this *might* be ? Controversial question because the longer off the upgrade is, the more you're going to get. There is a plan now, but we're probably talking about a couple of months or so. Peter Bond; >How do I turn off smart quotes? >I need a plain single quote as a foot sign (ie ') - I have turned off >Smart quotes in Choices Text and clicked Ok but I still get a smart >quote when I press that key :-( Err no, smart quotes on choices is concerned with what happens when you import a text file. What you want is smart quotes on the applets menu. Some versions of the smart quotes applet have a sub menu that lets you enter a single quote. Carl Scarlett; >This is a repeatable error as a friend of mine with the same setup >has experienced the same problem. Long since fixed. All you can do is avoid applying a style to a zero size area. Dr A.G.Gray; >I transfer a name, address, date of birth and NHS number at the start of a = >letter by the simple means of passing the string through the keyboard buffe= >r to the cursor in an OP document. (OS_Byte 153.) Tabs (CHR$9) and returns = >are translated accordingly but I cannot apparently pass 'top-bit-set' chara= >cters - an em dash or a degree symbol for 'number', N=B0, for example. >And is there a way of passing eg. bold or italic instructions to OP via thi= >s mechanism? I tend to use *fx138 (OS_Byte 138) for this purpose. You can do what you want to do this way. The key trick is that bytes over 128 are entered by using a zero byte as an escape. So to insert code 220, one has to do fx138,0,0 followed by fx138,0,220. Codes above 255 e.g. as used for function keys are generated by inserting codes in the range 128..255. The other part of the puzzle is to work out the codes which OPro generates when you press e.g. Ctrl+Shift B. Probably by going into Basic, enabling the OPro keyboard module, *UKeyboard_on and then PRINT GET. There are many approaches to solving this problem. You could set up OPro function keys to do most of the work, and then enter the codes for them into the keyboard buffer. You could write an OPro script file and *filer_run it. Jack Evans; >Experimenting with a jam label layout design of desired size 80mm wide by >40mm I find that the OP minimum page height seems to be 76mm - 75mm or less >brings up a 'Page height too small' message. The min page size has been made 1 inch square now. OK? (and the max about 4 metres square) When I do this job, my technique is to design one label, and then use the duplicate function to copy it over an A4 page. This gives you precise control of position - important on self adhesive labels. Anthony Hilton; >I expect to be able to start the same find again. Might be good as an optional feature, but probably dangerous for some people. >I have previously mentioned that Tab (\t) in either the find or replace >string causes the function to fail, totally locking Opro.) Fixed. >I would also find an extra feature in Find and replace to be considerable >value: viz. the ability to search or replace type specs (font, size etc) One day... David Pilling From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 11 13:52:39 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33161 for david ; Tue, 11 Feb 97 13:52:37 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855649960:5:04455:48; Tue, 11 Feb 97 08:32:40 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id ae623773; 11 Feb 97 8:31 GMT From:(John Hollier) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:03:17 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Smart quotes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970210.110317.06@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 19:00:50 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R To Peter Bond Date Fri,07 Feb 1997 Subject Turning off smart quotes > I need a plain single quote as a foot sign (ie ') - I have turned off > Smart quotes in Choices Text and clicked Ok but I still get a smart > quote when I press that key :-( Peter, try this instead Press F11 to open 'Characters'. Click on the eighth character from top left for feet symbol and the third from top left for inches sumbol. This works quite independently of smart quotes (on my machine anyway). John Hollier -- John Hollier john@thirteen.demon.co.uk Canterbury Kent UK From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:12 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33324 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:10 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855918613:6:17807:46; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:10:13 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ae514171; 14 Feb 97 11:09 GMT From:(Mr. M W Lewis) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:40:20 +0000 Organization: Subject: Ndjamena To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.094020.88@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 16:19:01 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 If it helps : N'Djamena is the capital city of the African state of CHAD. -- MWLewis@argonet.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:14 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33325 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:13 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855918648:6:17972:48; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:10:48 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id af514171; 14 Feb 97 11:10 GMT From:(Wycombe High School) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:41:37 +0000 Organization: Subject: mailing list To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.094137.47@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:40:39 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Please take us off your mailing list From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:17 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33326 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:16 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855918706:5:15242:46; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:11:46 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ai514171; 14 Feb 97 11:11 GMT From:(Tony Stauber) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:37:32 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Unsubscribe please. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.093732.68@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 14:58:35 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Could you please unsubscribe me from the OvationPro mailing list. -- Tony Stauber: Language Teaching Institute, Doha, Qatar, Arabian Gulf From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:20 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33327 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:19 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855918764:5:15624:46; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:12:44 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id aj514171; 14 Feb 97 11:12 GMT From:(jfisher) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:38:32 +0000 Organization: Taunton School Subject: Re: Errors To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.093832.76@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:34:46 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Surely everyone knows the capitals of the world? (OK this one isn't the BIGGEST country) Check your encyclopedia /atlas/ Web search engine. . . -- John Fisher, IT Manager, Taunton School, Taunton, Somerset TA26AD (+44) (1)823 451269 From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:23 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33328 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:22 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855918858:6:18849:49; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:14:18 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id an514171; 14 Feb 97 11:14 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:55:22 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Text in multiple column pages To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.115522.17@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:44:58 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970213.093935.15@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > A couple of problems emerge when I use two or three column pages (text flowing > columns on master pages). Well as I said on the phone a copy of the document would be useful. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:26 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33329 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:25 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855918907:5:16436:53; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:15:07 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ao514171; 14 Feb 97 11:14 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:55:37 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Ovation Pro freezing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.115537.90@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:46:10 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970213.094005.62@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I have also encountered problems with Ovation Pro freezing upon applying > styles, and would be glad to know if a "fix" is planned. > If it is applying a style to a blank line then it is already fixed, otherwise can you be a bit more specific? -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:29 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33330 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:27 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855918936:6:19192:46; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:15:36 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ap514171; 14 Feb 97 11:15 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:55:53 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Macro error To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.115553.42@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:53:10 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970213.094152.41@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > When I click on the 'Clear Effects' macro I get an error message: > > "Error: wrong number of arguements at line 1 in macro" Needs a zero argument: cleareffects(0); same thing happens with the editstyle macro, same solution. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:32 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33331 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:30 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919421:6:21555:52; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:23:41 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id az514171; 14 Feb 97 11:23 GMT From:(Richard Travers) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:37:47 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Errors To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.093747.52@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 12:47:52 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 10 Feb 97 (11:03:49 +0000), alan.gray@argonet.co.uk wrote: (re N'Djamena in the spell-check dictionary): > Well - I've got it too. Perhaps it's to do with Klingon poetry... Slightly closer to home than that - N'Djamena (or Ndjamena) is the capital of Chad (it was formerly called Fort Lamy). A useful inclusion for those with friends in Chad :-) -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Richard Travers |*ZFC*| 01736 | Spuddlers of the | | richt@argonet.co.uk |**B**| 757941 | World Unite!! | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:35 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33332 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:34 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919440:6:21613:47; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:24:00 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ba514171; 14 Feb 97 11:23 GMT From:(Peter Bond) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:38:02 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Smart quotes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.093802.37@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:43:16 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 10 Feb, John Hollier wrote: > > > Subject Turning off smart quotes > > Press F11 to open 'Characters'. Click on the eighth character from top > left for feet symbol and the third from top left for inches sumbol. This > works quite independently of smart quotes (on my machine anyway). > Thanks - I've just tried it and it works for me as well! I was *convinced* that I had tried that, but maybe I had !Special running and used that - I have just tried !Special again and that does not work. I guess it's characters coming from outside that fail and F11 slides round the backdoor. -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:38 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33333 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:37 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919456:5:20000:46; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:24:16 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bb514171; 14 Feb 97 11:24 GMT From:(John Martin) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:38:17 +0000 Organization: 8 Oak Road Subject: 2 Up Printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.093817.66@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 16:20:54 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I think this has been asked before, but : Is there any chance of getting OvationPro to do 2 up A5 printing from an A4 master document. That will mean that I can cease using Impression Publisher for printing out pantomime scripts, which I usually do using A4 printing for the Stage Crew/Director/etc, and A5 copies for the cast (easier to hold when they haven't bothered to learn their lines in time for the rehearsals) I don't mean pamphlet printing - just 2 pages at 66% size on the same side of A4 in landscape mode. John From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:41 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33334 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:40 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919467:5:20050:50; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:24:27 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bc514171; 14 Feb 97 11:24 GMT From:("Sveinung W. Tengelsen") Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:39:49 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Editing Smart quotes to use Norwegian quotes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.093949.69@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 14:01:31 +0100 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 10 Feb, Sveinung W. Tengelsen wrote: [ Stuff which somehow became garbled in the transmission] Okay. Norwegian quotes are <<'s and >>'s (ASCII 171 and 187 respectively). -- Regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- mailto:pixeleye@sn.no | I have one illusion; http://www.sn.no/~pixeleye/Index.htm | I have no illusions. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:44 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33335 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:43 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919485:5:20180:49; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:24:45 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bd514171; 14 Feb 97 11:24 GMT From:(David Pilling) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:40:35 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Editing Smart quotes to use Norwegian quotes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.094035.73@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 01:40:41 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sveinung W. Tengelsen; >In Norwegian, we use =AB and =BB instead of =94 and =95 for quoting text. This is the crucial fragment. if (prevchar() > 32 && prevchar() != '(') key = (key == ''') ? '9' : '99'; else key = (key == ''') ? '6' : '66'; I think you just stick your quotes in between the single quotes at the ends of the above lines - after the question marks. I have inserted 6's and 9's above in the hope they'll come out intact. (unlike in the Edit/system font). David Pilling From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:47 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33336 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:46 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919502:6:21876:46; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:25:02 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id be514171; 14 Feb 97 11:24 GMT From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:41:52 +0000 Organization: Subject: Macro error To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.094152.41@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 14:19:24 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 When I click on the 'Clear Effects' macro I get an error message: "Error: wrong number of arguements at line 1 in macro" Any ideas what causes it? I haven't altered it from the default - I just haven't used it before. The wording in the Macro definition window is: {cleareffects()} Ray Dawson -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:51 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33337 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:49 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919509:6:21903:47; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:25:09 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bf514171; 14 Feb 97 11:25 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:54:50 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Importing styles. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.115450.06@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:00:11 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970213.093645.05@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > I may just be being thick here, but... > > I have a document template which is permanently stored as Stationery. I > then created a new style on my default document and wanted to import it > directly to my template. Tried doing this by saving a stylesheet and then > dragging this on to the other document, but it will only import it as > ASCII, which is not terribly helpful. You need to save the stylesheet and drag it into the Edit style dialogue. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:54 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33338 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:52 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919584:6:22192:48; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:26:24 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id al514171; 14 Feb 97 11:26 GMT From:(Matthew Hambley) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:36:27 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: A few niggles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.093627.33@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 08:50:51 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 > On Tue 04 Feb, Paul De Luca wrote: > > Any way of getting over the following niggles? > > > > 1 Following a full stop I leave a couple of spaces before typing the next > > sentence. However, if there's a need to wordwrap to start the sentence on > > the next line, the first character of the new line is a space. Hence the > > paragraph is not completely flush on its left-hand side. > > I thought that '2 spaces after a stop' was a hangover from ordinary tying > and should not normally be used with 'real' type? > Ie, don't do it :-) Otherwise, write an applet. I find that slightly insulting. I don't care if there's a smiley there. I use two spaces after a full stop because I find it aids the flow of the text. A text word wraping system should be capable of ignoring any amount of white space at the begining of a line. That way it caters far all preferences w.r.t. the number of spaces after a full stop. (\/)atthew From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:57 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33339 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:56 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919597:6:22288:48; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:26:37 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id br514171; 14 Feb 97 11:26 GMT From:(Andy Piper) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:36:45 +0000 Organization: Subject: Importing styles. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.093645.05@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 08:40:57 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I may just be being thick here, but... I have a document template which is permanently stored as Stationery. I then created a new style on my default document and wanted to import it directly to my template. Tried doing this by saving a stylesheet and then dragging this on to the other document, but it will only import it as ASCII, which is not terribly helpful. In Imp Style ("oh no, here he goes...") I was used to doing this by dragging another document onto the drop box in the New/Edit style dialogue. Am I missing something really obvious with OvPro? Andy -- Andrew Piper e-mail: bras0071@sable.ox.ac.uk www: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~bras0071/ snail://UK/OX1.4AJ/Oxford/Radcliffe.Square/Brasenose.College/Andrew.Piper *** All opinions expressed are my own! *** From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:51:01 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33340 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:59 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919604:5:20912:48; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:26:44 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bs514171; 14 Feb 97 11:26 GMT From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:36:59 +0000 Organization: Subject: Removing efects To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.093659.81@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 09:44:38 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 If I have a block of text with the size of the font etc set via the text menu, or import text from another document which has a different size body text font, it doesn't appear to be possible to remove the attributes of that text. It doesn't respond to 'Remove all styles and effects' or 'Remove Local effects' and the text has to be set manually to be the same as the rest. The problem here is that, because it now has its attributes set as effects, it no longer follows the body text style and doesn't change when that does. It is also not appear to be possible to remove local rulers using 'Remove Local effects'. What am I doing wrong? I have version 2.36 Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:51:04 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33341 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:51:02 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919617:6:22397:48; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:26:57 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bt514171; 14 Feb 97 11:26 GMT From:(Jonathan Overett) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:37:16 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Ovation Pro freezing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.093716.91@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:13:02 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 > On Fri 07 Feb, Carl Scarlett wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have been suffering from a bug that has been mentioned previously. > > > > When you try to apply a style/effect at the cursor and then type, for example > > turn on centre justification and then type, the machine freezes. This also > > occured when I created a new style and applied that at the cursor. > > > Yes, I suffered from it this afternoon - twice. I thought "ah!" > here's one to send off as proof. And when I tried it again later it > worked ok - aarrgghh! > I hadn't worked out what it was but reckon I've suffered this one several times as well. How about Ovation Pro freezing when you save documents - again you can use Alt-Break to get out of it, but the document hasn't been saved. I suspected there was something wrong with the applet that checks to see if you're saving over the top of another document, so I turned this off but the freezing still occurs occasionally. Jonathan Overett Christ's College, Cambridge University From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:51:07 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33342 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:51:05 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919644:5:21058:91; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:27:24 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bu514171; 14 Feb 97 11:27 GMT From:(Dr. P.N. Young) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:38:48 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Smart quotes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.093848.39@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 18:16:47 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Fri 7 Feb 97 (15:20:27 +0000), peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk wrote: > >I need a plain single quote as a foot sign (ie ') - I have turned off >Smart quotes in Choices Text and clicked Ok but I still get a smart >quote when I press that key :-( I use Keystroke to give me all the smart quotes and apostrophes (or foot signs) I need; use the "insert text" option using any shift-alt combination you find convenient. Then you can use smart quotes or plain as you wish. How did we manage without Keystroke? Cheers, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ 112,Linden Ave., Prestbury, Cheltenham, Anne \ / __ __ \ Glos. GL52 3DS, England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ +44 (0)1242-520459 James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:51:10 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33343 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:51:09 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919648:6:22501:49; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:27:28 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bv514171; 14 Feb 97 11:27 GMT From:(John Cartmell) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:39:03 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Errors To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.093903.78@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:37:37 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 10 Feb, Dr A G Gray wrote: > On Fri 7 Feb 97 (15:18:59 +0000), david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > ... commenting on Paul De Luca's observation: > > >>Spellchecking offered me this the other day - N'Djamena > >>Come on David - reveal all > > > >OK, it's the secret Klingon dictionary. > >Seriously could be one of your dictionaries is corrupt - > >you can try saving it as text to check, or scrolling through the N's. > >Otherwise it would be interesting to know how you got this. > > Well - I've got it too. Perhaps it's to do with Klingon poetry... It's obviously a myth (try browsing to find it ;-)) -- _/_/_/ _/ John Cartmell _/ __/_/ _/_/ _/_/ using Acorn Risc PCs - and StrongARMed _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ UK designed and made - British software _/_/ _/__/ _/ _/ _/ _/ supporting our own; even if it is the best ;-) From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:51:14 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33344 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:51:12 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919658:5:21219:46; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:27:38 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bw514171; 14 Feb 97 11:27 GMT From:(Dr. P.N. Young) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:39:19 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Smart quotes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.093919.81@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 18:16:47 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Fri 7 Feb 97 (15:20:27 +0000), peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk wrote: > >I need a plain single quote as a foot sign (ie ') - I have turned off >Smart quotes in Choices Text and clicked Ok but I still get a smart >quote when I press that key :-( I use Keystroke to give me all the smart quotes and apostrophes (or foot signs) I need; use the "insert text" option using any shift-alt combination you find convenient. Then you can use smart quotes or plain as you wish. How did we manage without Keystroke? Cheers, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ 112,Linden Ave., Prestbury, Cheltenham, Anne \ / __ __ \ Glos. GL52 3DS, England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ +44 (0)1242-520459 James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:51:17 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33345 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:51:15 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919675:6:22659:46; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:27:55 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bx514171; 14 Feb 97 11:27 GMT From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:39:35 +0000 Organization: Subject: Text in multiple column pages To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.093935.15@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 13:19:40 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 A couple of problems emerge when I use two or three column pages (text flowing columns on master pages). Firstly, when I have tried to remove Tab rulers and effects from blocks of text I have been unable to do it. I have had to export the text into Zap, delete the text on OP and then drop it back in again. I have also experienced problems trying to move local frames of text which I have created. I don't seem to be able to move them over page boundaries. Moving pages of text around to re-order articles invariably 'crashes' the text (not the program) so that pages further on just become a jumble of characters. The above using version 2.36. Ray Dawson -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:51:20 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33346 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:51:18 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919684:6:22697:46; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:28:04 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id by514171; 14 Feb 97 11:27 GMT From:(J E Johnson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:40:05 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Ovation Pro freezing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.094005.62@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 15:48:44 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Carl Scarlett wrote: > > Hi, > > I have been suffering from a bug that has been mentioned previously. > > When you try to apply a style/effect at the cursor and then type, for > example turn on centre justification and then type, the machine > freezes. This also occured when I created a new style and applied > that at the cursor. I have also encountered problems with Ovation Pro freezing upon applying styles, and would be glad to know if a "fix" is planned. -- John Johnson - Waterlooville, Hampshire, UK email: jjohnson@dial.pipex.com ------------------------------------------------- ACORN STRONGARM RISC PC ------------------------------------------------- ++ The On-Line Edition of St George's News ++ http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/plaza/jl51/index.htm email: stgeorges@dial.pipex.com ++ Waterlooville Lions Club ++ http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/plaza/jl51/lions.htm email: lions@dial.pipex.com From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:51:23 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33347 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:51:22 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919697:5:21423:46; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:28:17 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bz514171; 14 Feb 97 11:28 GMT From:(Keith Parker) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:41:21 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Smart quotes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.094121.73@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 11:55:18 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 10 Feb 97 (11:03:17 +0000), john@thirteen.demon.co.uk wrote: > To Peter Bond > Date Fri,07 Feb 1997 > Subject Turning off smart quotes > > I need a plain single quote as a foot sign (ie ') - I have turned off > > Smart quotes in Choices Text and clicked Ok but I still get a smart > > quote when I press that key :-( > Peter, try this instead > Press F11 to open 'Characters'. Click on the eighth character from top > left for feet symbol and the third from top left for inches sumbol. > This works quite independently of smart quotes (on my machine anyway). And on my machine as well :-) Thanks for that! Keith -- - - - - - - - - - Keith Parker = Print and Design Services - - - - - - - - - keithp@argonet.co.uk | suep@argonet.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/keithp/ | Physics Teacher struggling with For our latest news, services, prices | both Macs and Pentiums at school! - - 33 Fieldend, Twickenham, Middlesex, TW1 4TG. Tel: (44) 0181-892 9835 - - From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:51:27 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33348 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:51:25 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919713:5:21502:48; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:28:33 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ak514171; 14 Feb 97 11:28 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:55:05 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Ovation Pro freezing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.115505.93@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:27:46 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970213.093716.91@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I hadn't worked out what it was but reckon I've suffered this one several > times as well. How about Ovation Pro freezing when you save documents - > again you can use Alt-Break to get out of it, but the document hasn't been > saved. I suspected there was something wrong with the applet that checks > to see if you're saving over the top of another document, so I turned this > off but the freezing still occurs occasionally. Sounds more like a problem of the undo buffer being flushed when the doc is saved. Was the document double-sided or did it have embedded frames at all? A couple of bugs in this area were fixed. You should be able save the document as a DDL and re-import it to get around the problem. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:51:30 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33349 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:51:28 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919741:6:22958:46; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:29:01 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id cc514171; 14 Feb 97 11:28 GMT From:( Dr A G Gray) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:40:51 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Minimum page sizes and printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.094051.14@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 16:46:25 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 10 Feb 97 (11:02:59 +0000), david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: .... in answer to my problem about transferring an address string to OP: >I tend to use *fx138 (OS_Byte 138) for this purpose. You can do what >you want to do this way. The key trick is that bytes over 128 are >entered by using a zero byte as an escape. So to insert code 220, one has to >do fx138,0,0 followed by fx138,0,220. Perfect! Problem solved. The second request was to transfer eg. Bold or Italic: >The other part of the puzzle is to work out the codes which OPro >generates when you press e.g. Ctrl+Shift B. >Probably by going into Basic, enabling the OPro keyboard module, >*UKeyboard_on and then PRINT GET. Yep: 227 (Ctrl-Shift) followed by 2 gives Bold: 9 italic: 21 underline etc. Many thanks: I can now pass over all the details, nicely formatted, at the click of one icon. Cheers, -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:51:33 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33350 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:51:31 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919751:6:22958:112; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:29:11 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id cd514171; 14 Feb 97 11:29 GMT From:(Jack Evans) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:41:06 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Minimum page sizes and printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.094106.30@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 18:11:15 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 10 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > other valuable answers snipped > > The min page size has been made 1 inch square now. OK? > (and the max about 4 metres square) > A great leap forward, but .... could you knock another 5mm off and bring it down to 20mm? I produce Able-Label type name and address labels 43mm wide and 20mm high, print them on a 1-label A4 sheet and chop 'em up. The backing peels off easily with a pin and they're an ideal quick solution when filling in forms, identifying books and other personal property. I'd be sorry not to be able to do this in future if I switch fulltime to OP. > When I do this job, my technique is to design one label, and then use the > duplicate function to copy it over an A4 page. This gives you precise > control of position - important on self adhesive labels. Do I deduce that the IP feature Fit lots/Fit same pages will not be included in the OP Print options? If so, a pity for the sort of job I've indicated above as well for others like serially numbered tickets printed on A4 card and guillotined. -- Jack Evans Join the Bristol Acorn RISC User Group if you live locally - meet the people who matter and can help. URL is http://emrs.chm.bris.ac.uk/ARUG/ (The content of this message is not a BARUG policy statement). From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:12 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33324 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:10 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855918613:6:17807:46; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:10:13 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ae514171; 14 Feb 97 11:09 GMT From:(Mr. M W Lewis) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:40:20 +0000 Organization: Subject: Ndjamena To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.094020.88@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 16:19:01 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R If it helps : N'Djamena is the capital city of the African state of CHAD. -- MWLewis@argonet.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:14 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33325 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:13 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855918648:6:17972:48; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:10:48 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id af514171; 14 Feb 97 11:10 GMT From:(Wycombe High School) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:41:37 +0000 Organization: Subject: mailing list To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.094137.47@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:40:39 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Please take us off your mailing list From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:17 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33326 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:16 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855918706:5:15242:46; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:11:46 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ai514171; 14 Feb 97 11:11 GMT From:(Tony Stauber) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:37:32 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Unsubscribe please. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.093732.68@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 14:58:35 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Could you please unsubscribe me from the OvationPro mailing list. -- Tony Stauber: Language Teaching Institute, Doha, Qatar, Arabian Gulf From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:20 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33327 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:19 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855918764:5:15624:46; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:12:44 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id aj514171; 14 Feb 97 11:12 GMT From:(jfisher) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:38:32 +0000 Organization: Taunton School Subject: Re: Errors To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.093832.76@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:34:46 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Surely everyone knows the capitals of the world? (OK this one isn't the BIGGEST country) Check your encyclopedia /atlas/ Web search engine. . . -- John Fisher, IT Manager, Taunton School, Taunton, Somerset TA26AD (+44) (1)823 451269 From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:23 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33328 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:22 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855918858:6:18849:49; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:14:18 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id an514171; 14 Feb 97 11:14 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:55:22 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Text in multiple column pages To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.115522.17@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:44:58 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970213.093935.15@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > A couple of problems emerge when I use two or three column pages (text flowing > columns on master pages). Well as I said on the phone a copy of the document would be useful. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:26 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33329 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:25 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855918907:5:16436:53; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:15:07 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ao514171; 14 Feb 97 11:14 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:55:37 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Ovation Pro freezing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.115537.90@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:46:10 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970213.094005.62@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I have also encountered problems with Ovation Pro freezing upon applying > styles, and would be glad to know if a "fix" is planned. > If it is applying a style to a blank line then it is already fixed, otherwise can you be a bit more specific? -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:29 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33330 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:27 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855918936:6:19192:46; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:15:36 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ap514171; 14 Feb 97 11:15 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:55:53 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Macro error To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.115553.42@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:53:10 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970213.094152.41@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > When I click on the 'Clear Effects' macro I get an error message: > > "Error: wrong number of arguements at line 1 in macro" Needs a zero argument: cleareffects(0); same thing happens with the editstyle macro, same solution. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:32 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33331 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:30 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919421:6:21555:52; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:23:41 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id az514171; 14 Feb 97 11:23 GMT From:(Richard Travers) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:37:47 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Errors To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.093747.52@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 12:47:52 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 10 Feb 97 (11:03:49 +0000), alan.gray@argonet.co.uk wrote: (re N'Djamena in the spell-check dictionary): > Well - I've got it too. Perhaps it's to do with Klingon poetry... Slightly closer to home than that - N'Djamena (or Ndjamena) is the capital of Chad (it was formerly called Fort Lamy). A useful inclusion for those with friends in Chad :-) -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Richard Travers |*ZFC*| 01736 | Spuddlers of the | | richt@argonet.co.uk |**B**| 757941 | World Unite!! | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:35 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33332 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:34 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919440:6:21613:47; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:24:00 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ba514171; 14 Feb 97 11:23 GMT From:(Peter Bond) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:38:02 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Smart quotes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.093802.37@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:43:16 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 10 Feb, John Hollier wrote: > > > Subject Turning off smart quotes > > Press F11 to open 'Characters'. Click on the eighth character from top > left for feet symbol and the third from top left for inches sumbol. This > works quite independently of smart quotes (on my machine anyway). > Thanks - I've just tried it and it works for me as well! I was *convinced* that I had tried that, but maybe I had !Special running and used that - I have just tried !Special again and that does not work. I guess it's characters coming from outside that fail and F11 slides round the backdoor. -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:38 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33333 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:37 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919456:5:20000:46; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:24:16 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bb514171; 14 Feb 97 11:24 GMT From:(John Martin) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:38:17 +0000 Organization: 8 Oak Road Subject: 2 Up Printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.093817.66@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 16:20:54 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I think this has been asked before, but : Is there any chance of getting OvationPro to do 2 up A5 printing from an A4 master document. That will mean that I can cease using Impression Publisher for printing out pantomime scripts, which I usually do using A4 printing for the Stage Crew/Director/etc, and A5 copies for the cast (easier to hold when they haven't bothered to learn their lines in time for the rehearsals) I don't mean pamphlet printing - just 2 pages at 66% size on the same side of A4 in landscape mode. John From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:41 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33334 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:40 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919467:5:20050:50; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:24:27 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bc514171; 14 Feb 97 11:24 GMT From:("Sveinung W. Tengelsen") Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:39:49 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Editing Smart quotes to use Norwegian quotes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.093949.69@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 14:01:31 +0100 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 10 Feb, Sveinung W. Tengelsen wrote: [ Stuff which somehow became garbled in the transmission] Okay. Norwegian quotes are <<'s and >>'s (ASCII 171 and 187 respectively). -- Regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- mailto:pixeleye@sn.no | I have one illusion; http://www.sn.no/~pixeleye/Index.htm | I have no illusions. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:44 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33335 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:43 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919485:5:20180:49; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:24:45 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bd514171; 14 Feb 97 11:24 GMT From:(David Pilling) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:40:35 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Editing Smart quotes to use Norwegian quotes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.094035.73@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 01:40:41 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sveinung W. Tengelsen; >In Norwegian, we use =AB and =BB instead of =94 and =95 for quoting text. This is the crucial fragment. if (prevchar() > 32 && prevchar() != '(') key = (key == ''') ? '9' : '99'; else key = (key == ''') ? '6' : '66'; I think you just stick your quotes in between the single quotes at the ends of the above lines - after the question marks. I have inserted 6's and 9's above in the hope they'll come out intact. (unlike in the Edit/system font). David Pilling From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:47 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33336 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:46 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919502:6:21876:46; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:25:02 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id be514171; 14 Feb 97 11:24 GMT From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:41:52 +0000 Organization: Subject: Macro error To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.094152.41@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 14:19:24 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 When I click on the 'Clear Effects' macro I get an error message: "Error: wrong number of arguements at line 1 in macro" Any ideas what causes it? I haven't altered it from the default - I just haven't used it before. The wording in the Macro definition window is: {cleareffects()} Ray Dawson -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:51 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33337 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:49 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919509:6:21903:47; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:25:09 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bf514171; 14 Feb 97 11:25 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:54:50 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Importing styles. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.115450.06@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:00:11 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970213.093645.05@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > I may just be being thick here, but... > > I have a document template which is permanently stored as Stationery. I > then created a new style on my default document and wanted to import it > directly to my template. Tried doing this by saving a stylesheet and then > dragging this on to the other document, but it will only import it as > ASCII, which is not terribly helpful. You need to save the stylesheet and drag it into the Edit style dialogue. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:54 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33338 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:52 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919584:6:22192:48; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:26:24 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id al514171; 14 Feb 97 11:26 GMT From:(Matthew Hambley) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:36:27 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: A few niggles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.093627.33@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 08:50:51 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 > On Tue 04 Feb, Paul De Luca wrote: > > Any way of getting over the following niggles? > > > > 1 Following a full stop I leave a couple of spaces before typing the next > > sentence. However, if there's a need to wordwrap to start the sentence on > > the next line, the first character of the new line is a space. Hence the > > paragraph is not completely flush on its left-hand side. > > I thought that '2 spaces after a stop' was a hangover from ordinary tying > and should not normally be used with 'real' type? > Ie, don't do it :-) Otherwise, write an applet. I find that slightly insulting. I don't care if there's a smiley there. I use two spaces after a full stop because I find it aids the flow of the text. A text word wraping system should be capable of ignoring any amount of white space at the begining of a line. That way it caters far all preferences w.r.t. the number of spaces after a full stop. (\/)atthew From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:50:57 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33339 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:56 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919597:6:22288:48; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:26:37 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id br514171; 14 Feb 97 11:26 GMT From:(Andy Piper) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:36:45 +0000 Organization: Subject: Importing styles. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.093645.05@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 08:40:57 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I may just be being thick here, but... I have a document template which is permanently stored as Stationery. I then created a new style on my default document and wanted to import it directly to my template. Tried doing this by saving a stylesheet and then dragging this on to the other document, but it will only import it as ASCII, which is not terribly helpful. In Imp Style ("oh no, here he goes...") I was used to doing this by dragging another document onto the drop box in the New/Edit style dialogue. Am I missing something really obvious with OvPro? Andy -- Andrew Piper e-mail: bras0071@sable.ox.ac.uk www: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~bras0071/ snail://UK/OX1.4AJ/Oxford/Radcliffe.Square/Brasenose.College/Andrew.Piper *** All opinions expressed are my own! *** From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:51:01 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33340 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:50:59 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919604:5:20912:48; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:26:44 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bs514171; 14 Feb 97 11:26 GMT From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:36:59 +0000 Organization: Subject: Removing efects To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.093659.81@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 09:44:38 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 If I have a block of text with the size of the font etc set via the text menu, or import text from another document which has a different size body text font, it doesn't appear to be possible to remove the attributes of that text. It doesn't respond to 'Remove all styles and effects' or 'Remove Local effects' and the text has to be set manually to be the same as the rest. The problem here is that, because it now has its attributes set as effects, it no longer follows the body text style and doesn't change when that does. It is also not appear to be possible to remove local rulers using 'Remove Local effects'. What am I doing wrong? I have version 2.36 Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:51:04 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33341 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:51:02 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919617:6:22397:48; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:26:57 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bt514171; 14 Feb 97 11:26 GMT From:(Jonathan Overett) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:37:16 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Ovation Pro freezing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.093716.91@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:13:02 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 > On Fri 07 Feb, Carl Scarlett wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have been suffering from a bug that has been mentioned previously. > > > > When you try to apply a style/effect at the cursor and then type, for example > > turn on centre justification and then type, the machine freezes. This also > > occured when I created a new style and applied that at the cursor. > > > Yes, I suffered from it this afternoon - twice. I thought "ah!" > here's one to send off as proof. And when I tried it again later it > worked ok - aarrgghh! > I hadn't worked out what it was but reckon I've suffered this one several times as well. How about Ovation Pro freezing when you save documents - again you can use Alt-Break to get out of it, but the document hasn't been saved. I suspected there was something wrong with the applet that checks to see if you're saving over the top of another document, so I turned this off but the freezing still occurs occasionally. Jonathan Overett Christ's College, Cambridge University From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:51:07 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33342 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:51:05 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919644:5:21058:91; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:27:24 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bu514171; 14 Feb 97 11:27 GMT From:(Dr. P.N. Young) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:38:48 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Smart quotes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.093848.39@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 18:16:47 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Fri 7 Feb 97 (15:20:27 +0000), peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk wrote: > >I need a plain single quote as a foot sign (ie ') - I have turned off >Smart quotes in Choices Text and clicked Ok but I still get a smart >quote when I press that key :-( I use Keystroke to give me all the smart quotes and apostrophes (or foot signs) I need; use the "insert text" option using any shift-alt combination you find convenient. Then you can use smart quotes or plain as you wish. How did we manage without Keystroke? Cheers, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ 112,Linden Ave., Prestbury, Cheltenham, Anne \ / __ __ \ Glos. GL52 3DS, England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ +44 (0)1242-520459 James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:51:10 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33343 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:51:09 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919648:6:22501:49; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:27:28 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bv514171; 14 Feb 97 11:27 GMT From:(John Cartmell) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:39:03 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Errors To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.093903.78@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:37:37 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 10 Feb, Dr A G Gray wrote: > On Fri 7 Feb 97 (15:18:59 +0000), david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > ... commenting on Paul De Luca's observation: > > >>Spellchecking offered me this the other day - N'Djamena > >>Come on David - reveal all > > > >OK, it's the secret Klingon dictionary. > >Seriously could be one of your dictionaries is corrupt - > >you can try saving it as text to check, or scrolling through the N's. > >Otherwise it would be interesting to know how you got this. > > Well - I've got it too. Perhaps it's to do with Klingon poetry... It's obviously a myth (try browsing to find it ;-)) -- _/_/_/ _/ John Cartmell _/ __/_/ _/_/ _/_/ using Acorn Risc PCs - and StrongARMed _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ UK designed and made - British software _/_/ _/__/ _/ _/ _/ _/ supporting our own; even if it is the best ;-) From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:51:14 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33344 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:51:12 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919658:5:21219:46; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:27:38 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bw514171; 14 Feb 97 11:27 GMT From:(Dr. P.N. Young) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:39:19 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Smart quotes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.093919.81@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 18:16:47 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Fri 7 Feb 97 (15:20:27 +0000), peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk wrote: > >I need a plain single quote as a foot sign (ie ') - I have turned off >Smart quotes in Choices Text and clicked Ok but I still get a smart >quote when I press that key :-( I use Keystroke to give me all the smart quotes and apostrophes (or foot signs) I need; use the "insert text" option using any shift-alt combination you find convenient. Then you can use smart quotes or plain as you wish. How did we manage without Keystroke? Cheers, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ 112,Linden Ave., Prestbury, Cheltenham, Anne \ / __ __ \ Glos. GL52 3DS, England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ +44 (0)1242-520459 James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:51:17 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33345 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:51:15 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919675:6:22659:46; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:27:55 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bx514171; 14 Feb 97 11:27 GMT From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:39:35 +0000 Organization: Subject: Text in multiple column pages To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.093935.15@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 13:19:40 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 A couple of problems emerge when I use two or three column pages (text flowing columns on master pages). Firstly, when I have tried to remove Tab rulers and effects from blocks of text I have been unable to do it. I have had to export the text into Zap, delete the text on OP and then drop it back in again. I have also experienced problems trying to move local frames of text which I have created. I don't seem to be able to move them over page boundaries. Moving pages of text around to re-order articles invariably 'crashes' the text (not the program) so that pages further on just become a jumble of characters. The above using version 2.36. Ray Dawson -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:51:20 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33346 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:51:18 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919684:6:22697:46; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:28:04 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id by514171; 14 Feb 97 11:27 GMT From:(J E Johnson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:40:05 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Ovation Pro freezing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.094005.62@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 15:48:44 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Carl Scarlett wrote: > > Hi, > > I have been suffering from a bug that has been mentioned previously. > > When you try to apply a style/effect at the cursor and then type, for > example turn on centre justification and then type, the machine > freezes. This also occured when I created a new style and applied > that at the cursor. I have also encountered problems with Ovation Pro freezing upon applying styles, and would be glad to know if a "fix" is planned. -- John Johnson - Waterlooville, Hampshire, UK email: jjohnson@dial.pipex.com ------------------------------------------------- ACORN STRONGARM RISC PC ------------------------------------------------- ++ The On-Line Edition of St George's News ++ http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/plaza/jl51/index.htm email: stgeorges@dial.pipex.com ++ Waterlooville Lions Club ++ http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/plaza/jl51/lions.htm email: lions@dial.pipex.com From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:51:23 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33347 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:51:22 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919697:5:21423:46; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:28:17 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bz514171; 14 Feb 97 11:28 GMT From:(Keith Parker) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:41:21 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Smart quotes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.094121.73@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 11:55:18 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 10 Feb 97 (11:03:17 +0000), john@thirteen.demon.co.uk wrote: > To Peter Bond > Date Fri,07 Feb 1997 > Subject Turning off smart quotes > > I need a plain single quote as a foot sign (ie ') - I have turned off > > Smart quotes in Choices Text and clicked Ok but I still get a smart > > quote when I press that key :-( > Peter, try this instead > Press F11 to open 'Characters'. Click on the eighth character from top > left for feet symbol and the third from top left for inches sumbol. > This works quite independently of smart quotes (on my machine anyway). And on my machine as well :-) Thanks for that! Keith -- - - - - - - - - - Keith Parker = Print and Design Services - - - - - - - - - keithp@argonet.co.uk | suep@argonet.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/keithp/ | Physics Teacher struggling with For our latest news, services, prices | both Macs and Pentiums at school! - - 33 Fieldend, Twickenham, Middlesex, TW1 4TG. Tel: (44) 0181-892 9835 - - From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:51:27 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33348 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:51:25 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919713:5:21502:48; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:28:33 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ak514171; 14 Feb 97 11:28 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:55:05 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Ovation Pro freezing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.115505.93@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:27:46 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970213.093716.91@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I hadn't worked out what it was but reckon I've suffered this one several > times as well. How about Ovation Pro freezing when you save documents - > again you can use Alt-Break to get out of it, but the document hasn't been > saved. I suspected there was something wrong with the applet that checks > to see if you're saving over the top of another document, so I turned this > off but the freezing still occurs occasionally. Sounds more like a problem of the undo buffer being flushed when the doc is saved. Was the document double-sided or did it have embedded frames at all? A couple of bugs in this area were fixed. You should be able save the document as a DDL and re-import it to get around the problem. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:51:30 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33349 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:51:28 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919741:6:22958:46; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:29:01 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id cc514171; 14 Feb 97 11:28 GMT From:( Dr A G Gray) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:40:51 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Minimum page sizes and printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.094051.14@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 16:46:25 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 10 Feb 97 (11:02:59 +0000), david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: .... in answer to my problem about transferring an address string to OP: >I tend to use *fx138 (OS_Byte 138) for this purpose. You can do what >you want to do this way. The key trick is that bytes over 128 are >entered by using a zero byte as an escape. So to insert code 220, one has to >do fx138,0,0 followed by fx138,0,220. Perfect! Problem solved. The second request was to transfer eg. Bold or Italic: >The other part of the puzzle is to work out the codes which OPro >generates when you press e.g. Ctrl+Shift B. >Probably by going into Basic, enabling the OPro keyboard module, >*UKeyboard_on and then PRINT GET. Yep: 227 (Ctrl-Shift) followed by 2 gives Bold: 9 italic: 21 underline etc. Many thanks: I can now pass over all the details, nicely formatted, at the click of one icon. Cheers, -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Feb 14 14:51:33 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33350 for david ; Fri, 14 Feb 97 14:51:31 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 855919751:6:22958:112; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:29:11 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id cd514171; 14 Feb 97 11:29 GMT From:(Jack Evans) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:41:06 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Minimum page sizes and printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970213.094106.30@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 18:11:15 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 10 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > other valuable answers snipped > > The min page size has been made 1 inch square now. OK? > (and the max about 4 metres square) > A great leap forward, but .... could you knock another 5mm off and bring it down to 20mm? I produce Able-Label type name and address labels 43mm wide and 20mm high, print them on a 1-label A4 sheet and chop 'em up. The backing peels off easily with a pin and they're an ideal quick solution when filling in forms, identifying books and other personal property. I'd be sorry not to be able to do this in future if I switch fulltime to OP. > When I do this job, my technique is to design one label, and then use the > duplicate function to copy it over an A4 page. This gives you precise > control of position - important on self adhesive labels. Do I deduce that the IP feature Fit lots/Fit same pages will not be included in the OP Print options? If so, a pity for the sort of job I've indicated above as well for others like serially numbered tickets printed on A4 card and guillotined. -- Jack Evans Join the Bristol Acorn RISC User Group if you live locally - meet the people who matter and can help. URL is http://emrs.chm.bris.ac.uk/ARUG/ (The content of this message is not a BARUG policy statement). From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 18 16:39:34 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33539 for david ; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:39:31 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856282159:6:19786:58; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:09:19 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id ah708807; 18 Feb 97 16:08 GMT From:(Gunhild Hilpert) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:49:00 +0000 Organization: Subject: KeytoActive To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970218.094900.58@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Feb 97 23:03 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Hallo, I want to activate an inactive Textframe by Keypress - not by MouseClick. Does anybody know, which Script-Function I have to use, to make an inactive TextFrame an active one ? Many thanks - OVO is wonderful Hilpert , 086692358-0001@t-online.de From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 18 16:39:37 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33540 for david ; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:39:36 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856282183:5:28342:47; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:09:43 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id ao708807; 18 Feb 97 16:09 GMT From:(Peter Bond) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:47:41 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Smart quotes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970218.094741.93@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 21:12:03 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Thu 13 Feb, Keith Parker wrote: And as well as the 'F11 characters' I should have said that DP had pointed out that the Applet has it's own menu for simple quotes as well as key short cuts - ctrl/shift/1 or 2 AFAIR. (OvPro not loaded) -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 18 16:39:40 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33541 for david ; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:39:38 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856282184:5:28325:47; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:09:44 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id ag708807; 18 Feb 97 16:08 GMT From:(David Pilling) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:46:37 +0000 Organization: Subject: Web pages To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970218.094637.32@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 23:12:17 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 I hope I'm not telling everyone what they already know, but the OPro web pages have been updated with some new applets and hints and tips. See; http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro David Pilling From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 18 16:39:43 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33542 for david ; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:39:42 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856282185:5:28407:47; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:09:45 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id aq708807; 18 Feb 97 16:09 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:42:46 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Editing Smart quotes to use Norwegian quotes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970218.104246.21@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:55:51 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970218.094827.60@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > PS - I've attached a microscopic UUcoded file in order to show > the original charaters. Hope they survive and that no-one minds...=20 Well I suppose I do, I've let this through, but I must repeat that I don't want binaries posted to the list. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 18 16:39:46 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33543 for david ; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:39:45 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856282188:5:28450:48; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:09:48 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id ar708807; 18 Feb 97 16:09 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:43:00 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: KeytoActive To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970218.104300.86@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:03:11 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970218.094900.58@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Hallo, > > I want to activate an inactive Textframe by Keypress - not by MouseClick. > > Does anybody know, which Script-Function > I have to use, > to make an inactive TextFrame an active one ? No there isn't, the main problem is knowing which frame you would want to activate. However, we would be interested to know what you had in mind for such a function. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 18 16:39:49 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33544 for david ; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:39:48 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856282188:6:19848:49; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:09:48 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id an708807; 18 Feb 97 16:09 GMT From:(Anthony Hilton) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:47:27 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Find and replace To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970218.094727.51@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Feb 97 13:51:00 gmt X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I wrote: >I expect to be able to start the same find again. David Pilling replied: Might be good as an optional feature, but probably dangerous for some people. My further comment: But the continue button seems to have no function once the end of the file has been reached. I cannot see the danger of re-starting a search which has been through the document once. Anthony From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 18 16:39:54 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33546 for david ; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:39:52 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856282190:6:19879:47; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:09:50 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id ap708807; 18 Feb 97 16:09 GMT From:(Jonathan Overett) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:49:49 +0000 Organization: Subject: Shutdown To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970218.094949.58@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 16:05:47 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I was infuriated yesterday to find that when I shut down my Acorn Ovation Pro obediently quitted. Why? Because I had forgotten to save my work. Fortunately I didn't lose much, but don't shut down the computer or quit OP from the Task Manager window as the usual Risc Os protocols don't seem to be followed. This is in version 2.42, has this been noticed before? Jonathan Overett Christ's College, Cambridge. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 18 16:39:56 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33547 for david ; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:39:55 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856282253:5:28900:51; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:10:53 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id bc708807; 18 Feb 97 16:10 GMT From:(Dr. P.N. Young) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:48:44 +0000 Organization: Subject: Button bar scrolling, or not. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970218.094844.30@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Feb 97 12:45:24 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I have mentioned this to Beebug, who say that they can't reproduce it, and I wonder if anyone else has the same trouble. Particularly when using 100% zoom, the button bar won't always scroll. Sometimes it will if you "nudge" it several times, but not always then. I am using a Risc OC 610 with Risc OS 3.6; the Strong ARM still awaits me to find time to do the upgrade. Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ 112,Linden Ave., Prestbury, Cheltenham, Anne \ / __ __ \ Glos. GL52 3DS, England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ +44 (0)1242-520459 James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 18 16:39:59 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33548 for david ; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:39:58 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856282253:5:28908:47; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:10:53 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id bb708807; 18 Feb 97 16:10 GMT From:(Anthony Hilton) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:46:53 +0000 Organization: Subject: RE: Text in multiple column pages To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970218.094653.90@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Feb 97 13:34:00 gmt X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R Ray, Is this just a screen draw problem? I have seen apparently corrupt text after some editing/applying styles, but viewing a different page and returning shows it to be 'simply' a screen refresh problem. No, may be not. On re-reading your message it sounds like something different. Once this has happened can you get anything back or do you have to revert to a previous version? Anthony ---------- Moving pages of text around to re-order articles invariably 'crashes' the text (not the program) so that pages further on just become a jumble of characters. The above using version 2.36. Ray Dawson From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 18 16:40:02 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33549 for david ; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:40:00 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856282258:5:29004:47; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:10:58 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id bd708807; 18 Feb 97 16:10 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:43:29 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Shutdown To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970218.104329.88@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:39:56 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970218.094949.58@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I was infuriated yesterday to find that when I shut down my Acorn Ovation > Pro obediently quitted. Why? Because I had forgotten to save my work. > Fortunately I didn't lose much, but don't shut down the computer or quit > OP from the Task Manager window as the usual Risc Os protocols don't seem > to be followed. This is in version 2.42, has this been noticed before? This is a consequence of having the Give warnings option on the general choices dialogue box switched off. This warning should probably be made an exception and has been noted as such. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 18 16:40:05 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33550 for david ; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:40:03 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856282311:5:29364:47; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:11:51 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id bh708807; 18 Feb 97 16:11 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:43:15 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: A few niggles (fwd) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970218.104315.25@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:29:59 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970218.094932.64@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I received this recently. I think it was ment for this group. > > Mr Bond > > > > Are you as arrogant as your writings may imply? It is just possible that > > techniques from the past have their place in the present/future. :-) > > > > Some of us don't have the time or inclination to develop all the > > applications we need, consequently we simply purchase those which closely > > meets our requirements. If !Edit can get its wordwrapping correct, is it > > really too much to expect Ovation Pro to cope? OK I posted this to the list because I wasn't exactly sure what to do about such an article. I had hoped we were all grown up enough not to resort to name calling and petty bickering on the list or to post articles that would induce such a response. So if you have disputes take it to email (as one of you attempted in this situation), don't then post responses to private email to the list. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 18 16:40:09 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33551 for david ; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:40:07 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856282316:5:29375:50; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:11:56 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id bn708807; 18 Feb 97 16:11 GMT From:("Sveinung W. Tengelsen") Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:47:57 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: A few niggles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970218.094757.17@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 22:10:31 +0100 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Thu 13 Feb, Matthew Hambley wrote: > > On Tue 04 Feb, Paul De Luca wrote: > > > Any way of getting over the following niggles? > > > > > > 1 Following a full stop I leave a couple of spaces before typing the next > > > sentence. However, if there's a need to wordwrap to start the sentence on > > > the next line, the first character of the new line is a space. Hence the > > > paragraph is not completely flush on its left-hand side. > > > > I thought that '2 spaces after a stop' was a hangover from ordinary tying > > and should not normally be used with 'real' type? > > Ie, don't do it :-) Otherwise, write an applet. > > I find that slightly insulting. Come on... you can't let yourself be insulted by a typographical rule! 8) Ob. extra spaces: ever tried to do a sensible search/replace to reformat "over-spaced" text? Not fun. -- Regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- mailto:pixeleye@sn.no | I have one illusion; http://www.sn.no/~pixeleye/Index.htm | I have no illusions. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 18 16:40:12 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33552 for david ; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:40:10 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856282318:5:29399:47; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:11:58 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id bg708807; 18 Feb 97 16:11 GMT From:( Dr A G Gray) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:50:03 +0000 Organization: Subject: Printing multiple copies to File To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970218.095003.96@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Feb 97 12:19:54 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Have I misunderstood something here? I wish to have several of my standard stationery prints available as Printf= iles, so that I can easily print, say, 10 letterheaded pages by dropping th= e Printfile onto the printer icon. One page (with its graphics in the heading) takes 28k. A Printfile of 10 of= these takes 415k, and when =91printing to file', the machine laboriously g= oes through 10 'print runs' via scrap. I have 'Print in Background' selected in the Printer set-up, and printchoic= es set to 1 (p. 161 in the manual). Similar operations in, ahem, IP & Turbodrivers, produce a 'Printfile' of ab= out the same size as one copy of the original. Surely there must be a more efficient way? Regards to all, -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=3D323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 18 16:40:15 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33553 for david ; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:40:13 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856282319:5:29410:47; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:11:59 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id bm708807; 18 Feb 97 16:11 GMT From:(Anthony Hilton) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:47:10 +0000 Organization: Subject: RE: Removing effects To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970218.094710.64@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Feb 97 13:42:00 gmt X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Ray, When OPro imports text with a different style definition under the same name it seems to bring in the old style with a variant of the name eg Body01 to distinguish it from your _real_ style. Is this the source/cause of your problem? Anthony ---------- From: maillist To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Subject: Removing effects Date: 13 February 1997 09:36 If I have a block of text with the size of the font etc set via the text menu, or import text from another document which has a different size body text font, it doesn't appear to be possible to remove the attributes of that text. It doesn't respond to 'Remove all styles and effects' or 'Remove Local effects' and the text has to be set manually to be the same as the rest. The problem here is that, because it now has its attributes set as effects, it no longer follows the body text style and doesn't change when that does. It is also not appear to be possible to remove local rulers using 'Remove Local effects'. What am I doing wrong? I have version 2.36 Cheers, Ray D From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 18 16:40:18 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33554 for david ; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:40:16 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856282326:5:29466:47; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:12:06 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id bo708807; 18 Feb 97 16:11 GMT From: r.w.darlington@acoustics.salford.ac.uk Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:49:17 +0000 Organization: Subject: changing font in rtf files To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970218.094917.16@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: 14 Feb 97 11:16 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Could any one, or the author of the TransRTF program, tell me the following. I need to import RTF files into Ovation Pro. In these RTF files, which I generate from another program I am writing, I need to repeatedly change the fonts from default to MathGreek and back again. My problem is that I know neither the commands nor the syntax in which Ovation Pro will recognise to effect these changes when importing RTF files. In desperation, I have tried alsorts of commands and syntax, but Ovation Pro stubbornly refuses to take any notice of any of them, apart from /up and /dn for superscript and subscript, which work fine. I have a file purporting to be RTF instructions, but it is totally in-comprehensible, being in a mixture of HTML and RTF from which I cannot untangle any commands whatsoever, well, none that Ovation Pro will recognise anyway. StrongED claims to have a HTML reader, but it appears to be nothing of a sort, fairing no better than Zap at displaying HTML files. So, will the author of TransRTF please tell me what commands it will recognise to change fonts from default to something else and back again. Thanks very much for any help anyone can shed on this Roger Darlington@acoustics.salford.ac.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 18 16:40:21 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33555 for david ; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:40:19 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856282330:5:29519:48; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:12:10 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id bp708807; 18 Feb 97 16:12 GMT From:(Mr T J Chubb) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:50:20 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Anchoring/embedding objects To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970218.095020.73@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Feb 97 19:27:30 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Is there any way to anchor objects to a page so that they move with their surroundings? I am aware of embedding objects and have had some success with small, single entities. However, I have a text block, its frame and a small icon pointing to the text, all grouped into a single object. There are several of these in the document. If I make the slightest alteration to the (lengthy) document, I have to painstakingly go through the document and adjust the position of each subsequent object in relation to its surroundings. If I try to embed it, I lose all the text that follows, along with the object I am trying to embed! I suspect the latter problem is a bug, but being able to 'stick' an object in place would be very handy. I think I am right in assuming that it is not possible to anchor an object that overlaps the edge of the underlying frame (as in the page set out in the tutorial). Perhaps I am looking for too many bells and whistles? Cheers, Tom Chubb -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 18 16:40:25 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33556 for david ; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:40:23 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856282383:5:29840:50; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:13:03 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id bv708807; 18 Feb 97 16:12 GMT From:("Sveinung W. Tengelsen") Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:48:27 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Editing Smart quotes to use Norwegian quotes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970218.094827.60@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 21:53:39 +0100 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Thu 13 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 > > Sveinung W. Tengelsen; >=20 > >In Norwegian, we use =3DAB and =3DBB instead of =3D94 and =3D95 for qu= oting text. >=20 > This is the crucial fragment. >=20 > if (prevchar() > 32 && prevchar() !=3D '(') > key =3D (key =3D=3D ''') ? '9' : '99'; > else > key =3D (key =3D=3D ''') ? '6' : '66'; Exchanging 99 with >> and 66 with << gives the result I want. :) Only I'd like Norw. quotes *in addition* to the "English" open/close quotes (I write English text with Ovation Pro too...) - how do I achieve that? I've managed to get the new << >> - entry stuck in at the end of the Ovation Pro Quotes applet-menu - Plain CS_3 << >> - where CS_3 is ^-arrowup-3. Now my Quotes file looks like this: ... if (key =3D=3D ''' || key =3D=3D '\"') { if (prevchar() > 32 && prevchar() !=3D '(') key =3D (key =3D=3D ''') ? '=91' : '>>'; else key =3D (key =3D=3D ''') ? '=90' : '<<'; } return(key); } ... and at the bottom (line 87 in the file), addentry_menu(quotes_handle, "quotes_menu_entry","","","CS_3","{QUOTES_0= 3}"); So. I guess I need a new if-key-else-key snippet in there, in order to get both types of quotes. > I think you just stick your quotes in between the single quotes at > the ends of the above lines - after the question marks. > I have inserted 6's and 9's above in the hope they'll come out intact. > (unlike in the Edit/system font). Aye, a dire curse over 7-bit character-sets. 8) PS - I've attached a microscopic UUcoded file in order to show the original charaters. Hope they survive and that no-one minds...=20 --=20 Regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- mailto:pixeleye@sn.no | I have one illusion; http://www.sn.no/~pixeleye/Index.htm | I have no illusions. # *** MIME-format mode disabled by user *** # # The following data is packaged using uuencode # You can decode this message using ANT !Marcel, or by hand # Created using the !Marcel mail package from ANT Ltd (sales@ant.co.uk) # begin 644 new/arc,ddc M4$L#! @ ( *FF3B+3.H:J> +H % !@ 8FQO8VM!0Q@ 05)#,$ Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970218.094812.33@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Feb 97 21:14:50 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 John Martin; >Is there any chance of getting OvationPro to do 2 up A5 printing from an A4 >master document. That will mean that I can cease using Impression Publisher >for printing out pantomime scripts, which I usually do using A4 printing for >the Stage Crew/Director/etc, and A5 copies for the cast (easier to hold when >they haven't bothered to learn their lines in time for the rehearsals) >I don't mean pamphlet printing - just 2 pages at 66% size on the same side >of A4 in landscape mode. Err. isn't that what we call 'Galley' printing. 2 up we can do. The thing which is often asked for is more than 2 up. A feature I will be only too happy to add. Jack Evans; >Do I deduce that the IP feature Fit lots/Fit same pages will not be included >in the OP Print options? If so, a pity for the sort of job I've indicated >above as well for others like serially numbered tickets printed on A4 card >and guillotined. No. Just that the other way does have some advantages and is available now. BTW someone asked to increase the number of copies you can print. I believe all you have to do is edit the templates and change the string length of the icon from 3 to 4. This will be the default length in future. Ian Hunter; >A while ago there was some correspondance on who to get the Super Shift >applet to capitialise after two spaces, instead of the one that it does. Add in !SuprShft.Library.SuprShft after if(suprshft_flag == 1 && key == 32 || key == 13 || key == 394 || key == 2061 || key == 6669) suprshft_flag = 2; else This bit; if(suprshft_flag ==2 && key == 32) suprshft_flag = 2; else David Pilling From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 18 16:40:33 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33558 for david ; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:40:30 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856282395:5:29866:54; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:13:15 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id bx708807; 18 Feb 97 16:12 GMT From:(Matthew Hambley) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:49:32 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: A few niggles (fwd) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970218.094932.64@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 08:54:43 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I received this recently. I think it was ment for this group. Forwarded message: > From emirates.net.ae!pgdeluca Fri Feb 14 22:40:08 1997 > Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 02:38:03 +0000 (GMT) > From: Paul De Luca > Subject: Re: A few niggles > To: peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk > Cc: ceemah@cee.hw.ac.uk > Message-ID: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 > X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? > X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.08] > > On Thu 13 Feb, Matthew Hambley wrote: > > > On Tue 04 Feb, Paul De Luca wrote: > > > > Any way of getting over the following niggles? > > > > > > > > 1 Following a full stop I leave a couple of spaces before typing the next > > > > sentence. However, if there's a need to wordwrap to start the sentence on > > > > the next line, the first character of the new line is a space. Hence the > > > > paragraph is not completely flush on its left-hand side. > > > > > > I thought that '2 spaces after a stop' was a hangover from ordinary tying > > > and should not normally be used with 'real' type? > > > Ie, don't do it :-) Otherwise, write an applet. > > > > I find that slightly insulting. I don't care if there's a smiley there. I > > use two spaces after a full stop because I find it aids the flow of the text. > > A text word wraping system should be capable of ignoring any amount of white > > space at the begining of a line. That way it caters far all preferences > > w.r.t. the number of spaces after a full stop. > > > > (\/)atthew > > > > Mr Bond > > Are you as arrogant as your writings may imply? It is just possible that > techniques from the past have their place in the present/future. :-) > > Some of us don't have the time or inclination to develop all the > applications we need, consequently we simply purchase those which closely > meets our requirements. If !Edit can get its wordwrapping correct, is it > really too much to expect Ovation Pro to cope? > > Just because the convention came from the past > > Ciao > > -- > - > Paul De Luca O O BEd BA MSc MBCS > --------------------------------uu--U--uu--------------------------------- > Compared to the Acorn Risc PC, > almost any fool can see that PCs are crap, except the fools that matter. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > PGP Key fingerprint 38 F6 0A 91 09 74 24 F2 8D 0F 12 DA 28 D8 F0 6A > > I use ANT's excellent Internet Suite, do you? > -- (\/)atthew Hambley ----------------------\ It doesn't matter if the cat is term: ceemah@cee.hw.ac.uk \ black or white as long as it's non-term: mhambley@arcade.demon.co.uk \ been cooked in a Wok. www: http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceemah/ \------------------- K. Thomas From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 18 16:40:36 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33559 for david ; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:40:34 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856282404:6:21120:47; Tue, 18 Feb 97 16:13:24 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id bs708807; 18 Feb 97 16:12 GMT From:(Peter Collins) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:46:21 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Errors To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970218.094621.08@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 19:58:11 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Mon 10 Feb 97 (11:29:56 +0000), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: >In message <19970210.110451.28@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > >> On Fri, 07 Feb 1997 15:18:59 +0000, David Pilling wrote: > >> > >Spellchecking offered me this the other day - N'Djamena >> > >Come on David - reveal all >> > >> > OK, it's the secret Klingon dictionary. >> > Seriously could be one of your dictionaries is corrupt - >> > you can try saving it as text to check, or scrolling through the >N's. >> > Otherwise it would be interesting to know how you got this. >> > >> >> If it is, then mine is also in exactly the same way. A bit too much >of a >> coincidence? > >This word does appear in the dictionary on the distribution masters. > >I have no idea how it got there or what it means. I did the revamp >of the dictionary for Ovation Pro so currently I am the chief suspect >for 'adding odd words to the dictionary', but it's all a mystery to >me. Time to call in Scully and Mulder I think. > >The word will be gone from the dictionary in the next release. I have a feeling that the this strange word is actually the capital of Chad in Africa. Does this mean that London and every other capital city will need deleting from the dictionary. Just a thought!! -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ petecollins@argonet.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 24 19:24:25 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33969 for david ; Mon, 24 Feb 97 19:24:22 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856772895:5:21459:51; Mon, 24 Feb 97 08:28:15 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id ad709200; 24 Feb 97 8:27 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:48:53 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Shutdown To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970220.114853.22@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:17:07 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19970220.090256.16@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I want to know how he got 2.42... and what its got over 2.36... The distribution version changes over time, everyone should have 2.36 or later. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 24 19:24:30 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33970 for david ; Mon, 24 Feb 97 19:24:28 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856773091:6:28740:49; Mon, 24 Feb 97 08:31:31 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id ah709200; 24 Feb 97 8:29 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:49:07 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Ndjamena!!! To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970220.114907.57@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:21:36 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19970220.090344.40@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > No, it prints page 1 on the right of the first page and page 2 on the left of > the second page. I can't get a 2 page document to print pages 1 and 2 side by > side. You can by specifying that the chapter starts on the left page, using the start on left option on the Modify chapter dialogue. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 24 19:24:36 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33971 for david ; Mon, 24 Feb 97 19:24:34 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856773093:5:22535:47; Mon, 24 Feb 97 08:31:33 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id ai709200; 24 Feb 97 8:29 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:49:38 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: automatic loading of text editor To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970220.114938.97@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:32:55 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19970220.090504.26@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Somehow, I have no idea how, I have accidentally managed to make Ovation Pro > load in a text editor from disc whenever Ovation Pro is run from disc. You've probably copied it into the Applets directory. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 24 19:24:41 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33972 for david ; Mon, 24 Feb 97 19:24:38 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856773285:6:29646:47; Mon, 24 Feb 97 08:34:45 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id aq709200; 24 Feb 97 8:34 GMT From:(Jamie Lawrence) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:02:38 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Button bar scrolling, or not. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970220.090238.36@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 17:16:01 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R > I have mentioned this to Beebug, who say that they can't reproduce it, and I > wonder if anyone else has the same trouble. > > Particularly when using 100% zoom, the button bar won't always scroll. > Sometimes it will if you "nudge" it several times, but not always then. > > I am using a Risc OC 610 with Risc OS 3.6; the Strong ARM still awaits me to > find time to do the upgrade. > I must admit that my newly arrived copy of Ov Pro does scroll the button bar quite slowly even on the StrongARM. Its more jumpy than slow though. I haven't had much experience with Ov Pro yet, nor have Iread the manual but... can the button bar be more than one level deep? Cheers, Jamie Lawrence From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 24 19:24:48 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33973 for david ; Mon, 24 Feb 97 19:24:46 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856773307:6:29778:49; Mon, 24 Feb 97 08:35:07 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id ar709200; 24 Feb 97 8:34 GMT From:(Mike Hatton) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:04:47 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Shutdown To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970220.090447.10@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:03:40 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 18 Feb, Jonathan Overett wrote: > I was infuriated yesterday to find that when I shut down my Acorn Ovation > Pro obediently quitted. Why? Because I had forgotten to save my work. > Fortunately I didn't lose much, but don't shut down the computer or quit > OP from the Task Manager window as the usual Risc Os protocols don't seem > to be followed. This is in version 2.42, has this been noticed before? > I'm still using Version 2.36. When can I expect to receive my upgrade to 2.42? ------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Hatton mike@mail.zynet.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------ From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 24 19:24:54 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33974 for david ; Mon, 24 Feb 97 19:24:51 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856773355:6:29984:50; Mon, 24 Feb 97 08:35:55 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id as709200; 24 Feb 97 8:35 GMT From: r.w.darlington@acoustics.salford.ac.uk Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:05:04 +0000 Organization: Subject: automatic loading of text editor To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970220.090504.26@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: 19 Feb 97 9:44 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R Somehow, I have no idea how, I have accidentally managed to make Ovation Pro load in a text editor from disc whenever Ovation Pro is run from disc. The problem is, that I do not wish Ovation Pro to do this! I have searched high and low through Ovation Pro options, choices, defaults, run files, boot files, the lot, and nowhere can I find how or where Ovation Pro has gathered up a command to load in a text editor. Can anyone please help. P.S. I accidentally gave a slightly in-correct e-mail address on my last question about RTF files. My proper address is: R.W.DARLINGTON@acoustics.salford.ac.uk Thank you for any help on this matter. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 24 19:24:59 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33975 for david ; Mon, 24 Feb 97 19:24:57 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856773412:5:24271:49; Mon, 24 Feb 97 08:36:52 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id at709200; 24 Feb 97 8:36 GMT From:(Lloyd Butler) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:06:08 +0000 Organization: Subject: Preferences To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970220.090608.58@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 19:32:54 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R I wonder if there is a way to change the default preferences with regard frames. I work in QXP with no text inset, repel off and transparent background on my frames. Is there any way to set these attributes so that I don't have to change every frame I create? Yours, Lloyd -- %\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\% \My RISC processor has a 100% %\ Lloyd %\ lloyd@lbutler.demon.co.uk\ %native OS - so it can't be Mac \% Butler \% butler@argonet.co.uk % \- it must be an Acorn RiscPC %\ %\ Compuserve: 100145,3666 \ %\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\% From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 24 19:25:04 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33976 for david ; Mon, 24 Feb 97 19:25:02 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856773455:6:00473:69; Mon, 24 Feb 97 08:37:35 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id au709200; 24 Feb 97 8:37 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:48:37 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Button bar scrolling, or not. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970220.114837.65@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 10:53:36 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19970220.090238.36@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I must admit that my newly arrived copy of Ov Pro does scroll the > button bar quite slowly even on the StrongARM. Its more jumpy than > slow though. I haven't had much experience with Ov Pro yet, nor have > Iread the manual but... can the button bar be more than one level > deep? Well I guess it depends on what else is running, on my standard Risc Pc the scrolling is acceptable. Changes to the button bar will be available in the final release including more than one level. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 24 19:25:10 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33977 for david ; Mon, 24 Feb 97 19:25:08 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856773496:6:00703:54; Mon, 24 Feb 97 08:38:16 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id av709200; 24 Feb 97 8:37 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:50:09 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Preferences To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970220.115009.19@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:43:45 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19970220.090608.58@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I wonder if there is a way to change the default preferences with regard > frames. > > I work in QXP with no text inset, repel off and transparent background on my > frames. > > Is there any way to set these attributes so that I don't have to change every > frame I create? No, not currently at least. You can set the default inset from choices, but not bg colour or text flow. Bg colour is a possibility from addition to choices. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 24 19:25:16 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33978 for david ; Mon, 24 Feb 97 19:25:14 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856773570:6:01006:52; Mon, 24 Feb 97 08:39:30 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id aw709200; 24 Feb 97 8:38 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:50:24 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: How to avoid clashing shortcuts? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970220.115024.60@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:45:34 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19970220.090639.97@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Hey, > > I've noticed that with the current avalance on Ovation Pro applets > (hooray!:) there appears to be a few key-shortcut clashes - for instance, > QuickSave appears to "steal" the C_S combination from "Swap case". Sorry about the clash it was an error, we will upload another when we have changed it. Incidentally I should restate that any applets you write can be placed on our web site for others to use. The nice thing about the script language is that it is quite easy to write these things. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 24 19:25:22 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33979 for david ; Mon, 24 Feb 97 19:25:20 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856773723:5:25982:49; Mon, 24 Feb 97 08:42:03 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id bi709200; 24 Feb 97 8:41 GMT From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:05:19 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: new applets To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970220.090519.40@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 10:42:23 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R I've downloaded the QuickSve applet from the web site and find it very useful. One thing I have done is to move it from C_S to C_F3 as C_S is already taken up by either spellcheck or swap case, depending on your convention. Just change the line in the !Quicksve.Library.QuickSve script file to say C_F3 (or whatever you prefer) instead of C_S. On a similar note, does anyone know how to alter the !Menus file to put 'Save text story' onto S_F3? I thought it would be rather useful to have it on a keypress, as well as in the menu, but haven't been able to get it to work. Ray Dawson -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 24 19:25:26 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33980 for david ; Mon, 24 Feb 97 19:25:24 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856773723:5:25996:47; Mon, 24 Feb 97 08:42:03 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id bj709200; 24 Feb 97 8:41 GMT From:(John Martin) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:05:35 +0000 Organization: 8 Oak Road Subject: Re: Ndjamena!!! To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970220.090535.50@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:49:51 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R david@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > John Martin; >> Is there any chance of getting OvationPro to do 2 up A5 printing from >> an A4 master document. That will mean that I can cease using >> Impression Publisher for printing out pantomime scripts, which I >> usually do using A4 printing for the Stage Crew/Director/etc, and A5 >> copies for the cast (easier to hold when they haven't bothered to learn >> their lines in time for the rehearsals) I don't mean pamphlet printing >> - just 2 pages at 66% size on the same side of A4 in landscape mode. > Err. isn't that what we call 'Galley' printing. 2 up we can do. The > thing which is often asked for is more than 2 up. A feature I will be > only too happy to add. Quite right. Sorry - I managed to miss that one. Am I forgiven? It would be useful (although not essential for me) to do 4 up as well, please. John p.s. That's probably the last nail in Impression's coffin for me, apart from all the old documents I already have in that format (including many scripts) From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 24 19:25:31 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33981 for david ; Mon, 24 Feb 97 19:25:29 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856773724:5:25997:47; Mon, 24 Feb 97 08:42:04 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id bg709200; 24 Feb 97 8:41 GMT From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:03:59 +0000 Organization: Subject: RE: Removing effects To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970220.090359.94@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 97 18:39:17 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 18 Feb 97 (09:47:10 +0000), ajh@yco.leeds.ac.uk wrote: > >Ray, > >When OPro imports text with a different style definition under the same >name it seems to bring in the old style with a variant of the name eg >Body01 to distinguish it from your _real_ style. Is this the >source/cause of your >problem? > >Anthony No, I think part of the problem is due to a mysterious text size that appears at the bottom of the text size window at 0pt when text is imported from another OP document - not all the time, but sometimes. If I make it say 12pt, the problem goes away in part, but I then can't delete the text attribute so that it follows the bodytext. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 24 19:25:38 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33982 for david ; Mon, 24 Feb 97 19:25:35 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856773724:5:26003:47; Mon, 24 Feb 97 08:42:04 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id bf709200; 24 Feb 97 8:41 GMT From:(The Bunglerer) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:02:56 +0000 Organization: Toyfarm Subject: Re: Shutdown To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970220.090256.16@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:36:15 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19970218.104329.88@risc.demon.co.uk> Ian MacDougall wrote: > In message <19970218.094949.58@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > I was infuriated yesterday to find that when I shut down my Acorn Ovation > > Pro obediently quitted. Why? Because I had forgotten to save my work. > > Fortunately I didn't lose much, but don't shut down the computer or quit > > OP from the Task Manager window as the usual Risc Os protocols don't seem > > to be followed. This is in version 2.42, has this been noticed before? > > This is a consequence of having the Give warnings option on the > general choices dialogue box switched off. This warning should probably > be made an exception and has been noted as such. > I want to know how he got 2.42... and what its got over 2.36... From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 24 19:25:44 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33983 for david ; Mon, 24 Feb 97 19:25:41 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856773726:6:01791:47; Mon, 24 Feb 97 08:42:06 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id bh709200; 24 Feb 97 8:41 GMT From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:04:15 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Button bar scrolling, or not. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970220.090415.02@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 97 18:41:58 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 18 Feb 97 (09:48:44 +0000), pnyoung@argonet.co.uk wrote: >I have mentioned this to Beebug, who say that they can't reproduce it, >and I wonder if anyone else has the same trouble. > >Particularly when using 100% zoom, the button bar won't always scroll. >Sometimes it will if you "nudge" it several times, but not always then. > >I am using a Risc OC 610 with Risc OS 3.6; the Strong ARM still awaits >me to find time to do the upgrade. I've always found the button bar a bit 'insensitive' to scrolling. You need to get very close to the edge of the scroll bar section, but not in it, before it will scroll. Perhaps it's apparently worse for larger desktop sizes. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 24 19:25:48 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33984 for david ; Mon, 24 Feb 97 19:25:47 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856773728:6:01773:50; Mon, 24 Feb 97 08:42:08 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id bk709200; 24 Feb 97 8:41 GMT From:(Peter Blenkinsop) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:05:51 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: KeytoActive To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970220.090551.51@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:26:28 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 18 Feb, Ian MacDougall wrote: > In message <19970218.094900.58@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > Hallo, > > > > I want to activate an inactive Textframe by Keypress - not by MouseClick. > > > > Does anybody know, which Script-Function > > I have to use, > > to make an inactive TextFrame an active one ? > > No there isn't, the main problem is knowing which frame you would want > to activate. However, we would be interested to know what you had > in mind for such a function. > How about having a key which cycles through the frames and one stops at the one one wants active? -- Peter Blenkinsop World shattering problem No 52: Why do the hand rails on escalators *always* go at a different speed to the escalator? From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 24 19:25:52 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33985 for david ; Mon, 24 Feb 97 19:25:51 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856773786:5:26384:50; Mon, 24 Feb 97 08:43:06 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id bn709200; 24 Feb 97 8:42 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:49:54 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: KeytoActive To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970220.114954.12@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:35:25 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19970220.090551.51@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On Tue 18 Feb, Ian MacDougall wrote: > > In message <19970218.094900.58@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > Hallo, > > > > > > I want to activate an inactive Textframe by Keypress - not by MouseClick. > > No there isn't, the main problem is knowing which frame you would want > > to activate. However, we would be interested to know what you had > > in mind for such a function. > > > > How about having a key which cycles through the frames and one stops at > the one one wants active? > That would work where you want it work manually and when you don't have many frames in your doc, but would not work too well wi one was trying to automate a process (as the original poster has informed me that he wants to do). I've added the idea to the list though. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 24 19:25:56 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33986 for david ; Mon, 24 Feb 97 19:25:54 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856773786:5:26395:47; Mon, 24 Feb 97 08:43:06 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id bl709200; 24 Feb 97 8:42 GMT From:("Sveinung W. Tengelsen") Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:06:39 +0000 Organization: Subject: How to avoid clashing shortcuts? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970220.090639.97@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:21:29 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R Hey, I've noticed that with the current avalance on Ovation Pro applets (hooray!:) there appears to be a few key-shortcut clashes - for instance, QuickSave appears to "steal" the C_S combination from "Swap case". Is there any way of avoiding this? Best solution would may be a function like the "Macros" dialogue-box, where current key-shortcuts are displayed and can be (re)mapped both onto integral Ovation Pro shortcuts *and* those of the applets by the use of radio-buttons. Any thoughts on this anyone? If the current deluge of applets continues (yeah!:) we'll have an awful time re-mapping the shortcuts manually... -- Regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- mailto:pixeleye@sn.no | I have one illusion; http://www.sn.no/~pixeleye/Index.htm | I have no illusions. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 24 19:26:03 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33987 for david ; Mon, 24 Feb 97 19:25:59 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856773789:6:02048:47; Mon, 24 Feb 97 08:43:09 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id bm709200; 24 Feb 97 8:42 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:49:23 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Shutdown To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970220.114923.41@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:28:35 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19970220.090447.10@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On Tue 18 Feb, Jonathan Overett wrote: > > > I was infuriated yesterday to find that when I shut down my Acorn Ovation > > Pro obediently quitted. Why? Because I had forgotten to save my work. > > Fortunately I didn't lose much, but don't shut down the computer or quit > > OP from the Task Manager window as the usual Risc Os protocols don't seem > > to be followed. This is in version 2.42, has this been noticed before? > > > > > I'm still using Version 2.36. When can I expect to receive my upgrade > to 2.42? You can't, if we upgraded our whole customer base every time we changed versions Ovation Pro would be no more, we'd spend all of our time and other limited resources doing just this. The full release will be the next version you will get as soon as we can finish it. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 24 19:26:09 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33988 for david ; Mon, 24 Feb 97 19:26:06 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856773791:5:26419:48; Mon, 24 Feb 97 08:43:11 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id bs709200; 24 Feb 97 8:43 GMT From:(John Brand) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:03:29 +0000 Organization: Empire Ridge Pty Ltd Subject: Re: Anchoring/embedding objects To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970220.090329.88@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:05:58 +1000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R Mr T J Chubb wrote: > > Is there any way to anchor objects to a page so that they move with their > surroundings? I am aware of embedding objects and have had some success with > small, single entities. However, I have a text block, its frame and a small > icon pointing to the text, all grouped into a single object. There are several > of these in the document. If I make the slightest alteration to the (lengthy) > document, I have to painstakingly go through the document and adjust the > position of each subsequent object in relation to its surroundings. If I try > to embed it, I lose all the text that follows, along with the object I am > trying to embed! > > I suspect the latter problem is a bug, but being able to 'stick' an object in > place would be very handy. > > I think I am right in assuming that it is not possible to anchor an object that > overlaps the edge of the underlying frame (as in the page set out in the > tutorial). Perhaps I am looking for too many bells and whistles? I doubt it. I've been after this feature since the original package was released. It is an absolute necessity these days. John -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- John Brand john@empire.com.au Manager - Multimedia/Data Management Empire Ridge Pty Ltd http://www.empireridge.com.au/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 24 19:26:16 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33989 for david ; Mon, 24 Feb 97 19:26:13 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856773818:6:02175:69; Mon, 24 Feb 97 08:43:38 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id ab709200; 24 Feb 97 8:43 GMT From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:03:44 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Ndjamena!!! To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970220.090344.40@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 97 18:46:13 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 18 Feb 97 (09:48:12 +0000), david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > >>Is there any chance of getting OvationPro to do 2 up A5 printing from >an A4 >>master document. That will mean that I can cease using Impression >Publisher >>for printing out pantomime scripts, which I usually do using A4 >printing for >>the Stage Crew/Director/etc, and A5 copies for the cast (easier to >hold when >>they haven't bothered to learn their lines in time for the rehearsals) >>I don't mean pamphlet printing - just 2 pages at 66% size on the same >side >>of A4 in landscape mode. > >Err. isn't that what we call 'Galley' printing. 2 up we can do. The >thing which is often asked for is more than 2 up. A feature I will be only >too happy to add. No, it prints page 1 on the right of the first page and page 2 on the left of the second page. I can't get a 2 page document to print pages 1 and 2 side by side. The equivalent of Publishers 'Fit Lots' would be extremely useful as well - so that a single A4 page can be scaled down by 69% to produce 2 side by side A5's on the same sheet, or even 4 if scaled down further. It is also very useful for producing labels and tickets. Ray D Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 24 19:26:22 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33990 for david ; Mon, 24 Feb 97 19:26:18 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856773826:6:02175:137; Mon, 24 Feb 97 08:43:46 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id bt709200; 24 Feb 97 8:43 GMT From:(David Pilling) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:04:30 +0000 Organization: Subject: Quoting Norwegian To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970220.090430.87@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 01:16:16 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sveinung W. Tengelsen; >Only I'd like Norw. quotes *in addition* to the "English" open/close >quotes (I write English text with Ovation Pro too...) - how do I >achieve that? What you have (in the Quotes applet Library file); addentry_menu(quotes_handle, "quotes_menu_entry","","","CS_1","{QUOTES_01}"); addentry_menu(quotes_handle, "quotes_menu_entry","","","CS_2","{QUOTES_02}"); What you need to add; addentry_menu(quotes_handle, "quotes_menu_entry","","","CS_3","<"); addentry_menu(quotes_handle, "quotes_menu_entry","","","CS_4","<<"); The CS_3 means Control-shift 3 i.e. the key press, and the thing after it is the text for the menu - you can add that direct as above or as a token {QUOTES_03} which then has to be defined in the Messages file in the applet. And then find this bit; int quotes_menu_entry(int entry, int subcode) { switch(entry) { case 0: type("'"); break; case 1: type("\""); break; } return(0); } And add two more case's (between the last break and following brace) case 2: type("<"); break; case 3: type("<<"); break; These type the characters for the two extra menu entries you defined. David Pilling From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 24 19:26:28 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33991 for david ; Mon, 24 Feb 97 19:26:25 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856773851:6:02369:49; Mon, 24 Feb 97 08:44:11 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id bw709200; 24 Feb 97 8:43 GMT From:(David Pilling) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:03:12 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: RE: Text in multiple column pages To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970220.090312.50@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 97 17:03:54 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Anthony Hilton; >>Might be good as an optional feature, but probably dangerous for some >>people. >But the continue button seems to have no function once the end of the file >has been reached. I cannot see the danger of re-starting a search which has >been through the document once. Well I was imagining someone would just keep clicking on continue and go through their document a few times before they got bored or realised what was going on. At the end of the document the function of continue is to do nothing and so point out to you that you're at the end. Ray Dawson; >>Moving pages of text around to re-order articles invariably 'crashes' the >>text >No, may be not. On re-reading your message it sounds like something >different. Once this has happened can you get anything back or do you have >to revert to a previous version? If you do get into this position, then probably all thats wrong is that the text is flowed wrongly. Moving a frame over it, or making a trivial change to Bodytext is usually enough to restore order. Alan.Gray; >One page (with its graphics in the heading) takes 28k. A Printfile of 10 of= > these takes 415k, and when =91printing to file', the machine laboriously g= >oes through 10 'print runs' via scrap. I hope this is a function of the printer driver. I think I tell the printer driver, "10 copies of this page please", and it can then instruct OPro to render it 10 times or to render it once (taking note itself that you want 10 copies). I believe OPro + TD's will function as IP + TD's. Tom Chubb; >If I try to embed it, I lose all the text that follows, along with the object I am >trying to embed! >I suspect the latter problem is a bug, but being able to 'stick' an object in >place would be very handy. Hmm. Beware the fact that an embedded object must be small enough to fit inside the frame in which the text it is embedded flows. A thing which one instantly wants to do is snap an embedded frame to the sides of the frame in which it's embedded and a non-zero text inset means that if you do, the frame won't fit. >I think I am right in assuming that it is not possible to anchor an object that >overlaps the edge of the underlying frame (as in the page set out in the >tutorial). Perhaps I am looking for too many bells and whistles? Well yes it's a feature for the future. David Pilling From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 24 19:26:32 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA33992 for david ; Mon, 24 Feb 97 19:26:30 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856773851:6:02375:47; Mon, 24 Feb 97 08:44:11 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id bu709200; 24 Feb 97 8:43 GMT From:(Colin Thompson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:06:24 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: A few niggles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970220.090624.24@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 19:04:57 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R whoever etc . . . > > > > > > > > > > 1 Following a full stop I leave a couple of spaces before typing the next > > > > > sentence. However, if there's a need to wordwrap to start the sentence on > > > > > the next line, the first character of the new line is a space. Hence the > > > > > paragraph is not completely flush on its left-hand side. > > > > > > > > I thought that '2 spaces after a stop' was a hangover from ordinary tying > > > > and should not normally be used with 'real' type? > > > > Ie, don't do it :-) Otherwise, write an applet. > > > > > > I find that slightly insulting. I don't care if there's a smiley there. I > > > use two spaces after a full stop because I find it aids the flow of the text. > > > A text word wraping system should be capable of ignoring any amount of white > > > space at the begining of a line. That way it caters far all preferences > > > w.r.t. the number of spaces after a full stop. > > > I am a professional author of over a dozen published books with more than 400,000 copies sold and I always leave a double space after full-stops. It has nothing to do with being old-fashioned or correct, it simply makes everything much easier to read. But my publishers - Random House and Hodder - both use single spaces though sometimes it looks as if they have used more than one but less than two. -- Colin Thompson colinet@ozemail.com.au From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 25 15:01:00 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34098 for david ; Tue, 25 Feb 97 15:00:58 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856861445:5:21571:47; Tue, 25 Feb 97 09:04:05 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id ah711504; 25 Feb 97 9:03 GMT From:(Jonathan Overett) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:33:03 +0000 Organization: Subject: More ways to crash To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970225.083303.09@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:54:25 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I seem to have found some new ways of making Ovation Pro crash - just my luck! When adding/deleting a page from some documents OP just freezes and I have to use Alt-Break, this only affects certain stylesheets. Also, very occasionally Ctrl-Tab brings up either Error 5 or some kind of error dump rather than the ruler bar. This in OP 2.42 Jonathan Overett From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 25 15:01:04 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34100 for david ; Tue, 25 Feb 97 15:01:02 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856861630:5:22530:47; Tue, 25 Feb 97 09:07:10 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id ai711504; 25 Feb 97 9:06 GMT From: waddell@which.net Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:33:19 +0000 Organization: Subject: New Documents To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970225.083319.32@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 01:28:30 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 For some unknown reason, when I now initiate a new document in OvationPro, usually by selecting on the icon bar, the new document window is titled Document2 when it is the only document window open. Is there a file that I amend to put things back to normal. Grateful for any assistance. -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 25 15:01:08 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34102 for david ; Tue, 25 Feb 97 15:01:06 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856861763:6:00624:48; Tue, 25 Feb 97 09:09:23 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id aj711504; 25 Feb 97 9:08 GMT From:(David Williams) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:33:34 +0000 Organization: Subject: Embedded Frames To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970225.083334.08@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Feb 97 20:30:22 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 If a text frame is embedded and then another frame is embedded (either picture or text) on the same line, the second frame is not displayed correctly and neither is it printed. Any ideas? -- _________________________________ Dave ...dwilliams@argonet.co.uk _________________________________ From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 25 15:01:13 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34104 for david ; Tue, 25 Feb 97 15:01:11 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856861889:5:23937:49; Tue, 25 Feb 97 09:11:29 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id ak711504; 25 Feb 97 9:11 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:49:12 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Embedded Frames To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970225.084912.72@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:46:12 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970225.083334.08@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > If a text frame is embedded and then another frame is embedded (either picture > or text) on the same line, the second frame is not displayed correctly and > neither is it printed. This was a bug and is now fixed. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 25 15:01:16 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34106 for david ; Tue, 25 Feb 97 15:01:15 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856861963:5:24397:53; Tue, 25 Feb 97 09:12:43 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id al711504; 25 Feb 97 9:12 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:49:27 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Button bar scrolling, or not. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970225.084927.19@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:47:16 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970225.083348.02@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I have never got the button bar to scroll at 100% zoom. > When using 100% zoom I have buttons off screen and cannot get to them, any > ideas anybody? > This sounds to me like some sort of clash between Ovation Pro and something else. Can you do a shift-boot and see if anything in your boot sequence is interfering? -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 25 15:01:24 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34108 for david ; Tue, 25 Feb 97 15:01:20 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856862026:5:24844:49; Tue, 25 Feb 97 09:13:46 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id as711504; 25 Feb 97 9:13 GMT From:(Cliff Downs) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:33:48 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Button bar scrolling, or not. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970225.083348.02@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 14:00:54 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 18 Feb 97 (09:48:44 +0000), pnyoung@argonet.co.uk wrote: >I have mentioned this to Beebug, who say that they can't reproduce it, >and I wonder if anyone else has the same trouble. > >Particularly when using 100% zoom, the button bar won't always scroll. >Sometimes it will if you "nudge" it several times, but not always then. > >I am using a Risc OC 610 with Risc OS 3.6; the Strong ARM still awaits >me to find time to do the upgrade. I have never got the button bar to scroll at 100% zoom. When using 100% zoom I have buttons off screen and cannot get to them, any ideas anybody? -- Clifford Downs From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 25 15:01:31 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34110 for david ; Tue, 25 Feb 97 15:01:28 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856862031:5:24844:118; Tue, 25 Feb 97 09:13:51 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id at711504; 25 Feb 97 9:13 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:48:43 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: More ways to crash To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970225.084843.18@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:37:08 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970225.083303.09@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I seem to have found some new ways of making Ovation Pro crash - just my > luck! When adding/deleting a page from some documents OP just freezes and > I have to use Alt-Break, this only affects certain stylesheets. As always an example would be useful, do I sound like a broken record? Also, very > occasionally Ctrl-Tab brings up either Error 5 or some kind of error dump > rather than the ruler bar. This in OP 2.42 Are there any common factors, same type of document perhaps that might point us in the right direction. The randomness of crashes like this make them very difficult to pin down. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Feb 25 15:01:41 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34111 for david ; Tue, 25 Feb 97 15:01:37 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 856862041:5:24918:56; Tue, 25 Feb 97 09:14:01 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-7.mail.demon.net id au711504; 25 Feb 97 9:13 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:48:57 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: New Documents To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970225.084857.86@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:42:59 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970225.083319.32@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > For some unknown reason, when I now initiate a new document in > OvationPro, usually by selecting on the icon bar, the new > document window is titled Document2 when it is the only document > window open. It is because you saved a default document. > Is there a file that I amend to put things back to normal. Well you can just delete the Default document that lives in !OvnPro.!OvnResDir it is called Default strangely enough. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd